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Ah, so v!steel - 2e in Mat/Drake/Ash/Archer 2e in Mat/Drake/Ash/Biplet (+ Wiz/Aman) meaning at least 1 e in Mat/Drake/Ash edit - wait no opposite of se player is e!steel...

you read your sacred numbers upside down, i was 999, not 666 :P. also all the removed villagers, beware the parity hammer this cycle and be ready to use your final vote if that happens at eod.

i think e!jnv accurately said mat is village. and jnv-archer fits well because archer is the only pmer who confirmed it was possible to get alignment scans. no one else did.

lmao i called drake shooting me to kas last night. suppose I could have blocked him but eh, yall would have cried wolf for blocking the kill. i blocked ash last night and it gave the same result as n1 and n2. i roleblocked ashbringer. i think y'all need to turn your attention to jnv. I'm still sus of his scan on mat.

no my n1,n2 gm responses were distinguishably different from the n4 response. n1 - you roleblocked silhouette n2 - they kinda forgot to give the result so i had to prompt "mat was roleblocked?" and they confirmed that mat was roleblocked. n3 - action failed n4 - you attempted to roleblock sart me - ....and? what happened? you attempted to roleblock sart me - ?? also archer saw me visit mat n2 smh. edit: @Ashbringer, what exactly is the double exe ability? did you cause the double exe or was it steel who had an ability similar to yours?

bro i might have been confused but im definitely not wrong this time when i say i did not scan mat :P. that was jnv :P.

smh im so confused, i thought it was the other way around.

broski, we both were in steels tie guy. we were asked to sit out of orloks tie guy remember?

orlok, if youre village then you know there are 2 elims in your tie guy. irrespective of the possibility of e!steel giving false number of redscans to us (i actually do this is an e/e train rn), the 2 elims on the orlok tie guy (v!orlok world) are the either likely to be the ones forced to be on it by the virtue of being on the previous tie guy (ash, mat, and... drake?) or the ones who tried to break the tie in the closing stages and inadvertently ended up on the tie due to missing orlok vote and vote manip shenanigans. poe for this is i need to go back and check but its 2:30am and I just finished up with my work >> so @Orlok Tsubodai, id recommend your scan poe to be [ash, mat, drake] + [lads-doing-tie-breaking-shenanigans-only-to-shoot-themselves-in-the-foot (tba)]

ah no, i rbd sart, sart rbd someone else (like now it could be fadran). sart won the toss. not quite. troll and rb are on same ooa. so if I win the toss, i block your troll. if you win... well you basically enable your troll to go through xD edit: I'm confused let me clarify

our actions didn't fail, we attempted to do our actions. my theory is that we both lost coin tosses against his rb.

ah screw it sart steel @DrakeMarshall, my case against sart isn't just the last minute vote shenanigans (though the motive for that seems to be either to break the tie or to not be involved in one as they unvoted bip as soon as you voted for her) or the fact the he hasn't claimed. its because it's all of the above plus I think hes the e!roleblocker evidenced by the fact that both me and amans action on him was just an attempt.

bah why did i just realize this, ofc he has to be the only one known to have two night actions smh -.-

so let me see if there is a possiblity of evil troll in the first place - Player Day/Passive Action Night Action Ashbringer Thread Master/ Veteran - Wizard - PM Spider Steeldancer Pinch-Hitter Fadran Confirmed Villager Troll Striker Lynchbait/Stab Voter - Xino Multiquoter JNV PM Spider Matrim Tunnel Constrictor - Biplet Meme Maker Araris Porch-Sitter Meme Maker Devotary Pinch-Hitter Aman Goalkeeper Troll TUN Goalkeeper Bookwyrm Vote Analyst Tani Roleplayer Archer PM Spider Walin Troll TJ Veteran Wall-Poster Danex Tie Guy Stick/Drake Terminal Seeker Orlok Pinch-Hitter Random Roleplayer Sart Shining Discussion Leader - Fae PM Buddy PM Spider choices are either e!sart is troll (then who is rb??) or e!fadran is lying about his troll failing (not sure, dont think so) or mat actually having a night troll role (again, think its unlikely because we would have probably seen more troll victims?). if we consider these conditions unlikely, then randby was not trolled and her results were accurate. steeldancer sart also - pmers @Archer, @JNV, @The last Fae in the Woods, @The Wandering Wizard yall should have received some info in n4 no? even nights? well?

i said the same thing to kas xD but see, first order of business is to prolong parity for as long as possible and we know there are 2 non "confirmed villager" elims in that tie guy pile so we good. aman, your troll was success? no one else seems to be blocked. and if your troll converted sarts block to block immunity, then it would make sense how my roleblock was just an attempt.

no i think he is the elim rber. i asked yesterday after ash asked me. rb1 blocks rb2. rb2 blocks random1. then there is a cointoss as both rb1 and rb2 are blocking. if rb2 wins the toss, their rb goes through. they block random1 successfully. rb1 block on rb2 does not happen. im assuming this happened with rb1 being me and rb2 being sart.

okay hmm. I got a different type of result today. n1, n2 - you roleblocked x n3 - your action failed n4 - you attempted to roleblock sart i asked for clarification and fifth just repeated that i attempted to roleblock sart. i reckon i lost a coin toss against another rber. edit: hey why haven't we had an rper copy sarts role?

for the record, relating to jnv, i strongly stronglyyy suspect the pm role even night scan does not give the result of alignment scans. targets scans, inverse target scans, role scans. sure. but not alignment scans. there are like 4 pm spiders. the thought of possibly getting 4 alignment scans in a single night in heavily unbalanced.

i asked this for roleblocks v trolls as kas said both are on same ooa. i just assumed it was the same for roleblocks v roleblocks too. ill confirm.

ah yes but we dont know about the presence of a night role. basically means we dont have the proof if you have a night role or not. though i did block you n1. and yeah a point to matrim as well because i blocked him n2 and it was successful so mat could not have blocked aman.

Player Day/Passive Action Night Action Ashbringer Thread Master/ Veteran - Proved (2 roles) Wizard - PM Spider Proved (via PMs) Steeldancer Pinch-Hitter Proved (multiple steals) Fadran Confirmed Villager Troll Proved (D1 immunity) Striker Lynchbait/Stab Voter - N/A Xino Multiquoter N/A JNV PM Spider Proved? Matrim Tunnel Constrictor - Unproved Biplet Meme Maker Unproved by action but proven to know the correct role name (D2 only reported action) Araris Porch-Sitter Meme Maker Proved Devotary Pinch-Hitter N/A Aman Goalkeeper Troll Proved TUN Goalkeeper N/A Bookwyrm Vote Analyst N/A Tani Roleplayer N/A Archer PM Spider Proved? Walin Troll N/A TJ Veteran Wall-Poster Not exactly proved Danex Tie Guy N/A Stick/Drake Terminal Seeker Proved Orlok Pinch-Hitter Proved Random Roleplayer Proved Sart Unproved Shining Discussion Leader - Unproved Fae PM Buddy PM Spider Proved? need confirmed regarding jnv, archer and faes pming but yeah this is basically it.

maybe more likely than e!silho but not more than e!ash imo. and the again the foreshadowing, the set-up and the kill is extremely excessive to just get village read or for kills performed by a dead mate. and even if they did, they would choose a better available teammate instead of tani. i dont know any other player who is completely unavailable to log into shard on the weekends. so basically anyone else would be a better option was my thinking.

you shush, dont go down this route >> i remember during re-read there was proper chain of suspicion about tani from stick in d1. and no, doing it for village cred seems extremely excessive in a game with no flips given they are giving up on a kill (and iirc devo claimed ph right?). edit: also with tanis availability (not available on weekends), it really doesnt make sense for them to kill her in particular to submit kills

why did you get a cat video? you havent been removed hmmmm. ahh got it. but thats the way were supposed to solve the game though, through roles. plus the actions of rpers and phers are just last for one cycle. and the biggest part of all these are balanced by one signal mechanic. the troll. with the trolling mechanism scan because not so important and extra actions need to be used slash wasted to ensure the accuracy of scans. trolled actions could be detrimental to village itself. and then theres the "confirmed villager role". i still think its stacked against us. all our reads are off due to no flips which makes the protects and kills less effective. kills and protects are only as good as our targets and targets depend on our reads. edit - ninja'd

uhhh i didnt get you, sorry? i mean it is relevant to game balance yes, but it doesnt tilt the balance against elims as much as flipless does against village imo. and in addition, i think though dead players can still speak, they kinda do lose the motivation (or perhaps have less motivation than when alive) to actually solve the game as i think it has been observed so far.