Mat

Good to know, thanks And yes, Karn did a very good job fulfilling their wincon I honestly think at this point the only non confirmed villagers are Dannnex, Jungle, and I guess Exp, so if this doesn’t work we’ll know where to go. I guess Illwei too, technically. But like. If we get the Shardbearer and the game continues (I don’t actually think this will happen, if there’s another GB it’s probably a Truthwatcher and they’ll auto-win by surviving) the Ghostblood should just claim and we can all help them win :D.

This actually does suggest e!you and v!Dannnex because Dannnex would be alerted since he'd get a kill role and you wouldn't be alerted because you'd get whatever role Dannnex had. But on the other hand I feel like e!you would claim the same thing as Dannnex for this reason. Right, that should have happened. I mean if it didn't then Dannnex is just lying which is also helpful :P. He didn't, he voted himself at the end of the cycle. v!Dannnex should kill Jungle, yeah

:side-eye: Jungle, what about yours? The best course of action is still to exe you and Messenger Archer to kill Jungle though.

I did show Illwei Archer’s alignment, and while I don’t think Illwei ever said outright it was vil she definitely implied it multiple times and never said it was evil, so I feel confident he’s village. And we shouldn’t vote JNV

Karn can choose this cycle, since he can’t be in the dead doc until he’s chosen. I do think he should pick Archer for the above reasons I switched Jungle and Dannnex’s roles last cycle so if one of them is elim they shouldnt have the kill anymore. Idk the OoA but maybe that’s why there wasn’t one? Dannnex Edit: @Tani seconding everything TJ just said

I mean If Illwei saw who the last elim is there isn’t really a point in continuing if they’re still alive, unless they just don’t play And I don’t think a modkill is super fair. I guess there was no elim kill, it’s be semi convenient if it was Illwei but that didn’t happen :P. I do think the game would end today regardless because we could exe Dannnex and have @Karnatheon Messenger Archer, which would kill Jungle. That’d be everyone in the PoE dead, and if it isn’t over then Exp I guess is next Really there’s no good option and I guess I’m just waiting for Devo’s yellow post

Oh, no Just the later edit with ‘words’ Did you There aren’t any mods playing, either

Everybody :P.

When did I ever not have you in my village tier xD The roles were switched C1, so no.

Yeah, Twins is the v/v one Which if we have any of those that’d be good to know. Don’t worry about outing yourself as conf-vil, we already have plenty of those and the elims went for Striker last cycle instead of one of them :P.

Chainsaw aside Have you read the thread

The result I got back from your action was that Striker’s alignment is Ghostblood, so idk I don’t think you took away any wincons

1. You shouldn’t clarify things we shouldn’t know 2. That contradicts what shows in the writeup since Striker flipped GB 3. I may be wrong in both those assumptions Don’t reply to this, it’s our game to figure out. Point is JNV isn’t elim which I had settled on anyway

RIP Striker Maybe he sees his death as a mercy, though likely he was holding out for someone to switch him back. I would have. JNV is now conf vil as well :P. This game feels broken on the village side of things but I’ll save that discussion for later… Karn

I assume he was the elim kill, which is kind of a strange choice… they definitely didn’t have time to see TJs message (I did get Striker’s alignment. Ghostblood :P.) But I guess I had marked them as definitely not e/e with Szeth And we don’t have to worry about deceive anymore :D. The exile’s first so we’re good today, was anyone deceived yesterday? Are you allowed to say if you were? Shardbearer made a kill, idk what that means. Basically I’m down to just Jungle/Karn/Dannnex and don’t really care between those. iirc Szeth was voting Dannex? One thing that could potentially be helpful is Ghostbloods claiming, but that might not be super helpful for you personally (maybe it is idk) and the remaining elim would probably just claim GB too.

Just alignment, but yes.

That works too :P. I wanted to give you options Sure I’m not a Lightweaver though, but I’ll keep that in mind

Here we go, reread and solve attempt! Here's the player list: Exp, Mat, TUA, Archer, TJ, Striker, Jungle, Szeth, Karn, Illwei, JNV, Dannnex Removing myself and TUA as the alignments that I know. TUA's dead and I'm a Truthless :P. Exp, Mat, TUA, Archer, TJ, Striker, Jungle, Szeth, Karn, Illwei, JNV, Dannnex I'm tentatively roleclearing Exp, Archer, and TJ for their claims, and I'm pretty ok with that for other reasons as well. Exp and TJ both had late votes on TUA and even though it looks like TJ tried to switch I think his explanation makes more sense than e!TJ trying to save TUA. e!TJ wouldn't have voted TUA in the first place, there was no reason to. I can see Archer pulling a fake Truthless seeing as he faked Alliance during his last elim game, but the situation is different here and I think the claim probably is just village. Truthless is pretty confirmable. Exp, Mat, TUA, Archer, TJ, Striker, Jungle, Szeth, Karn, Illwei, JNV, Dannnex Funnily enough that's just the first 5 names in the PoE Next is Illwei and JNV. Basically I'd like to make the case that the only way they're elim is if they're e/e; this stance coming from JNV immediately knowing I rolled LWS last turn. Illwei's the only other player who would have known that. However, I do think it's possible that JNV worked that out on their own, from what I've seen of them they have a good handle on what the rules are and have been putting a decent amount of effort into understanding the game. Illwei started the TUA train, which upon rereading just was completely unnecessary in every way. TUA had zero votes and only the briefest suspicion from me. If JNV or Illwei flip red I'll probably look at the other, but I don't really think that'll happen on either front. Exp, Mat, TUA, Archer, TJ, Striker, Jungle, Szeth, Karn, Illwei, JNV, Dannnex Leaving me with a great PoE of 5 players. Unfortunately I can't read into the reactions to TUA's exeing any more than I already have since the only reactions were to vote him, but that's fine I'll go ahead and put Striker and Szeth as not e/e, a bus from Striker in this way would be bizarre. Szeth to me is walking the line between TWTBAW and just elim; continuously pinging Tani and getting no response is weird and I really don't like their reaction to the lack of kill paired with their inactivity the cycle before. e!Striker is definitely the elim slot I find last in this case, there's more than enough room to doubt my gut as it told me his posts spiraled down as the cycle went on and I'd like Szeth's flip before I decide more. Jungle and Karn are both people I could see not submitting a kill, more Jungle than Karn though. I don't have much of a read on any of them, last cycle I was fine with Karn mainly because they were somehow flying under my radar in a 4 page QF D1 and I didn't like it And that's continued. Dannnex... is probably just village but I think he's had some interactions with Szeth/Striker (or at least they've quoted/voted him, or something like that) which could potentially be useful later on. I'm feeling pretty good about my pool of five, if I had to order it I'd do Szeth, Jungle, Karn, Striker, Dannnex. That should win the game unless there's something crazy, we'll see I guess EDIT: I will add that the order of this list would obviously change based on what e!Szeth's role is. A Highprince flip still implies an inactive Shardbearer (I guess it wouldn't change in that case. Beyond moving Striker to the back, but that happens with any e!Szeth flip) and a Shardbearer flip wouldn't discount Jungle/Karn, but there wouldn't be a reason for them to be above Dannnex. v!Szeth would probably just move Striker up for me. Oh- I had unvoted Szeth previously because I found their switch to voting Dannnex as villagery, but when I reread that section I didn't get that vibe. No problem going there now. (Ninja'd by JNV, making me nervous about my vote. Happens every time I swear xD) EDIT2: I am aware that Ghostbloods exist, probably 2-4 of them, and I'm also ignoring them. As Archer's pointed out they do better if they work with us and since they're not in a doc their actions shouldn't be wildly different from villagers.

You're right, but that's what I find strange :P. I definitely wasn't softing LS on purpose, and didn't check the rules to see if there was another role I could have been talking about because I... just assumed there was. The immediate jump to the correct answer on your part seemed pretty quick but maybe it wasn't. @Illwei did it work? :P. Put in your reply if the target was village and if the target was elim (though I'm assuming it was the former). Just so we can be on the same page about that at least. Or reveal who it was if you want ig.

Point to me where I said Lightweaver Squire.

I unvoted.

Can I ask you the same question? Er, Illwei, you did get the result of my action, right? :P.

Ask Illwei. She should know, in the hypothetical situation that you're correct.

What's the likelihood of three village Truthless? I mean, hypothetically. I think pretty high since Truthless is a vil only role and one that's semi easy to confirm

Szeth