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Last post of the night for me. After weighing the pros and cons in my head, I decided that since I don't think I'm a likely kill target after the way this turn has gone, and since I don't really think my role is good enough to warrant that kill, I'll just go ahead and claim it. I want to give people time to actually see it and even though I'm not leading the exe anymore I don't trust the votes or the possibility of manip. Prefacing this by saying I don't expect this to change anyone's mind. It would be welcome if it did, of course, but I'm much more resigned to my fate if I'm exed than I was earlier today. I'm happy with how the discussion turned out, and I think I came out better for it... plus, most of the reasons people have for voting me are ones I get which doesn't happen very often. I'm a Scientist (paraphrased title): When an Epic dies, I can harvest their cells and create a single-use item to pass to someone else. I can't use the items. Have fun
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Well, that's true Live and learn, and hopefully avoid dying, right? I'm not worried about anything to do with e!me. Go ahead and make connections, theorize my teammates, if I flip you won't need to worry about them either :P. I'm chill, remember :). No screaming from me Will say though that since Striker just came out of an elim game where he had a very different playstyle, this doesn't really track with me- I guess I can understand how he would thinking changing it up dramatically would be a diversion, though.
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Yeah! The community is pretty awesome is that we can seemingly be at each other's throats and still be friends Ok, I'm going to make an effort to do something other than defend myself, partly because of Kas' wake-up call (much appreciated) but also because I finally came back to a thread without something new to say. Maybe all I had to do was ask. But this isn't just appearing because someone noted its lacking, see my above post etc etc Tiered reads list, Kas style I suppose. That's probably ironic in some way. Also, I'm not doing the soy sauce fancy names . Caveat being that I didn't reread the entire thread making this list, I just went off of memory. If I get ninja'd writing this too bad xD Not putting this off anymore. Tiers are not ordered. Village: Slight Village: Null+ Null: Null-: Slight Elim: Elim: Obvious problem there being the low number of elim reads, but again, it's D1, so that's what I got. There's probably at least one in the Nulls, because that's how this works. I'm happy with leaving my vote where it is, but that doesn't mean I'll be happier self pressing somewhere else tomorrow :P. Hmm Kas ninja'd me. Replying to that... not now. Not even clicking to reveal the post. Nope. EDIT: Was kinda banking on someone posting in between the time it took me to respond to Kas, but that didn't happen so I'm just editing it in. Sorry everyone :P. This might as well be Germen or Spanish or Alethi or something xD Sure, I'm definitely not trying to make an argument from exhaustion. Still alive and very much kicking! Just an argument of time. I had school to do (both online courses and an in-person elective) and other stuff, y'know, life stuff. Not that I didn't spend a lot of time in the thread xD But I prioritized responding to everyone over doing my own solving. I don't know if you're saying that I was making an argument from exhaustion, though :P. I mean, I'm not even totally sure. I think the best answer I have is that it's a me thing and that I want to catch every shot, which I get how that isn't that helpful to you :P. About Ash not changing his mind- that's different, I think, because iirc Ash voted me before I had posted at all. I don't know if these ever actually existed I never suspected Dannnex, I voted him because "there was no reason not to" which was true, but also there wasn't really a reason to vote him. Standard D1 randomvote. See: My reads list above. Stick, probably Araris, maybe Szeth, none of the Nulls are terrible options. Fair warning, if it gets to minus an hour to rollover and I'm still in the lead, the answer to this question shifts to 'anyone not me' I'm good, don't overcommit because of me! The break I took was helpful, and I'm even more chill now. You can tell because my emoji and italics use has at least doubled :P. Sorry to say, it's absolutely not you :P. I mean, the same principle applies. If anyone gets enough votes, it wouldn't be that hard to convince me to join on them, and that will become more so the further the cycle gets with the votes staying similar. That's not the point of the question, and I once again direct you to my reads list that you ninja'd me making Role claim status has gone from "Will do it tonight" to "Possibly doing it tonight"
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Don't worry about it, it's how the game goes. You're activity has been great, which is appreciated! (Except for the people who haven't kept up. And possibly TJ. I'm sure he likes that his game is active but also)
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*Sighs* (Below is response to Kas, I'm chill, if my tone seems upset/annoyed just know that I'm chill ) Why'd I vote Dannnex? It was like an hour into C1. What more reason does an early C1 vote need :P. I don't see why I need to lol I saw Szeth's post, remembered he did that last elim game, and posted a sentence about it. That's it. I revisited it later when it became an issue but I didn't need to when I first thought of it. Like, the answer to your question is 'because I didn't' :P. I don't have answer for this. I don't want to die? It's my playstyle and personality? What do you expect me to say xD In this case I do think it's a positive change for me and will hopefully make me a better player. Thanks Because I was making a joke :P. I'm not a neutral, it was just me being all "I could say I'm village, would that help :lol:" What's the difference? That I'm not trying to solve, just trying to defend myself? You say this more, so more on this later. But. I don't like that accusation :(. Yeah, I get that. Ok. More further down- Ok. Trying to articulate myself, here goes... Your main problem is that in a very recent village game I was more active in trying to solve while also defending myself, as opposed to just the latter here. Which is true- I don't dispute that- and while I do agree that I probably should be doing a better job at that, I don't think this is a very fair accusation for this other reason (which is actually multiple points, but it boils down to-) The two game situations you present are vastly different. In the AG, I was not the runaway train, I was one of multiple options being discussed. The majority of this thread has been entirely focused on my alignment, whereas the AG had multiple candidates actually being discussed. I could focus on those other options while simultaneously defending myself, but doing the same in this game would require a lot more from me than it did there. Which isn't an excuse not to, but it is something. Another factor here is the kind of posts I'm responding to. Nothing against you or Aman at all, but it's significantly easier responding to the kind of pressure I was receiving in the AG than it is to respond to massive multiquote after massive multiquote It's entirely eaten up the time I'm spending on the game, and I don't really think it's fair for me to leave you hanging. I've mentioned multiple times that I wanted to make a reads list (still do) but I have not had the time to sit down and do that because every time I open the thread, there's something else for me to respond to. There's other things I could say, like the fact that D1 of the AG I still had basically no idea who anyone was which changed how I viewed the accusations on me and the solving I was trying to do, or that because it was an anonymous game I couldn't use meta to defend myself. That actually is a key thing, I think. Huh. I've spent a lot of time, as has been noted, on comparing my meta, but in the AG where I couldn't do that, I actually got some good solving in. Noted. Hopefully that all makes sense :/ This is extremely triggering to me because you yourself admitted that you're only voting me because other people are Don't say I seem the most suspicious when you haven't given any of your own reasons :P. (Again, not upset, just... I don't even know xD) Trusts voting on trusts. Lovely. Reads list will come before the end of the turn, I want to leave y'all with something. But I'm not going to do that now because I think my head will work better if I step away for a little bit Role claiming in fourish hours.
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Yeah, sorry if we confused you by relentlessly trolling TJ ourselves He’s not a player, he’s just running the game.
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Alright, thanks. Do you mind saying who those people are? Sorry if I’m being too persistent- just trying to get a better read of you.
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You still haven’t answered my question ‘None’ is a valid answer I v read you Illwei don’t worry :P.
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I’m aware of that, but it also wasn’t the question
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Who do you trust rn?
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From what I remember, I don't turn to pocketing first unless there's PMs, and I usually like to try newer players. You I'd PM because you'd probably find it weird if I didn't, and sure pocketing you would be very helpful but I'd probably hesitate to actively try to do it because I'd be nervous that you'd catch on. :thonk: I don't think this is AI at all, tbh. Playstyles aren't a set thing.
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I'm the one people were saying sounded desperate. Yeah, be careful following popular opinion. It's often wrong, especially D1. I mean, sure, but if I maybe made a mistake there you don't have to make the same one here. If you're not answering that, that's fine, I was just wondering if you would.
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You're good, don't worry about it. And that makes sense, I can respect interaction info-fishing. Did you come to any conclusions? From what I saw, I didn't have a whole lot of people (if any) defending me, but that perspective easily could be skewed. Again, understandable, I get baiting reactions. I did mean strictly claiming alignment there, not role. But yeah I'll do my best Szeth's first post in Tani's game is here. Looking back on the game has made me realize I misremembered how it went down- I didn't call Szeth out in Tani's game for this post, I called him out for his first post C2 (which is tonally similar but not the same post). So I think what happened is that when I saw Szeth open the exact same way this game, I remembered that he opened like that in his last game (elim game) but not if he opened that way in other games. So I wasn't sure if it was a Szeth tell or an elim Szeth tell, and I didn't pursue it further. When I was questioned about my reasoning I misremembered Tani's game, but hopefully this clears anything up. It's coming from all the votes I've accumulated over the various points of the cycle. Noted. I'll definitely keep that in mind for the future. If nothing else, this game has been a good learning one for me The reason I mentioned that is because I thought your reason for bringing up my self meta was about how I used it to defend myself, but I easily could have misread your intentions there. Ha, fair. Still looking for an explanation from @Illwei about why that post I made 'isn't villagery' and the specific reasons I'm confusing to @Thaidakar the Ghostblood, thanks I mean Last I checked I'm not in my first few SE games Edit: I will be closing the tab (promise) because I should be productive now
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Villagers definitely can be desperate too. What specific things don’t make sense to you? I’m happy to explain myself for anything, I just need to know what to explain. And yeah, if I die you’ll definitely vote someone else next cycle (For those wondering why I’m clearly here and not responding to Aman despite saying I’d be gone and would when I came back- I’m in a class, and have more free space than I was anticipating Limited to mobile for the time being, and want to respond on desktop.)
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To the people saying I sound defensive and/or desperate: Yeah. Last I checked, not wanting to die is NAI Still unable to respond to Aman properly, still planning on it. If I’m still in the lead tonight (like 10 hours) I’ll role claim. Edit: @Thaidakar the Ghostblood, why am I suspicious?
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But I'm village So it is Why do you think that? What about it isn't villagery? I am leaning towards thinking they're probably just village, yeah. I think Aman just posted again but I have to go for a few hours. Will respond to it eventually.
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Here's a question for everyone, honest question: Would me role claiming be helpful? I'll go with the consensus. I see that VC, and- I know this looks weird considering the reads I've posted, I know- go Stick (Dannnex) as the candidate I like best. That isn't to say I read Stick as elim. I don't read Stick as strictly elim. I don't know what I read Stick, after considering Illwei's take on them, which makes a lot of sense to me. But I read Exp and Illwei as village (Exp for previously stated reasons, and Illwei because of her solving style- reads legitimate to me in its progression. And because we're mindmelding on some things.) And I actively dislike the reasons people are voting Archer. It reminds me of when people would vote Gears for claiming elim. Ok but seriously did you read the rules post or not xD
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True Also true. I didn't fact-check myself when I posted that, which is why I never pursued it further. Also true I did initially suspect Striker for it (See the 'This though, I don't like'). I later read Striker village for a few different reasons- mainly his vote pattern. He unvoted me, which, sure, bias, but that shows that he's thinking about my slot more than just slapping a vote and not really revisiting me. And sort of the same thing as my v!Exp read; his vote pattern is erratic enough that I don't think an elim would bother drawing attention in that way. That's why my naked v read of Striker came directly after his naked vote change. This seems like splitting hairs to me. Obviously when I say "I'm village in these games" I'm referring to the section of games that I am village. Maybe a lot of people hadn't voiced suspicions on me, but at that point I was clearly the runaway train and from my PoV, a lot of people had voiced suspicion of me. ...Hyperaware, yes, but also very unconfident in my own awareness. This is a good take, but as I've said before- hard to defend against accusations that aren't anything but 'Mat sus'. I bring up my v meta because that's all I can bring up. Only one of those quotes was actually me defending myself, though. I think you overestimate how much I think before I post :P. But I'm finding that I can't actually argue with this section of your post, because you're right. Right about it being hard to trust what I say about my meta, right about how it's over-explainy, and about the differences in how I mentioned my e!meta and v!meta. I appreciate you mentioning everything you did, because I think it more than anything else makes me aware of my meta and how I appear to people that aren't me. And while I don't super want to change my playstyle for future games because of being sussed D1, I probably will tweak how I voice meta thoughts and my suspicions to be more helpful to the thread. Me spewing whatever the heck I feel like is fun, maybe easy, but also not the most useful. But this game? I'll go down with the ship if I have to. Anyone have a VC?
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'Newbie card' refers to acting more confused than you actually are to gain village cred. I want to make a reads list with actual explanations but I'll hold off until Aman posts.
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Entering the thread with a single somewhat strange read makes you noticeable. Exp did that with no concern, and elims normally take care not to draw too much attention. I've liked Striker's vote pattern and his level of engagement. 1: I've mentioned multiple times how I'm a common face to vote on incorrectly D1- and your first mention of me outside of my name in red is citing one of these times. 2: Why is your second choice the person I'm currently voting on? My vote will likely move to self pres (it will move to self pres) but that's still interesting to me. "Oh, he's elim... because he's elim." Like, I'm sorry, that's just not helpful :P. Most people most of the time don't give me the courtesy of telling me why I'm being voted on by them, and as a result I don't know why I'm so often a candidate early on and not later. Guess I just have one of those faces. Why bother keeping it to yourself? I can't defend myself against accusations that aren't there. This looks like you don't have reasons. (I believe you do, but it still looks like that). I've kept things to myself as a villager before, but I think that if you're asked a direct question about your reasoning for your vote by the person you're voting on, you should answer. Don't make me self pres on one of my only village reads :| I swear this always happens to me Very open mind, I see. I can tell you what I'll flip right now, but you probably wouldn't look twice at it. My role is one that makes little sense for the elims to have, and I don't really want to claim it but I will if that'll help. Yes. Yes you should. At the very least allow me to understand and reply. It's not helpful to anyone to hold onto it when I could very well explain myself. Sorry if I'm coming across as annoyed, it's not intentional. I'm just tired of this happening to me, because it happens a lot. Most of the time ending in my survival, which is why I didn't do anything about the early votes on me, I just figured they wouldn't stick. I see here that you're aware of all of these things, which is nice to see. I'm post-by-post replying to the thread (selecting the posts I reply to, I mean) in a notepad and then going to c/p and post it- point being that I haven't read anything beyond this at the time of typing this. I mean, that's four, not seven. GM is the GM and Kas and Exp don't count as reads. I would love to be a neutral again. Ironically the last time I was a neutral, you were the one telling everybody that I was. This is something I do. I think I picked it up from Illwei, actually :P. imo if I'm pinged by someone village or otherwise it's more helpful to post something than not, but I see how it could be hard to read. I'll try to put reasons with my takes, though, I'm being super hypocritical :P. I explained a lot of them in this post, I think. I think in general I'm a lot more nonchalance as village. But again I see how it's easier to read someone who's articulate, and I'll work on that. I like that post, though. Good mindset.
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I’ll catch up Gimme two hours xD I’d forgotten I almost was MLd D1 of the AG. That earns me another nickel
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Hi Kas Do you have an opinion on whether the exchange in question is e/e or not? I ask because I specifically don't. Yeah, this. It's basically what JNV said, and I agreed. Also agree with not actually wanting to kill them (hense the line in my opening post) It's one of my favorite ways to use D1 votes, new players or otherwise. So true. I'm interested in the first, second, third, sixth, and any that may extend beyond eight I already have 6, thank you (7 if you count this game). I think that'll suffice for the time being. I want to sheep these reads :). That list doesn't really look the same anymore, but I had/still have Stick there for... basically the opposite read that Illwei gave. I liked how Stick was interacting with the thread and how specific they were in some of the small questions they had. Adding to the saga of me disagreeing with Illwei, woo Yeah, context is important. It's harder for me to see that because I'm clouded by my TMI, but hey, at least I'm self aware May our next one be... in the upcoming LG xD I doubt I'll ever seriously elim read you based on what I've seen, you're just too villagery... but hey, fake self-condemning Seeker scans delivered via Tineye message happen, so we'll see. This so much xD This is like, rule one of GMing. Besides running the game I guess. No I didn't forget Karn was playing, what are you talking about Remind me to run a game next year after the AG I mean. The rest of the list was sincere, that was a joke inspired by the 2-3 other people also making a similar joke :P. I love that you still reference this :P. I mean. That's kind of why I liked it. Also Striker is village thank you have a nice day
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I just thought they didn’t really read the rules :P. I agree that you should probably know what an elim is after reading the main SE introduction page, but that leans into the territory of assuming how someone else understands/learns which is not something I want to do. (I’m not accusing you of doing this, either- your point was different from mine.) So I kind of just put it on the backburner and didn’t mention it. Yeahhhh I have a history of disliking people reading me based on their own playstyle so this is a fair callout But I don’t like when I’m elim read for acting like a different person’s elim meta, and this is the other way around, so it’s alright. Right?
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It’s never useless to ask, even if I might not have an answer. I think it’s the kind of posts he’s making- A lot of the time, when I’m elim, I avoid posting completely random takes and do less fluff. There is gut involved, but I think e!Exp might be more reserved.
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I could see Dannnex but it’s not something I’d immediately think of. Putting Stick there right now is something I disagree with, but a list like that isn’t something I’d make before C2 anyway :P. Assuming neither Stick or Dannnex die today. Having the whole cycle’s vote history is useful whereas right now anything goes. That being said I’m reading you pretty solidly village, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
