I didn't say they were the same. As my first paragraph says, I didn't count slave form. Slave form is nothing, simple Parshmen. I was speaking of the original Parshendi form, the first "thinking Parshmen" (although I've no idea how they became bound with whatever spren in the first place). This is what the excerpt says, "There were two other forms, though the first, dull form, was rarely used. It was not a keen minded form. It was a relic of the past, before they'd rediscovered something better". Sounds like, to me at least, that the first Parshendi were of dull form, who then managed to discover some of the other more useful forms, so dull form has now been mostly abandoned. Does that make sense to you?