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Vivenna had around 600 during the events of Warbreaker, (SA Spoiler) Vasher had at least 50,000 at the time of the Manywar. During the events of Warbreaker, he fluctuates, but is at a rather low number of Breaths. Although he has the ability to jump up to the Fifth Heightening by stopping his suppression of his Divine Breath. Vivenna was at Third I thought, she has really good life sense, but I don't remember her being 4th during the time of Warbreaker. Technically he had 50 and a Divine Breath. Though he was suppressing his Divine Breath.

I am mostly posting here to see thoughts on this, as I have been bothered by this for a while. I have been trying to find some sort of order in the levels of Heightening, or at least find an approximate formula to see if it follows any noticeable formula or such. Well checking the next numbers in the sequence after 10th using this https://alteredqualia.com/visualization/hn/sequence/, I have gotten 11th: 306,950 12th: 18,453,000 13th: 8,249,650 Showing that while this method works for 11th and 12th, it does not work at 13th and undergoes a massive drop. Which does not work with how Breaths and Heightening function. So we have to go another way. Well, knowing that the 8th has very, very little experimental data, and the data on it is likely wrong, we can look into it and say 8th: 7750 9th: 18750 10th: 56600 This, while not exact with the graph, does actually fit together with it all quite nicely. This also works with how the other levels are far more studied, so the approximations in the list are likely far more accurate. Though I know Heightening is basically just a made-up scale by people to give an estimation of when certain powers reach their peak, and does not actually exist, and furthermore, the values on the table are approximations. I just like doing math for fun. Additionally, just some math I did based on various factors, Susebron has at least 50,000 Breaths, in addition, he is given two to three Breaths a week from every God King over the course of 327 Years, likely numbering at 71,606 at the time of his ascension, and 75,428 by his marriage to Sisirinah. The formula would be 50000+78y, with y being the number of years. This assumes an average increase of 1.5 Breaths a day. Which is the average of gaining 1 or 2 breaths, as he uses one per week, thus to given two to three, means to increase by one or two.

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Why was I summoned here? I don't exactly mind, but not sure what this is or why I am relevant to it.

Oh, I know. It was basically disproven as far back as Way of Kings, yeah. I never bought into the spaceship theory.

I experience it, and I can say that it is a very good and accurate portrayal. I do have conversations with my headmates. It is a real thing. I really love Shallan as I relate with her DID, and feel it is a really good portrayal of it, something I very rarely see in media. And I find comfort in it. Also, with Mraize, he likely is gonna come back and try to kill Shallan for betraying the Ghostbloods, I saw it as a matter of like, we didn't get the time to see them come out and merc off Shallan for her betrayal. So didn't see it as them getting "bamboozled so easily", but rather just betrayed and about to come out to strike.

I mean, Shallan and Friends told him that they were sent by the Ghostbloods to kill him iirc. So he knew that they knew where he was and wanted him dead.

Second, Eshonai was the first. She just didn't get nearly as far as Venli. But did have a bond iirc.

It isn't in any current plans. But people have theorized it is a spaceship for a while, Brandon shot down any such theories though. Not even RAFO, just, no.

Brandon has said that we will get a lot more on Trell in Lost Metal. Also said Whimsy is gonna get a name drop, so get a bit more on Whimsy too I hope.

It still shows issues that could arise later with other things Todium could do. But this current thing is less something majour, and more a display of what he could possibly do later.

Yeah, we know for sure that SA will end centuries before the end of the Cosmere. The main outline currently is this: Though others might be added. So the end of Era 2 is most definitely not the climax to the Cosmere. Also, yeah, I think your theory might be a stretch in reasoning.

As said before, Shards have far larger and further reaching minds than humans, and are aware of stuff around the universe. Harmony is the most powerful Shard (albeit limited by his opposing essences), and also represents something Odium fears, Shards combining. Furthermore, Mistborn Era 1 takes place before Stormlight, around 330 Years before (300 Rosharan Years). Era 2 of Mistborn takes place in the 10-15 Rosharan Year gap (11-16 Scadrian Year) between Stormlight Era 1 and Stormlight Era 2. So the Catacendre happened centuries before the events of SA.

I do really hope that we get the hardcover of Emperor's Soul. I love the mini-hardcovers.

I don't think Frenzy + Dominion is Chaos. Chaos implies a lack of rule, but adding Dominion should give something more organized. Maybe Tyranny or Madness.

Kelsier doesn't seem to like helping people. As all the times he actively helped people he purposely made people see him as a divine figure and form religions around himself. And he canonically only cared about taking down the Lord Ruler and the nobility out of revenge, hatred, and egotism; not altruism. So yeah, he doesn't really like helping people unless he gets something out of it. Oftentimes worship. Also, Wit didn't say to take care of Scadrial first, he was just told to keep to his own planet period. Not saying you are entirely wrong, but that various points brought up are incorrect.

Gonna go far more in depth... Well, I put Sja-Anat to Edgedancers due to a connection with the idea of Healing in a manner that many would disagree with being Healing. And a loving of her children. It seems to connect well with the Traits of Vedel. But it could also be Transformation, I don't see how Sja-Anat would fit with either Wise or Careful. Fits more with a corruption of Loving and Healing. Along with this, the elements connected to Edgedancers are Quartz, glass, crystal, and Sja-Anat shows herself through reflections, that is to say, reflected light. The Body Focus of Edgedancers is the Eyes, and she takes the form of a jet black shadow that points the wrong way with white holes for eyes. She requires reflected light to be seen, which fits with Lucentia, Latin for Light (is a form of Lucens), which can also mean "Showing through; becoming visible", and Tumi did say like "Thank you for granting me eyes", which is like saying that something was made visible to them. It also fits with her defining her transformation as "Enlightening", which has a double meaning of "To supply with Light" and "To make something clear to (someone); to give knowledge or understanding to", which Lucentia would fit with both the literal and metaphorical usages. Glys, when corrupted, took the form of a crystal .And corrupted Shamespren also take on a form like one of the Essence, resemble pieces of broken glass instead of petals. It all fits with Edgedancers. Along with this, it seems that Sja-Anat was attracted to Ashertmarn, as they both appeared in Kholinar, and Edgedancers also show a connection to Stonewards. Furthermore, Edgedancers have a connection with Truthwatchers, Moeloch, and it is apparently quite easy for Sja-Anat to convince Mistspren to side with her and be changed. She seems to have an especially close correlation with them compared to other Spren. Might be displayed in the connection on the chart. ------------------------------- Nergaoul Is Dustbringers, sealed in Ruby. It is like an incorporeal gas, which seems to be like a soul. And it sparks a fire inside of them. Making them be filled with a great bloodlust and sense of bravery, corrupted in that it is less like being brave and going against fear, and is more like a complete lack of fear. In a sense, it breaks down ones sentience (Division) and drives them to an animalistic battle rage. Shows countless people breaking eachother, and dividing eachother into smaller and small bits through violence. And encouraging others to break down and do the same to others. This seems connected to a corruption of Division, breaking things down, both minds and bodies. ------------------------------- Moeloch is connected with forcing a "gift" upon those that don't desire it (Giving) and give them knowledge of the future without the context to understand it (Learned). Along with that, corrupted Mistspren see the future in a manner similar to Moeloch, it even is forced upon them just like with Moeloch. ------------------------------- Re-shephir fears Lightweavers, it only serves to imitate other things (Creative and Honest). She also seems attracted to the spilling of blood (and the focus of Shash is Blood). This one we basically know for sure. Re-Shephir also hid in Urithuru, the Sibling, and according to one theory I found: The three Bondsmith Spren connect to three different orders, Skyfather to Windrunners, Truthwatchers to Nightwatcher, and Sibling to Stonewards. Which all connect in the chart to Bondsmiths. The Sibling basically is Urithiru, therefore, it would show a connection between the attributes of Re-Shephir and the Sibling. Which could show why she choose to hide in Urithiru. ------------------------------- Yelig-nar also is undoubtedly Willshapers, it was connected to Amethyst. Just like how Nergaoul is connected with Ruby. Don't fully see the way it connects to all of the other parts, but it is definitely connected to Amethyst. And by granting Surges makes one more resolute, building them up to become stronger, but also breaking down their body through transforming them into amethyst. Willshapers also connect to Dustbringers, and both Yelig-nar and Nargoul appeared at the Battle of Thaylen Field. This connection, mixed with the connection between Ashertmarn and Sja-Anat, and lesser so Re-Shephir and Sibling, shows that the connections can mean some form of attraction or thematic connection, even to just those associated with it. Especially so in showing that Unmade are often seen alongside an Unmade associated with a Order connected to them in the chart. ------------------------------- Ashertmarn is Stonewards, it makes one become useless through becoming obsessed with mindless indulgence. This leaves one not dependable, as they become just indulgent; and furthermore, indulgence is the opposite of being resourceful. It can connect with the surges in how it makes people weak and movable like puddy, making them less resolute and determined, weakening their minds and determination. Much like what Tension and Cohesion do to physical matter. More weak, Talus is the bone in the foot which touches the ground (as some flesh and such between them, but meh, let me have this) and Ashertmarn has veins and arteries which connect right into the ground. Kinda like a Talus. (As I said, this is vague and tenuous) Along with this, it seems that Sja-Anat was attracted to Ashertmarn, as they both appeared in Kholinar, and Edgedancers also show a connection to Stonewards. --------------------------------- Chemoarish connects with Skybreakers due to the fact that the countersurge of Skybreakers is Division, breaking things down into Dust. People don't exactly know what she is, it brings about a lot of confusion and lack of confidence, and Confidence is the aspect of Skybreakers. People also unjustly conflated her with the Nightwatcher, despite the accusations being false. Corruption of Just. We can't get much more as we only really know about her from epigraphs and like, one interlude mentioning her. (Way of Kings, I-4) --------------------------------- This likely leaves Dai-Gonarthis with Elsecallers, it is associated with the Scouring of Aimia, an accident (Not Careful) and also, the true Scouring probably came due to a lack of Wisdom, and furthermore, people question whether or not they are actual an Unmade or not (further lack of wisdom surrounding it). Also, weak, but if you look, the Scouring is most likely associated with the Dawnshard of Change, and Elsecallers are associated with Transformation (that is to say, Change). It also would show a connection with Dai-Gonarthis (Elsecallers) and Chemoarish (Skybreakers) which are both the Unmade that have a great air of mystery and ignorance around them. ---------------------------------- This means Ba-Ado-Mishram is connected to Windrunners, as we know she isn't connected to Bondsmiths. She seems to have been the Leader to the Fused (Leading), but also seems that she forced it on them, and in a sense, made them too dependent on her so that those connected to her her gravely effected when she was sealed away (corruption of Protecting). Windrunners also have a close connection of Adhesion, which is the Surge of Connection, basically. So Ba-Ado-Mishram would be the Unmade of Adhesion. Further showing the idea of connections, Ba-Ado-Mishram would connect to Re-Shephir and Sja-Anat. And we know that Re-Shiphir was attracted to Sibling, and the Sibling was deeply affected by the sealing away of Mishram. Likely displaying some form of association there. Connection to Sja-Anat, well, both do display the ability to effect Spren or such Spiritually, able to cause massive changes to them in varying methods.

I know, it adsorbs Investiture, and has did so over around 400 Years by the time of SA, so yeah, it ate a lot of Investiture. And added a stupid amount of added Investiture in RoW from the Perpendicularity and eating a lot when used to attack a bloody Shard.

Nightblood was made with 1000 Breaths, but it currently holds far, far, FAR more Investiture than that. Enough so that it literally cannot hold all of it in itself and leaks out. But yes, it was created with 1000 Breaths.

I find it doubtful he would be able to reach outside of the Rosharan system to that degree.

Yeah, he is fine. Just got some of his short-term memories erased and lost his Heightening. Nothing majour, But still showed what subtle things he is capable of doing with Taravangian's intellect and subtlety.

This is not likely the case. There is a lot leaning towards it being Autonomy. But I will list the reasons it likely isn't Odium or Dalinar first. 1: Trell was already encroaching on Scadrial during the events of SA 2: Harmony knows about Odium, but does not recognize what Shard Trell is/is associated with 3: We have seen Trellium and Raysium, and they are not described the same way, "Raysium is a bright golden metal, so light it is almost white", whilst "Trellium is a silvery metal with a red cast to it, and dark red spots similar to rust." Now for why it is likely Autonomy: From Coppermind, and I personally agree with this theory.

Updated List ???: Vasher and Shashara go to Roshar and see Shardblades, getting inspiration for Nightblood 793: Nightblood Created 1070: Pahn Khal Rebellion 1070-???: Vasher, Nightblood, and Vivennia travel together (Ends before 1121) ???: Vasher arrives on Roshar with Nightblood (Likely Before 1163) ???: The two have a "falling out" and separate ???: Nightblood winds up in the Nightwatcher's Possession 1168.05.02.05: Nightblood offered to Dalinar ???: Nale gets Nightblood ???: Nightblood passes through Lasting Integrity (A few years before 1174) 1173.02.03.03: Vivenna arrives on Roshar looking for Nightblood 1173.10.10.03: Nightblood given to Szeth 1174.01.01.05: Nightblood carried through Yeddaw ???: Nightblood carried near the Purelake 1174.02.07.05: Nightblood's power revealed at Battle of Thaylen Field ???: Nightblood brought to the Battle at Emul 1175.04.10.05: Nightblood used to kill Rayse

My current timeline for Nightblood is 793: Nightblood Created 1070: Pahn Khal Rebellion 1070-???: Vasher, Nightblood, and Vivennia travel together (Ends before 1121) ???: Vasher arrives on Roshar with Nightblood ???: The two have a "falling out" and separate ???: Nightblood winds up in the Nightwatcher's Possession 1168.05.02.05: Nightblood offered to Dalinar ???: Nale gets Nightblood ???: Nightblood passes through Lasting Integrity 1173.02.03.03: Vivenna arrives on Roshar looking for Nightblood 1173.10.10.03: Nightblood given to Szeth 1174.01.01.05: Nightblood carried through Yeddaw 1175.04.10.05: Nightblood used to kill Rayse The 793 is based on an assumption of 4-5 Generations between Warbreaker and WoK. Which we know is a gap of a few generations. And guessing Nalthian years are equal to Earth Years. The rest is based on various statements and events, and on this calander: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zq5bJoKE83ggDCjH43i1hZi0CIpB2iAx7v37zQPVFK0/edit#gid=856252766 We know that it was possessed by Nale at some point between 1168.05.02.05 and 1173.10.10.03, though if the Interview happened after the events of Edgedancer, and even moreso after Oathbringer, which they did, he would be unlikely to help. I am not entirely sure Vivennia or Vasher are known to be wielders. But if they were, they could likely be interviewed. We know that Vasher was not present at Urithiru during the occupation, he could have been busy being interviewed/interrogated over it. He would also have the deepest knowledge of how it works.