LewsTherinTelescope

I don't know if this is because of power limits as much as Intent limits (neither ruining nor preserving is creating something new). After all, the Well of Ascension, relatively small compared to the full Shard, was capable of moving the entire planet with plenty of power to spare. I don't see any reason to think this is the case? Considering the only magic system we know much of so far is of both, accessed via spren of the merged powers, they don't seem very split to me... I have no idea how this would happen but that would be wild.

Moved to the Secret Project forum.

That's a fanmade timeline based on the indicators we get during the books, which can be pretty vague. If you look at the data collected to make it, there's actually about a five-month period that it's speculated to fall within, with the feast being inside that range.

I really want Jorgen to be one (or even the persistent one), but tbh my gut feeling is that Defiant will wrap up his main internal arcs and he'll be more of a side character going forwards. Hoping Vapor is one of the rotating ones, figment book would be cool.

Good point. In that case, I think it's more likely he's lying about Gavilar having no bond, rather than lying about the ability to bring people into visions. Yeah, the Shard is awesome! I may be biased

None of the eight knew whether Kalak had survived in the Prelude or not, though, including Ishar. We have. (Sometimes human-sized, sometimes not.) He sends Dalinar visions outside the storm in Oathbringer (and later Jasnah and Navani). Book opens with him having a vision replayed, but there hadn't yet been any highstorms since the end of Words of Radiance, so it was definitely outside a storm. WoB is that he is somewhat omnipresent, due to absorbing Tanavast's Shadow. Normally he can't, but in Rhythm of War, we know he's able to see near where Dalinar is, because he recognizes the spren from Ishar's experiments. So being able to be where Gavilar is is consistent. They don't. In the Prelude, Kalak does not know whether any of them survived or not until Jezrien explains, and Jezrien mentioned that none of them knew whether Kalak was alive or not. So it seems that outside the special case of when Jezrien got torn out of the Oathpact, Heralds cannot tell when another Herald dies. Yeah, this has always been a weird part of the theory for me – if, as proposed, they bonded her because of her mother, what about her siblings? The other things do seem to line up, though, and the mention of Chana's hair in the prologue feels so out of place to me that foreshadowing is the only conclusion I can come to about it. (Shallan and her mother are the only women in the entirety of the first two books with pure red hair, and we know she was seen in one of those books.) So my current opinion is that Chana is probably her mom, but that's probably not an intentional deciding factor on the part of the Cryptics, though it's possible it could be a sweetener. I don't think the timeline works out for it to be because of the Diagram, because Taravangian only visited the Nightwatcher after Gavilar talked about the visions, but it's possible that the reason she became part of the Diagram was because she died, then broke and knew what was coming... It's not clear when she joined up, but Taravangian's phrasing to me implies it was recent. She also may have known the Desolation was coming shortly after becoming part of things, but we don't know whether this is truth, or is a lie to hide the visions and Death Rattles from Dalinar. I'll have to keep an eye out as well, to see whether that theory might have more behind it... For meta reasons, I'm guessing Shinovar, because it pulls the Ishar, cleansing, and BAM plotlines together. Also, Lasting Integrity is right by Tukar, and Tukari attempted to kidnap Notum, meaning that Shallan and Adolin have reason to get involved with his plotline, and Brandon does like to tie multiple things together. Alternatively, it might be in Iri, since the singers in the False Desolation were pushing towards Feverstone Keep and that is apparently near Rall Elorim, but I'm not expecting us to see much of that nation until Book 6 since Lift grew up there. Implication is that she's in a gem, but I suppose we don't know with certainty. Tien was also bonded by a Cryptic pretty young. Definitely. Not sure exactly where she's going, but it's gonna be big.

Given that Honor and Cultivation can apparently combine to form essentially anything, the answer to this is probably "whatever Brandon wants when it becomes relevant", lmao

Sibling claims that it was Ba-Ado-Mishram's imprisonment that did that, and places it shortly before Honor's final death.

"shash" is an Alethi glyph meaning "dangerous" "shash" is also an Alethi glyph based on Shalash's name used as a number, sign of the Lightweavers, etc (Isaac believes them to be unrelated, and since he makes the glyphs I'm inclined to believe that he probably knows this topic) "shash" is also a letter in the Hallandren alphabet (confirmed a coincidence) Sometimes Brandon seems to just get sounds in his head he likes for a given type of thing, lmao

Also, Khriss has this to say in Arcanum Unbounded: The essays seem to be written around Way of Kings-ish, because she's not yet certain whether there are truly Shadows on Braize or not, but seems to be aware of the singers and Radiant bond, the latter of which she only really learned about after Szeth assassinated Gavilar going off the Ars Arcanum, and there's already at least one Shard besides Devotion/Dominion/Honor/Ambition that she at least thinks might be Splintered, going off the plural.

An interesting theory on this topic I saw suggested on Reddit: Could be Virtuosity, Wisdom*, and Invention? So perhaps Wisdom is along the lines of Acumen/Intellect/Understanding or something in that vein. (Man, coming up with a word that both sounds divine and works as an intention is hard sometimes... I see why he takes so long to canonize these lmao.)

It'd definitely be a wild tale, that's for sure lmao. My current headcanon is that maybe he was a figure in early Trelagist theology or something, and perhaps the street was named by people of that heritage who might have at the time still had mythologized stories about him even if the Lord Ruler ensured actual worship was stamped out. But there's literally no evidence for that, based entirely around "what if it is named after him" and "maybe Trell really liked sand masters after he got saved". Yeah those really can't be the same people, agreed. For that matter there's also three different Reds, and three unrelated shash glyphs (with one on an entirely different planet from the other two), and Ati the Aon and Ati the Vessel are probably unrelated (and probably not even pronounced the same).

Do we know that? Khriss and Baon did both make it offworld, and Trell the foreman might've too, so there's a lot of future worldhoppers in his circle... Might actually come from him some way or another, though I'm not quite sure how.

Please use the dedicated thread to discuss the prologue.

@teknopathetic @Epimus We've just gone ahead and made a thread for prologue discussion, please keep talk about it there

Well, crem, Brandon's managed to throw everything into shambles again. For the time being, please keep all discussion about the prologue to Book Five in this thread.

That depends on if the order our cast labeled the drawers and their contents is actually the chronological order they were recorded or not.

We do know that Nightblood was not originally a spike or metalmind, unfortunately. (I do have my own theory on that, but I don't want to derail OP's thread going too into it.)

I mean, we've seen Rayse, Ati, and Leras's corpses, but we haven't seen Tanavast's, so I don't think that's quite the same situation. (Doesn't mean that Tanavast is a dragon either of course, just means we don't have any particular proof either way [dependent on how you read the WoB], while for the others we do.) Oh good catch, yeah Tanavast's name doesn't really fit. Could be a dragon, could be from another nation (or have ancestors from another nation), either way his name seems to have a different origin from most of the Vessels we know of. ("Edgli" also feels similar to the others to me.) His name does fit with Bavadin's more, and she's unfortunately definitely not a dragon no matter how "right now" is interpreted, but it doesn't feel quuuite the same to me either.

There's a cavern right before the room with the Well of Ascension that's filled with black "smoke" that behaves like the mists and that swirls around Vin when she has her earring in.

I do agree that that is most likely (or at the very least that it arose after Nazh left and during a time where very few people came or left), just wanted to clarify that we don't have confirmation of it like we do the timeline of them abandoning the Homeland.

We do know they didn't flee until past Secret History (Shadows for Silence is between Warbreaker and Stormlight, so probably over 200 years past SH, and Silence's grandparents were among the very first to explore the new continent so they fled probably within a century or two of the story), but it's unclear if the Evil existed prior (and just wasn't bad enough to warrant evacuating a whole continent) or not.