Frustration

The Ashynites used Surgebinding.

Parshmen only lost their Connection I wouldn't say that Connection and Identity are any more related than say Identity and Fortune, or Connection and Investiture. Identity is just the thing in the SR that says "This thing is a tree" or "This is Dalinar". Where Connection is "Comes from this place, likes this person, hates this food" etc.

The length of time since the last post before it is considered a necro is directly proportional to how impactful your post is. So for example if you want to say "I agree" or "that's so cool" don't do it after a few weeks. But if you have something like "This new WoB proves that your theory is correct" you can go back much further. It's definatly more of an art than a science.

This thread is so wholesome, I love it.

They would return to Braize.

Probably just her being wierd, because no one else ever saw it.

Even if Atium let a person know exactly how to position themselves at all times, and gave them the mental ability to force themselves into that position you can't dodge everything, nor can you prevent yourself from being surrounded. Every time you try to attack you have to block strikes coming in from three directions, and since your opponents move just as fast as you, by the time you block one strike then move to block the second the first person will be attacking again, and you still have the third person to worry about. On the other hand Koloss do not stratagize and simply swing, assuming that they will win because they are bigger. They don't work together, and thus one Koloss is much easier for a seer to deal with than three people working together.

You know, since Cancer is made out of its host cells, in a way the only thing strong enough to kill Techno, was Techno himself.

You guys need to see this.

Because you have to carry them, and lugging a large piece of metal around doesn't seem very convienent. We've seen Shallan draw creationspren like he does, and Dalinar does the same with gloryspren. For SA that's one overpowered drop from the bucket. That won't top 72 foot stone monsters, people that can straight up teleport, summon lightning etc. And besides Koloss have the IQ of day old bread, so that doesn't mean much. A group of three competent alethi spearmen working together could easily take a seer down. Dalinar had a shardblade and plate of his own. Or are you refering to his first time at the rift when he only fought someone with a blade when he had plate of his own? Yes, but a Mistborn can't move faster than bullets. Because to paraphrase Brandon "She reacted to him reacting to the future" which is still really easy to do, and one of the many reasons I think Atium isn't that powerful. It's not a once ever ability, everyone can do it if they know how. I can easily see anywhere from 5-20% of each order being able to do it at least some of the time Given that they can make stone buildings, entire city walls, and a lot more which are far more dense than vines, it's not that much stormlight. I mean, I suppose it's to each person to decide, but given how bad tin was, and it being one of the more "tame" Savant side effects I wouldn't risk it. We really don't see enough regals to say. Which is a real shame because they are awesome.

Nope This pokemon was the first non-legendary to be banned to Ubers in Smogon.

Yes. Bro I have no idea. When suspended in the air there is only so far a Mistborn can move. And lurchers blocked coins with wooden sheilds, shardplate can compltely ignore them. Fair enough but you yourself point out he was in the tower at the time. And why is that? They do And how do you know it's not at least close to Atium? Considering all Unmade can grant Voidbinding, and the only confirmed power of voidbinding is seeing the future I have to disagree I said Voidbinders. Liveplate that lets you remove the only weakness? Yes. A man with living shards wins against a seer with an aluminum dagger. Do you think atium will let you dodge bullets? Why not? Not much you can do when the shadows suddenly split. Well the individuals in Stoneward and Windrunner orders already are the kinds of people who would undergo the training neccesary to become that skilled. From personal experience you only need a few seeds to cover a large amount of land. And depending on size you can hold hundreds of seeds. Enough for interplanetary travel. I really don't think that is the case. Source? Right here Well that would make you a savant of multiple metals, savanting in just one metal has enough complications, I wouldn't consider worth it. I would say that equiping everyone with a weapon that is only better at fighting a handfull of individuals is a bit of a waste if you ask me.

Zane also had a spike giving him greater ability. Even if they could burn the aluminum, which I highly doubt, it would only burn away the metal that was inside of them, leaving them to painful suffication as they run out of air. As stated above stromlight is not an issue. Anything other than healing that pewter gives, plate is better at. A person in plate would easily outrun pewter, and not only that but radiant plate has no time limit, but pewter burns increadibly quickly. Simply turning is far faster than even steeljumps around a seven foot radius. I'm not saying any solider, but it is well within human potential. Roshar has at least 5(surgebinding, Voidbinding, Lifebinding, Fabrials, Nightwatcher) but only two that we've really explored.

And other than chromium not being instant do you have anything to back that up? What's the plan thing? And shardspears can get long enough to stab someone who can fly, or they can cover coins. And Mistborn really can't do anything to them either. And other than Kaladin we have never had a PoV for a Windrunner at the same point in there story as Kaladin is in his when he pulls windspren to him. Windspren make up a Windrunners plate, so any Windrunner near or above the fourth ideal will have windspren. Nightform singers, Voidbinders, Unmade etc. Obviously not as anyone who has the skill to either react to the atium burner, or is just physically better than them can do it. Shardplate makes the wearer much faster and stronger than pewter. If the Radiant is warform then the difference is even greater. Atium does not give speed, so anyone who moves faster than a Mistborn can basically ignore it. Geting inside a swordsmans guard is almost impossible, humans are just too slow to not get hit. If you look at anytime someone with a knife fights someone with a sword they rely heavily on their knife to block incoming strikes, because dodging them is next to impossible, and against a shardblade that won't work. Even with atium you can't get in because only an idiot wouldn't change the direction of their strike once it became obvious that it wouldn't connect. How did Vin do it then? How could Taln do it? He isn't faster than they are, and changing direction of a strike mid-swing is laughably easy. The answer is all of them, because they have plate, so force isn't an issue. Kaladin, Dalinar, Adolin and Szeth weren't just magically born better that the rest of the world at fighting. Sure they might have some natural inclinations, but anyone who trained like they did would have near equivelent skill. To start the process at the very least. Well if we assume every sphere they use is a broam, and that each sphere can only be made into a 1 gram gem(both highly conservative estimates) then a radiant can multiply their stormlight carrying capacity by a factor of 2.5. Add in higher oaths greater efficency, and Singers not leaking light and the stormlight required becomes much less of a burden. Because it moves with you, just like time bubbles do when you reach savanthood. Huh, I missed that. However they do have aluminum, and in pretty significant quantities.

Vin says instantly Why would they be the same speed? Aluminum interacts oddly with all magic this would just be one more. No they can't, Vin mentions several times that moderating pushes in increadibly difficult, even for her. Kaladin is the only windrunner we have seen try and stop a highstorm. They don't have to be, and I'm not saying they are. I'm saying that Stonewards take after Taln, if they acheive even a tiny fraction of his skill then they will overcome atium. Radiants historically fought enemies that could see the future all the time, and they won. So if it's the same conditions and it occurs often enough on Roshar they have a name for it, then obviously Rosharans and thus Radiants must be skilled enough to pull it off with some level of regularity. Add in selective and cultural pressures, along with constant competition with similarly skilled individuals and the Winrunners and Stonewards with the greatest skill will be able to overcome even a prepared Atium burner. Only Spook is strictly mistborn and he's era 1. And Marsh doesn't even have the ability to burn all of the metals unless he decided to get new spikes. Marsh has some atium, but he's certainly not sharing. Steelpushing isn't graceful, its a jerking shove that pushes the user away. When you can't get hit by any of the thousands of seeds being flung at you, and the countless vines growing from them, steelpushing is not a desireable way to flee. How about existing? No Mistborn has been born since Harmony acsended. It won't be until era three that they start coming back, so why should Mistborn get something they won't have until era 3 but Roshar has to stay where it is right now? Yeah, ones that allow for them to move, something timebubbles don't get until savanthood. So it should be easier for them to be projected away from the user. We do not see her soulcast. The fused use them very differently, or do you have an explanation for why no Stoneward can walk through stone, or why no Elsecaller can teleport?

Given that the speed of burning is equivelent to the work done, it's probably one of the fastest. Aluminum is instant As is duralumin, any metals burnt with it go instantly, though the metal itself just burns normally. I didn't think about momentum good catch, but that's still negigable when you can simply add another lashing. But he doesn't pull on the other end, he doesn't make a cloud of spinning metal. And on top of that why should Kaladin have special powers exclusive to him? It clearly extends beyond that, the WoB there says that Stonewards were the masters of combat for all radiant orders. That cannot just be a fluke, especially for it to last so long, and to extend to a common intrest for them. There are selective pressures in the order of Stonewards pushing for strong combatants, and Windrunners aren't far behind. We are talking about a planet that has named(and used) a technique for catching a shardblade mid-swing. Roshar just on a base level has much more competent fighters than Scadrial does. And of those the best will be drawn to Radiance, and the best of those will be in Windrunners and Stonewards. Now not all of them will be able to do it, but it will be a significant amount. All it takes is one pant wrapping its vines around them, and they lose a lot of mobility. And avoiding every seed tossed with a plate enhanced throw is going to be insanely hard because either you run and don't get the speed of steel, or you jump and lose the fine control needed to use Atium. And how many Mistborn exist in era 2? How much atium? No, but I already gave them their "Give me" Given that they couldn't figure out how to do that with copperclouds, which are far more mobile and they've had over a thousand years to do it, won't happen. Fused also have differnet uses for the surges than Radiants.

When has the specific time that your enemy is foreseeing been a factor in how your future sight reacts? Even the tiny foresight of electrum completly negates Atium. Nicrubursting won't work through plate, and assuming the mistborn engages in the fight first is giving them an unfair leg up. Chromium burns as fast as duralumin It won't matter how much metal they eat duralumin will burn all of it away if used together. They can instantly change direction without slowing down. They are FAR more maneuverable than mistborn. We haven't seen anyone else do Kelsier's trick with metal rods, so it's likely unique to him. How fortunate that Stonewards take after Taln, the most skilled Herald ever and Windrunners aren't far behind. So no, Stonewards and Windrunners will have a massive selection bias in favor of people skilled enough to overcome atium. You cannot doge into a place where the is no room for your body. It's not a skill issue it's a physics issue. I am giving Mistborn the same benefit. Mistborn will not have all sixteen metals until era 3, and I'm even considering them having atium to boot. Why would you soulcast them? It would be so much easier to place them in a solid aluminum cube. Or molten aluminum.

That's the same as saying "Have screamer spren alert skybreakers where all the mistborn are and then kill them in their sleep" It's not a fight, and is therefore not within the realm of this thread. I never said that.

Alright I suppose waiting for TLM was optimistic. And I have been preparing so time to test myself. Truthwatchers. Why the need for the italics on "always there" in that case? Because shardblades and plate are part of Radiant magic. And I'll get around to surges later. So I will allow each side one "give me", for Scadrial that will be access to all sixteen metals I will even allow for some atium, and for Roshar that will be knowledge on how to use the surges to maximum potential. While also assuming each side knows what the other can do. A few noted just before we begin Shardplate would greatly resist leaching, assuming it even needs it in the first place. Second to create a "buffer" against leaching all a radiant has to do is eat some gold. It's non-toxic so Stormlight won't destroy it while also being a non-invested metal so leaching will go for it before going for the Stormlight, and with the speed that Chromium burns that's a big problem. Radiants use spheres to hold their stormlight, but most of a sphere is glass, with the gem itself being only a few mg. Even broams are only 400 mg. If they used full gems instead of spheres they would have much more stormlight. And I will now follow that up with a break down by each order. Windrunners have a command of flight that would make even the most talented mistborn green with envy, reverse lashings are strong enough to pull bullets, so they will have zero trouble with coins. Windrunners also generally attract people with high proficency with weapons, so their order will have a large number of people able to overcome Atium. And if they can figure out how to reproduce Kal's trick of manipulating air pressure, then they can use an invisible attack(meaning atium won't give warning) by quickly dropping air pressure and causing the mistborn to pass out. Skybreakers have similar commands of the skies, while also possesing division, enabling them to burn anyone even close to them to a crisp. I don't care how much atium a Mistborn is burning, they can't dodge a cloud of smoke a flame extending five feet out in all directions. Dustbringers are one of the orders we have seen the least from, but they can burn rock itself, anything that gets within their range is going up in smoke. They can't fly, but abrasion gives them just as much mobility, and burning a mistborns anchors will force them to the ground. Nothing can really touch them as with a combination of their surges anything that hits them will slide off as it has no friction, while also breaking apart at the molecular level. Edgedancers are more suited for feild medics, but they have a nasty bag of tricks to use. Abrasion makes them almost impossible to hit, and also increadibly fast. Progression gives them increased healing even next to other orders and a weapon. By using growth on vinebud seeds specifically cultivated for this purpose, they can entangle a mistborn in plants, trapping them without a fight. Atium is good but it can't help you dodge from hundreds of pounds of plant matter coming at you in a missive wall. Truthwatchers are generally considered one of the least intimidating radiants from a combat persepective. Anyone who tells you this isn't thinking about it. As shown above Truthwatchers can see the future, they are outright immune to Atium. And they can grow massive vine walls to entrap their opponents, while also having an increadible healing factor. Also they can make lasers and cut anyone they fight in half with them. Lightweavers have the intresting ability of naturally hiding themselves from investiture detection as we see in the Kholinar invasion. However I don't think that will be that much of an advantage, really what Lightweavers want to do is just soulcast their opponents or use lasers. Elsecallers are one of the four orders I would say could theoretically beat a Fullborn. Soulcasting is a dnagerous art unto itself, just soulcast the air around your opponent into molten aluminum and watch as it burns through their skin and kills them because they can't heal from it. But not only that Elsecallers can do that while sitting in another realm of reality. Honestly the only way to kill a prepared Elsecaller is to have a way to travel the realms, otherwise pray they don't want to kill you. Willshapers are the second order that may be able to take a fullborn. The fact that cohesion can make nukes is just insane to me, as long as the radiant stays out of the heavy damage zone, they can just blow their opponent to shreds while they stay safe inside their plate. And not only that but they can make stone walls to protect them from incoming attacks, sink Mistborn's coins, and travel between the realms and these are a seriously deadly order. Stonewards are the third order that can take fullborn on. Not only will a large number of them be able to overcome atium, but they can make nukes, increase their physical strength, form stone shelters, sink mistborn anchors, and so much more. Talnelat knew what he was doing picking this order. Bondsmiths are probably the most broken powerset we have seen from the published cosmere bar none, fullborn included. Not only do they get practically infinate investiture they have a perpedicularity, a way to physically strengthen themselves, the ability to modify other radiants surges, and admin powers to people's souls. Of all the powers in the cosmere this is the one that scares me the most.

Awakened objects will reach a point and then not lose breath. Now Nightblood an returned can still consume them, but standard awakening they are going to stick around. So why can we not count the highstorm and SR as part of the system?

If the machine works forever, and will provide energy with no interaction once completed what do you call that other than perpetual motion? They last.

Well returned also autoheal at all times, they are the odd ones out in that reguard.

I suppose it would depend on the origin of the injury, and the nature of how they returned. If they remember their history then their preception will play a role, but if not then: If someone had a genetic disease, then it would likely be spiritual in nature and would remain, but if it was just a physical injury then it would probably heal.

*Salutes the absence of one of the Greats* Goodbye my friend. Until we meet again.

Only in this case stormlight will always be renewed, it isn't depended on the sun. Even if Roshar were destroyed Honor's investiture would still leak out into the physical realm. What gives you that Idea?