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Don't forget that Shallan remembers using a seon box when she was young.

Can he react to that? Let's look at what Moonlight says about Autonomy: And now apply it to Patji: Most people avoid the island, facing no danger from him but getting no benefit either. This is the first group, those who keep their heads down and live safely. The trappers work within his restrictions, weathering his threats and reaping his rewards. This is the second group, those who impress him and rise. The company rebels against his systems entirely, bulldozing his challenges and seizing the prize for themselves. This is the third group, those who go against him successfully and are rewarded. The Ones Above are also the third group. Autonomy may not want them (or Roshar) to go on a conquering spree, and can prepare the people of First of the Sun to resist. But if the invaders prove themselves the more resilient of the two... well, can the Shard's Intent really allow them to withhold the spoils, even if it's not the outcome they hope for? Their nature demands they let the challenge stand once it's been issued.

I'd argue that while the influence fades, we see with Rashek and perhaps Kelsier that it doesn't necessarily disappear.

Based on this WoB I think they can probably help traverse the emberdark:

Nah Foil is a different guy.

Good shout, I've changed it to Nomad.

Yeah I can see that interpretation, fair enough. I do think her being related to at least one would make sense, but as you pointed out it would be kind of odd if both were (though not impossible, for sure). The other option is that neither were and she was what people take as the sign of misfortune. Fun side note: When Hoid makes an illusion of a dragon to show Kaladin what they look like, it's a pearlescent one

We don't know whether she's related to either of the previous albino dragons, do we?

Note that the comment you're replying to is from a year and a half ago, or almost a year before the book came out, which might be why they didn't know the answer to those questions yet Also, I've moved this thread into the Sunlit Man spoiler forum.

Might not even need to be a magical limitation, if you slap an unbreakable shackle around their wrist then they might not be physically able to expand into their draconic form. Then again, suppose you could just chop off her hand then heal it back with a fabrial or something, but maybe that's not widely accessible or maybe she's just behaving herself (or simply does not want her hands chopped off for any period of time, like any sane person).

That's fair, I can see that interpretation as well. [Sunlit Man]

Ah, I misread what you said. Thought you put Mistborn at 10 and then said First Heightening. Even going with the 40% number, 20 souls doesn't sound like "almost nothing" to me. At least as I understand the WoB, it sounds to me like he's saying "we have no Investiture and a Drab = us", which would then imply he's changed his mind and the Breath is the whole soul? [Sunlit Man]

Lately Brandon's been suggesting it's the entire thing: [Sunlit Man] First Heightening is 50. To the contrary, Brandon doesn't consider them highly Invested at all, once even saying they have "almost none": How this relates to Kelsier lasting is... unclear. It's definitely not universal as an effect, but it makes sense to me that Endowment's metal would gift you its power. I don't mean "side effect" in that it primarily grants some other ability, I mean if you were to boil down the mechanic I think the primary thing would be "Invests/Connects you" and "become Allomancer" is simply a natural result of that. Last we heard the side effect thing is still true but just not very relevant anymore:

I don't know that it's any less unique than lerasium. So far as I understand these things it mostly just Invests you with its power and that Investment as a side effect grants Allomancy, no? So the idea that burning edglium just Invests you with its power and as a side effect that Investiture functions the same way Breath does seems pretty comparable to me. I have to imagine this would depend on the size of the bead, just like Allomantic strength from lerasium does. Fifth Heightening is three and a half times as many Breaths as the Third, so probably a bead three and a half times the size of a Third-granting bead would give the Fifth? But I think that's probably an order of magnitude too large for a "normal"-sized one. Third Heightening is 600 people's souls; I don't think the original Allomancers were that much more Invested than the average person, and I don't see a reason to think edglium would be that much denser than lerasium personally. Alright, in that case I've moved it (and set the title back since there's no need for a special warning now).

I've retitled the post to make it more clear that this contains Warbreaker spoilers, since this is in the Mistborn-only forum. @Radium have you read everything? This'll be easier if I can move the thread to the full Cosmere spoiler forum.

Well, title aged interestingly...

I don't think this would explain it, because we see in the Prelude that Kalak had no idea whether any of the others were alive and none of them knew whether he was, which suggests they don't have a way to tell when fellow Heralds die. Modern-day Kalak's conviction that if the Fused have returned then Taln must have broken is also odd if he knows Chana has died and could easily be the one to have done it.

While true generally, the Ashynite powers did work off the same principles: We also know that the magic system was not always disease-based, though we don't know when the change happened or how: That said, the fact he retrieved his Honorblade in the first place is odd to me unless he lost whatever powers he used to have. They were, or at least Bondsmithing was (RoW 66): The latter seems to be the case: Like the honorspren locking Kalak away under a chullcrem excuse so they can seize control of a court trial and force the outcome they want? Problem is, "honor" is self-defined. In the Stormfather's case, it seems to be centered around explicit oaths (OB 38): Which is also backed up by OB 4 (note that he specifically includes oaths made in ignorance as being just as worthy as oaths made in full knowledge): He may very well see no issue with lying—or at least with allowing Gavilar to believe his own false extrapolations, which is what prologue!Stormfather implies happened with Gavilar: In fact, we see him try to pull misleading non-answers off with Dalinar too, though he gives in when pushed (OB 64): He implies the answer to the question is no, but when Dalinar calls him on it he concedes he does (and I'm not sure how true his answer really is since Jezrien has been in the same spot for at least eight years and Nale has not been terribly subtle for someone with the Stormfather's knowledge and vision, but maybe he's just really inattentive, who knows). Might Gavilar have asked similar questions but been too confident in his interpretations to catch the deception? I think this one is probably a lie because of his hesitation on this line: That WoB says they're the same level, not above. Though I don't see a ton of reason to believe he did visit her regardless; I'd be curious to hear a more detailed argument there. Assuming that anyone who disagrees with you simply isn't taking theorizing seriously is rarely helpful. If someone were to turn this around and say Stormfaker theorists are just refusing to consider he could be different than we think, well, you would probably disagree yeah? In the same vein, maybe try giving the benefit of the doubt and considering that maybe people who think it's the real Stormfather do so because they have looked into it and feel other evidence outweighs the character evidence rather than because they just aren't willing to think about it.

If marching down there and blowing the place up counts as "natural processes", literally anything does. Drop a bomb? Everyone dying due to fire is a natural process! Shut down the sun? Everyone freezing is a natural process! Set up a forcefield in Shadesmar? People being blocked by it is a natural process! I just can't see that expansive of a meaning being the intent. Especially as that ignores the other part, where he says "'how' is the wrong term". If you were to ask how Kell destroyed the Pits, there's a clear answer: he went and destroyed all the crystals. But apparently if you were to ask how Autonomy isolated Taldain it just doesn't make sense as a question.

[Sunlit Man]

This WoB seems to suggest it's more complicated than that, since apparently "how did she do it?" is not a valid question:

In the highstorm it's from the Spiritual Realm through the Stormfather, so for the perpendicularity it's presumably straight from the Spiritual. This would be my guess, personally. You can brute force a perpendicularity with enough Investiture, but Elsecallers are also able to create them with significantly less power in order to transition, so that's not the only way. Dalinar describes it as grabbing a Realm in each hand and bringing them together, so probably a Bondsmith perpendicularity works off different mechanics.

I wouldn't be surprised if this varies by planet. Roshar has Radiants who can transition between the Realms pretty simply, but Scadrial's magics could be better suited to screwing around with spacetime (the time bubble Alcubierre drive theories mentioned above). We also don't know the limits on Elsecalling objects/other people, so it might be you can send individuals through Shadesmar but have to use space if you want a big vehicle. I think you're right that the perception-shaped nature of the Cognitive could cause issues that drive people to prefer Physical Realm FTL though, both by expanding but also by just making things really unstable over the long term. More and more people viewing their planets as round will affect things too, for example: It is:

Ah right, fair enough. I suspect this is someone conflating the warping with Voidlight's normal visual effect (which I've seen happen a few times) since I can't find anything either, but hard to be sure without asking whoever wrote that line what they meant. Personally, my running theory has been similar: that it's minuscule amounts of anti-Light leaking and reacting with ambient Investiture left over from highstorms and such that's just kind of latently hanging around the environment.