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If anyone wants to tell me what I’m supposed to do, that’d be nice. Because it once again seems I’m the subject of a mid-cycle wagon based on gut, and no matter how I respond someone will find a ‘tell’ that supports their vote. So I don’t think I’ll bother responding to anything, as most of it isn’t anything real. Beyond that, I’ve just played how I always do, making reads, random pop ins, all that? I agree with Archer that Aman’s turnaround is weird. He writes a mega Archer case, and votes me for ??? I really don’t want to vote on Archer for self pres. That’d just be stupid. I just wish I’d stop getting put in this position when as far as I know it’s never been a reliable way to solve me. Maybe I’m wrong there, but at least can someone tell me that? /shrug Like if this is a me reaction test or something I deserve to know because it’s annoying to get wagoned D1 every single game :P.

Fair enough I guess. I read that as new player hesitance (something you never had ) and while I didn't like how their first response was constructed, I thought their response to me about it and their subsequent posts were consistent enough that I accepted their explanation. In my experience, elim teammates generally don't ghost write new player's posts enough for it to be a tell, so while I could see it either way I definitely lean village. Was going to ask this, thanks You picked two out of three players I've already given reads of xD For Raven, see above, for Archer, as I alluded to in a previous post, a light village, but sort of in protest of JNV's vote. I like his most recent post but can't decide if his routine solving of me is an elim checking the box or a villager falling into the same pattern. I think I lean village on Araris for the same reason (I liked his analysis post) but that's totally an effort read that is probably unwarranted and I should really go read his post again. Plus I kind of just trust Kas :P. Pshhhhhh definitely code for "I want to be in the elim doc first" /jk

How did you feel about their responses to you? I found them to be more put-together than I’d have expected from a new player elim under interrogation, but that isn’t going to be true for every new player.

I mean, yes, but as nothing has happened since we last were talking about that I don't feel like it counts. Rereading I haven't loved JNV's votes (more on that below) and I kind of feel bad reading Stink as evil for posting more game related thoughts than he did all last game but that's where my brain is going. Mostly I'm doing the thing where I'm deciding who I read village and am left with a PoE of null type people. So far the former list is something like Aeoryi/you/Ravenclaw/Wit with a potential Archer. I don't like this vote, really, because it's unfairly considering how playstyles work. This is actually something I frequently run into with Archer, ironically enough, because he loves to assume I play by my own meta textbook and am incapable of changing playstyles (see: his post right above this one) and even when he comes to the conclusion that I'm village it's a tad annoying But I don't think it's fair to assume that v!Archer will post a crazy thing or whatever. Kas touched on this too and I just think it's wrong /shrug I've been null on Archer so far but I do like his recent post, his incorrectly formulaic solving of me aside :P. JNV Aman! Welcome! Hopefully you clear up Exp's slot for us all :D. :D. :D.

Village points = reason to light village read (aka I think you lean village atm) Vote manip = Some roles can manipulate the votes to be different from how they were intended to be cast

Sometimes I’m not in a position to write up a post but I have a minute to scroll through the thread, so if you saw my name at the bottom and I didn’t say anything that’s probably why. NAI = Non Alignment Indicative (meaning “this doesn’t mean anything eother I think I broke the quote but am not sure lololol To be clear, I’m not saying we should hyper coordinate the exe or overfocus on who’s in second, but I also don’t want to act like it’s not a factor. I think the mechanic deserves some discussion, and that we should find the middle ground. Meant to quote Kas but I didn’t grab it and now I forgot what it was. I think just saying “fair enough” to his reply of me? I’ll check later EDIT: It was that, plus saying that I’m pretty sure I consistently ignore early votes on me regardless of alignment. But you have a better memory than me when it comes to these things so I may be wrong. Village points to both Raven and Wit for openness and honesty respectively

That… really wasn’t my point but okay I wasn’t even going to give you that it was a good place to start, but the following two paragraphs (and the rest I deleted) actually made me change my mind. At the very least I understand your POV on this even if we’re using slightly different definitions. On the bolder section: two schools of thought here. First, I’m sad you think I’d ever deliberately disengage Though I know that’s not exactly what you meant. But second: I didn’t exactly hold any criticism of Aeoryi’s posts back :P. If I were worried about that, I doubt I’d have been as blunt about it. And again, I’d love to hear a better explanation of why letting the second vote lie is the better option— the way I see it, it won’t ever be a good indicator of things because we all know what the second place does anyway. Votes will be motivated by it whether we talk about it or not. Might as well be on the same page about it. Expecting activity is like the baseline and minimum expectation imo

Not that much effort :P. But yeah, I know, I didn't take it that way-- my bad for not making that clear. I don't really think any read is unnecessary, especially on C1, if I have a thought, there's no reason not to post it /shrug RP does make it hard to convey stuff so I understand You say "Yeah" and then leave your vote on me ._. No one has major suspicions, but you don't typically vote on other people's suspicions. You vote on your own. Those might be the same thing, but they aren't necessarily. They should post more :p. Ravenclaw's most recent post seems overly dictionary, if you know what I mean. You know my opinion on Exp. My opinion is essentially the same as the LG. This activity level at this stage is typical for Araris/JNV/Ash. @Fifth Scholar what's going on with player number 12? Is that supposed to be Wit? xD Ravenclaw

—I don’t think it’s overanalyzing to say that I have a gut read —Certainly you can’t honestly call this a tunnel, the only reason I keep bringing it up is because other people do —Calling it a stupid read feels like you know Exp is village and are preflipping him, though “stupid” is probably just a synonym for “something I disagree with” —I’m not pushing to kill inactives. Why did you say I am? Why are you implying I’m pushing JNV and Archer when I’m not? I get 200 words is hard but cmon :P. It’s one thing to exaggerate and another to make stuff up

Did you... read my post?

It wasn't about the SU, and I don't know where you think I said I doubted them :P. I made that read long before reading the SU. Oh yeah, forgot about that. 90% sure his vote on me was a joke but I could be wrong.

Fair enough. We could call that out, and I'm imagining it to be a bit more formal, but mostly what I'm trying to avoid is the number two suspect getting an Ideal. Maybe I care more about this having just come off games where I primarily voted people not on the leading train. That's assuming there are elims in the tie at all, which isn't a guarantee. Though I do agree that ties aren't as bad as Aeoryi presented because I'd rather have villagers live roleless than die, so a v/v tie world is improved from normal here. Legitimately don't know what you're getting at here. Maybe I haven't read things close enough. Is there a reason you're against formally using the second vote? I think certainty is always better, for both alignments yes, but elims start with more of it and I'd like to even it out in any way I can. (To be clear, I'm not advocating for a hyper-focused effort, I'd just prefer more than no thought go into who falls second. I don't think letting the trains fall naturally will work super well because everyone knows what the second place vote does and that will affect things whether we talk about it or not). Not anything that specific, it just feels elimmy. Like he had nothing to say but wanted to post because he felt obligated to post. It didn't feel natural to me. The SU is regrettable but I don't exactly want to ignore him the entire game . I wish he'd just not signed up but what's done is done Can't decide if I like JNV's vote or not because half of my brain is saying JNV is jumping on something too easy >> This makes no sense because you're not consolidating by voting on someone with zero votes :P. ________________________________________________ Her My fault for not clarifying. She's a version of my character from something else. “We will uphold our Oaths. We will perform as the Blackthorn expects of us. Or we will die in our attempt.” Callar's words still echoed in Shay's mind. Were there... those who wouldn't? I mean, that's what she had heard. That's what people whispered, as if speaking it full-voiced would make it more true. She glanced over at the vague direction of Phil Swift. Storming man, she thought on impulse. It had been an accident-- allegedly-- but it still made her want to fight something. To lash out. Being a Knight meant that she suppressed that urge, at least now that the moment had passed. She didn't know whether the blow was an attempt at her life or a clumsy mistake. But either way, it wasn't her fault. Shay flexed her arm, which still throbbed. But only when she thought about it. Stormlight was useful stuff, and any real pain was now a memory. A recent memory, yes, but still just a memory. She intentionally conjured it, and directed the pain at a rock, which she sent skidding along the ground with a kick. "Shay, dear, you are simply too quick to anger," her spren said in her mind. She grit her teeth. It was true, but something about this situation put her on edge.

Kas, I know they’re your bros, but you can’t v read someone who hasn’t posted

— My first instinct is to use the second place vote intentionally to promote people we trust, rather than let it play out normally. It’s a tool we’ve been given, and I’d prefer publicly taking advantage of it so that the elims can’t. — I think Exp’s post is elimmy but I’m not qualified to read him correctly so, opinions? Will be back with RP in a few hours

It’s my brother’s birthday and I just got back from XC state so I’ll probably take the rest of the night/tomorrow morning to catch my breath, but I’m here for redemption of my past two games And I’ll probably toppost anyway with the levels we’ve been having /jk

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Character will be Shay

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@Justice_Magician Okay, though this is true, it’s not actually helpful, and I’m sorry it took me this long to realize that. Further explanation: I’ve alluded to this before, but some guys on my cross country team enjoy poking fun at my beliefs while we’re on long runs. My situation is a bit different than yours because they absolutely know I’m a member of the church (this knowledge is actually the source of their jabs) and though I’ve made clear my conversation preferences they deliberately ignore me and ramp it up as I ask them to tone it down. These guys should be my friends. They are, when they’re not being like that. But I can’t really call them good friends when they give me zero respect. I don’t want to walk away from them, just the things they do and say. But I can’t quit cross country— that’s non-negotiable. What I have found is that there are other ways to deal with it. A majority of the time, if I bear a testimony in contrast to whatever they’re saying, as opposed to correcting them, they suddenly find a way to change the subject. This actually reminds me of an Elder Stevenson talk from a couple of years ago. “Love, Share, Invite”. The “Share” section is especially applicable here. Here’s the quote I was thinking of: “God doesn’t need you to be His sheriff; He does, however, ask that you be His sharer.” This principle has helped me countless times. The jabbing stops when I share, but not when I’m a sheriff. If that doesn’t work, I simply stop running for a few seconds. Let them get out of earshot before continuing the run. In a club setting like yours, though, that strategy is not super helpful. I guess my actual advice would be to pray for advice. I don’t know all the specifics, even after your explanation, but God absolutely does, and He will direct you to the best path. Whether that’s opening up about why you prefer what you prefer (which I’ve noticed tends to help people change) or walking away, I don’t know, but I know you can find out. So again— sorry for implying what I did with my post from yesterday. Of course you shouldn’t stay in such a negative environment, but of course it’s soooo much more complicated than that. I understand what you’re dealing with, and I wish you the best.

Dilaf

As someone in a similar situation: easier said than done :P.

Thank you! It also doesn’t work on mobile, so I don’t think it’s a browser issue.

It does, yes. The error code is EX1366, if that sort of thing is useful.