Mat

Why?

I appreciate that, fair enough. Yeah ;-; I've wanted that for awhile now

I mean like if you think he's evil you can vote him Just trying to figure out what you actually think

Aeoryi that almost makes sense but I will never like self voting; as long as you know what you're doing I guess it's fine? Whatever I guess Elims don't feel pressured if you're voting yourself. They may if you're voting them /shrug

woah woah woah Sart putting some breaks on this train Same question-- why? 'because he shot violet' doesn't count, he had to shoot someone, and honestly his reason isn't that bad.

That changes nothing, except make me wonder why it took you so long to claim. Why shoot Violet? That VC was funny though ngl

I'm dismissive of it because I think they're village. I don't think the elims necessarily have to hold a presence on the leading trains-- look at them. All on villagers. Every day, except yesterday, theoretically. Countertrains included. The elims don't need to hold a presence; the villagers are doing a fine job killing themselves. Edit: So why are you self voting? Doing it to make you look less sus won't work. So why are you self voting? For what it's worth, I don't think v!you guarantees anything about anyone, Araris or I or otherwise. Edit2: Cmon Araris :P. e!me would not be trying to drive discussion this hard, even if he should be.

If they're not reliable, then we may be doing better than we think, but I'm also asking for a PHer to get the heck out of this game. So that had really better not be the case :P. The only difference is the word 'removed'. We think that means she was removed by complaints and not the exe or elim kill. Either way that looks pretty dead, and that's quite the stretch to justify voting a dead villager when we don't actually have indication that her alignment changed or that we can get her back.

Bro DeTess is gone, exed out, not tagged in the OP, nothing Even if she can still interact with the game, I don't think we can interact with her Plus she flipped green so like what are you even doing voting her lol

Staying on TKN was also pointless. I was curious if anyone would bite my line. No one did though. I think you're making out the voting to be a lot weirder than it is. In a super tight train on a D1, an all-green lead makes sense. D2's lead train voters are all still alive. And you're on the D3 one, and at least to me Mark hasn't done anything near as clearing as Aeoryi has (I use the word 'clear' lightly, it's not literal, I really just don't think Aeoryi is elim and I've been right every time I've said that so far /shrug) I also don't think that exeing TKN again is a waste of time, as you imply it to be. We didn't actually exe him :P. Discussion can still happen though ofc Edit: Also like if the self voting doesn't stop I don't even know I feel like that one is a joke but this is an actual SE trigger point for me lol

Could you pinpoint what about his posts made you think that?

Point: We don’t know it was a role

Would you have called Wiz a suspect? Or in other words, what was the other part of the poke vote was ‘in part’

I’m more concerned about how a third of the players are gone and none of them are red

Yeah like I’m pretty sure everything that just happened literally doesn’t count for anything I don’t think that’s a good idea but /shrug See my second edit above pls I need to brainstorm I don’t think that actually makes sense anymore because afaik we got three complaints at Szeth but maybe GM complaining works differently / maybe complaining at the GM is what caused this

WAIT I was posting too fast, every time I do I come up with something else It’s D3– again— but it is D3. There wasn’t a kill last turn (the OG D3, I mean). DeTess just died. I think she was the N2 kill. Originally I thought TKN/elims messed with the VC and made her die but no it’s just like time travel shenanigans or something If anyone knows anything about this please explain Edit: Also— DeTess was actually removed, not killed. Makes me wonder if we just saw the effects of the elims complaint stacking. Is that possible? Edit2: I need to bounce ideas off people gah So complaints ‘remove’ people, yeah? That’s what we just saw happen to DeTess. What if the elims stacked their complaints on DeTess N2/D3, and what complaints do also resets the cycle they take effect on. Seems bonkers but ???

Wait TKN

Nice okay that all but confirms e!TKN for me with a really weird mechanic but idk at this point

Why?

Backreading proved mostly useless because Pyro's vote was a poke and Violet died, but I don't super love Ravenclaw's. It's definitely the worst of the bunch. Hard to tell with a train entirely comprised of new players. I still don't think e!Exp ever posts that reads list and stays on me, though. Even in writing the wrong thing. That interaction looks very good for him, and based on how his train didn't prompt any change in the VC (expect maybe Violet voting Wiz, and that obviously is a fruitless path of analysis) I'm fine chalking him up as village. This in turn makes Sart's push look bad, and I don't like his phrasing in calling out my logic-- "Your process of elimination seems off" doesn't seem like something a villager (who knows I'm wrong) would say. So I'll vote Sart despite my history with just e reading him regardless of everything, because I really don't have anything else (unless people vote TKN) and I do think Exp is village.

TKN (5): DeTess, Araris, Mat, Mark, Aeoryi DeTess (1): Frustration Stink (1): TKN So we have a runaway on TKN, Frustration on an expired vote, and TKN self pressing alone. Hmm. Araris Also, Stink, I don't think being the first to vote Archer counts as a point in your favor And all you've really done in our PM is dodge my requests to hear any reads you have. Low active is a fair assessment for everyone except Aeoryi and I, imo. (Actual Updated VC:) TKN (4): DeTess, Araris, Mark, Aeoryi DeTess (1): Frustration Stink (1): TKN Araris (1): Mat

Ummm he might have, he for sure told me in our PM which… isn’t helpful :P. I’m pretty sure I mentioned in my last post that it was my last post. Maybe not though >> Would knowing that have changed your vote?

I didn’t have the chance to get you to change your vote, actually, beyond asking the entire thread not to kill Archer. I made it clear I was going to be afk past my last post. All you said about Archer in the PM is that you didn’t think we were both evil, you would take my opinion into account, and you were unsure but planning to leave your vote on him to see if he squirms (even though he also made it clear he was going to be afk for the majority of the turn). Dunno why you expected me to reply to that PM past the cycle you sent it, considering it was about your vote that turn and I’d already made my cases. @The Known Novel don’t cage, if you have something worth not killing your over you better just say it

I don’t expect you two to agree with it :P. I think Exp is village based of last turn, for reasons I can explain again if required. @Sart, why vote him?

What do you think about it?