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I think that you should be able to store time. Atium-Electrum allows you to store youth, but thats not what I'm going for here. When storing time, you would essentially be your own cadmium bubble. Then you could tap it to be your own bendalloy bubble. I think the pure form of Atium or another alloy of Atium would make this possible. A time compounder would be able to store incredible amounts of time and would make storing other attributes much more efficient. Now they can not only compound the attributes that they store but they can further compress the time needed to store those attributes.

Honor himself leaked the secret that Surgebinding had destroyed Ashyn. The most powerful being that they know of, that they worship and respect, told them in no uncertain terms that what they are doing destroyed an entire planet. Which, subsequently, lead to the desolations. Honor did not include all of the details that we know that would make the destruction of Ashyn easier to move past. For one, Tanavast was out of his brain piece, and was not presenting the situation clearly. Yes, Surgebinding did destroy Ashyn. However, Honor himself placed restrictions on surgebinding to prevent that, as well as Ishar structuring the Radiant ideals to prevent another incident of that scale. In addition to the restrictions, I dont think Honor told them that a Dawnshard was involved, and if he did, they would not know the significance. It was a specific set of circumstances that lead to Ashyn being destroyed, circumstances that are hard to reproduce. Honor did not tell them all of that, and so its logical to conclude that Radiants should break their oaths. Applicable meme: Radiants when they learn about Ashyn

I dont think that is a crazy theory. I would be surprised to see the Stormfather make it to the end of Stormlight unharmed.

I hear you, and this is a decent theory. I have one question for you though - if Taravangian is heading towards picking up Honor as well, who is the bad guy for Stormlight 5 and 6 - 10? From the end of ROW it seems clear to me that he is going to continue Rayse's plans of controlling the entire cosmere (but with his own twist). A plan he knows he wont be able to stick to if he absorbs another shard (due to Intent corruption) or leaves any alive / available for a new vessel.

Why not? I imagine he discovered anti-light after coming to Roshar, could very well be that he learned this after losing / parting from Nightblood. Do you think this is a possibility? It would be impossible to create enough anti-light to completely destroy the sword, but perhaps a targeted application could kill the Awakening, while leaving a super invested sword. Similar to how Nightblood killed Rayse but did not effect the Shard Odium.

Very interesting point I hadn't considered. Just thinking out loud here, but it doesn't say that Vasher taught Gavilar how to do it. He just gave him a small sphere. As far as why he would create it at all, your point about Nightblood lead me down a different path. We know, for certain, that Nightblood is utilizing investiture, not anti-investiture. Perhaps Vasher is creating anti-light in hopes of killing Nightblood? I cant think of much else beyond a shard that could effect him. If presented with an anti light sphere, I imagine he would slurp it up as readily as anything else.

Whats interesting about that is he doesn't seem to be trying to get him back. I think there is a wob that he is looking for Nightblood, but that does not seem to be a priority. It really feels like Vasher just tossed Nightblood when he got to Roshar and said 'Dad needs to do some work, go make new friends'

Helping Gavilar seems to line up with the motivations we have been given for him. We know a big reason for his coming to Roshar was an easier source of Investiture and he would need to spend some time after first arriving figuring out how to manipulate Light in a way that he can use it. It makes total sense to me that he would find a King to provide the resources he would need to test his theories and devise a way to manipulate the Lights. Im assuming he did it the same way navani did - with tones - but this has me curious if he needs to do something similar to Stormlight to subsist off of it. Perhaps the tone of Endowment? If so, is he creating breaths, or the breath equivalent of stormlight? (is he creating a static version of investiture like breath or a kinetic version like stormlight, probably the wrong technical term but I think you all will get the gist) I was under the impression he was using Stormlight directly to fuel his existence by making changes to his own perception, but this may imply that he has to manipulate the Light first. Very interesting all around. I wonder if his absence in ROW has anything to do with the Gavilar connection It definitely made Stormfaker harder to accept, I think. Only for the reasons that I can't conceive of who this could logically be, and well if it quacks like a duck.... Some things still seem off about this. Stormfather was not asking Dalinar to be Honor's champion in the beginning. He was simply showing him the visions because Honor told him to. I seem to remember that it was the Stormfather's idea to propose the contest of champions, though, so that does seem consistent with his goals albeit very deceitful to Dalinar. It also seems wrong for the Stormfather to feel such pain every time a Herald dies. Are we to believe that all throughout the desolations, Stormfather was crippled by pain every time a Herald died? That doesn't seem right. I suppose it could be the Tanavast connection causing that pain, but it also doesn't make sense to me that Honor himself would be hurt everytime a Herald dies, something he expected them to do repeatedly.

On the contrary I think the fact that he called him Vasher proves it is really him. He has been going by Zahel to anyone on Roshar, we haven't heard Vasher mentioned by anyone but Nightblood.

Just finished the prologue re-release. SPOILERS FOR PRE RELEASED CONTENT BELOW A lot of thoughts. First and foremost - Vasher is helping Gavilar! Woah! Did not expect that. Secondly - I don't know where I stand on if this is Stormfaker or Stormfather. Im leaning Stormfaker at this point because it doesn't make sense to me that the Stormfather would feel such pain every time a Herald dies. From the storm in their eyes and the blue light, I think its safe to assume that it is someone of Honor, which leads me back to Ishar. I think he was the one in control of these visions if its not the real Stormfather.

I think you would only need to blank your Identity by filling an aluminum mind fully. Then, any Connection you store should be blank, as there is no Identity attached to it. Though there are probably other hacks you'd have to do.

I'm not sure how that works but that is what we are told. (im at work, cant find the source) Personally, I think that this is just something that Honor specifically can do. We have seen that each shard seems to have their own quirk. Endowment made life on her own while Pres / Ruin needed to work together. Pres can hear the thoughts of all men, Odium seems especially good at Shattering other shards, etc. (some of that may just be circumstantial) Honor is the shard of oaths AND of binding - so to me it makes sense that Honor would be able to Spiritually lash Odium to Braize. Im sure that is not the technical term, but I think this is (partly) why the Fused called Adhesion the surge of Honor.

I imagine this was what the device Kelsier stole from the Ire was doing. It was pure blanked Connection that when accessed Connects you to whatever is local - in Kelsier's case Preservation - allowing him to briefly Ascend.

The Oathpact was between Honor and the Heralds. Odium / Fused were not involved. They were effected, but did not consent to the Oathpact. Im not sure how Honor bound Odium with an oath Odium didnt swear, but that is what happened.

Can you link me to this? I read the previews and don't remember this being mentioned.

The below is what I mean by wasted. MB spoilers: What do you mean change to use the full potential of human under Odium control? I dont think I know what you're referencing. Killing pursuer and tricking Hoid are things that Rayse COULD have done (even if he never would have chose to).

Not to hijack this thread, but do we think T 'wasted' his Ascension? Or do we think he changed things and we just havent been told yet?

Agreed - I think this is the answer. Just look at the Stormfather. Through his bond with Dalinar he has grown considerably from the spren we first met. I found the Stormfather to be annoying in the beginning as well. He clearly is holding back knowledge and power that he only gives because he feels like he has to. Whereas towards the end of OB and ROW he seems to be fully engaging with Dalinar.

I would agree this is reasonable. So if im understanding you correctly, Sigzil is very, very close to running out of planets. Especially considering that the Night Brigade is getting faster and faster at finding the planet he is on. He is only a couple of years away from needing to confront them or risk going back somewhere he has been before. Thanks @alder24!

Hi All, I was thinking about Sunlit Man and I realized something. The cosmere is not that big, astronomically speaking. Sigzil has been skipping every couple of days for about a hundred years. There cant be that many habitable, investiture readily available planets in the cosmere. We have this wob: which makes me think saying 100 years is a safe bet. Coppermind says: So at most there are 100 stars. If we assume 1 habitable planet average for those stars, which I feel is extremely generous, we get 100 planets available for Sigzil to evade the Night Brigade. I will also assume an average duration on a planet at 7 days, which I also feel is extremely generous considering his timeline in this book 100 years * 365 days = 36,500 days 36,500 days / 7 days to get investiture and leave = 5200 planets. Even if we say that he has been chased for 20 years (is that a long time?) We get 20 years * 365 days = 7,300 days 7,300 days / 7 days to get investiture and leave = 1,042 planets. But there should be at most 100 habitable planets in the cosmere. So is sigzil going back to the same planets sometimes? Or are one of my assumptions way off? If sigzil is going to the same planets over and over again, why hasn't the night brigade staged people at the 100 planets? Shouldn't he have gone to Roshar several times in the cycle? Shouldn't he have been to every planet? It must have taken the Night Brigade a long time to find him in the past and only recently got spaceships. Any idea whats going on here?

I mean theoretically there could be any number of Types of awakened things. Heres what we have currently: BioChromatic Entities: Type 1-- Returned (Human soul (or copy of soul) stapled back to body with investiture) Type 2-- Lifeless (Human/Animal body reanimated with investiture, but no soul) Type 3-- Awakened organics (ordinary awakening) Type 4--Awakened inorganics (nightblood) I imagined a Type 5 entity would be a cross between a returned and Nightblood. An artificially created Returned. That is, a Lifeless with full sentience, autonomy, and freedom. Returned were created directly by Endowment so that doesn't really count for this in my book. There should absolutely be a way to create an artificial person using awakening. Nightbloods main problem purely in terms of his mind is that he is a sword. His perception will always be limited by being a sword. It may be related but he also is terrible at telling time. My whole thought experiment with awakening the organs individually to create a Cosmere Frankenstein was trying to figure out a way that this could be done (hypothetical Type 5). It should be possible to perform a Nightblood level of awakening on organic material such as cloth or wood (Type 6). This would be distinct from regular awakening because it would have its own sentient mind like Nightblood and would be distinct from Type 4 because it uses organic material. Not to derail the topic but there should theoretically be a lot of other types as well. Shouldn't it be possible to awaken just breaths with no object? Basically an artificial Nalthian spren (Type 7). This is crackpot theory time but I imagine awakening something that is dead but used to be magical would be something different. For instance, an aviar dies, and you awaken it like a lifeless or Nightblood. Would we expect any spiritual mumbo jumbo to cause some interesting effects here?

I love this theory! I agree. The fact that Mraize calls her little knife from their first meeting tells me that he knew her before and she is repressing the memory. We know for sure that we haven't gotten the full story on her Mothers death and I think Shallan as a baby Ghostblood makes a lot of sense to fill in some of those gaps.

I have been envisioning something like this: There is a murder. A suspect is brought before a Truthwatcher. With the suspects consent, the Truthwatcher is able to Connect to them and create a Lightweaving of that persons perception of the event - revealing the truth. Like watching their memory. Or a Truthwatcher could come upon someone recently murdered, Connect to them, and see how they were killed through their eyes.

Ok I agree with all that has been said, but im looking for something different. My thinking with awakening the organs individually was to prevent the Lifeless and Nightblood condition. Only responds to commands, has very little in terms of actual sentience. Nightblood is fully sentient but has issues understanding more complex topics, has a terrible sense of time and scale, needs to consume investiture constantly.... I know this is extremely inefficient but I think more specifically im asking if, with insane amounts of breath, you could create a type 5 entity (i know this is possible, more about the shape that takes). A creature who is as sentient (or more) than a human and functions biologically through awakening, instead of the awakening wrapped around a body that is not functional. I have a suspicion that part of the reason Nightblood consumes and corrupts investiture is to strip the Identity from what he eats since he has no Identity of his own. I dont know why I think you could avoid that by making the body function biologically, but that was the thought. By using as close to a working human as possible, you could make something that doesnt have those drawbacks. This has also raised a side question. With enough breath, could someone break Nightbloods command? Another side question: can a fused take over a Singer Lifeless? I imagine they would be invested enough to overcome 1 breath, but im not sure if thats the only consideration. Maybe if the Singer Lifeless no longer viewed itself as Singer the fused would be unable to. Hmmm.