Rorzikel

Elithanathile

From a post I made earlier.

Seems unlikely to me, but we’ll see.

Assuming his thoughts haven't changed, thunderclasts are modeled on but not chasmfiends or other greatshells. (Second wob is clearest) Now RoW has shown us rather clearly that Brandon can change his mind on wobs so I wouldn't give up your theory just yet, but I do think there's evidence that for a number of year Brandon has been thinking in a different direction.

Let's also remember though that pre-RoW wobs are full of lies and deceit.* *(More likely Brandon is just telling a good story and can't be locked down by statements said in a signing line years ago) Ah yes Brandon nothing codified about Adhesion in the magic system like, say, "The Truest Surge of Honor that is only of Honor and cannot be surpressed like all the other surges and which enables Kaladin to stay awake and the Windrunners to be the closest to awareness of all the orders." Progression is a little funky too, given Lift can power it but not Abrasion. Nothing special about those surges at all. Or the Mistspren, our resident Truthwatcher spren. Some people have tried to make the argument that Brandon was saying that those specific spren weren't the spren of Radiants rather than him saying they weren't Truespren, but I call bull on that. Both Brandon and the fandom are on record numerous times calling nahel bond Truespren "Radiant spren." Brandon can and does change his mind. Basically all that is to say is that Kaladin is definitely special, in my opinion, even if he wasn't intended as such originally or if Brandon was obfuscating the details earlier to lay red herrings away from future plot points.

Why are we pretending that there's a binary between Navani fetching water and building the second most dangerous weapon known to us in the cosmere after Nightblood for the enemy? Raboniel wasn't going to kick Navani to the curb if she didn't work on that one project, she didn't even task Navani to it in the first place. Every step of the way was Navani hearing Raboniel muse about her personal project and then decide to go fullbore into it, and we know from her internal narration that Navani was primarily doing it to prove that she could do it- that she couldn't control herself when given the opportunity to screw around with something astonishlingly dangerous right under the eyes of her conquerers. I think something's being forgotten in people's rush of Yas Queen! Science Gal Pals! and that is that Raboniel is a monster. It kind of actually ticks me off a great deal honestly that people are ignoring that fact. She knowingly designed and released a terrible disease that she intended to genocide the entire human species and a significant portion of her own people and only by pure chance did it merely be a catastrophe than utter extinction. I'm so sorry to hear you feel sad about your braindead daughter who you let steal some poor singer's body just to stare at walls, Raboniel, but you're a terrible, terrible person and no amount of "uwu look how sympathetic I am!" can change you from being Dr. Mengele in a crabshell. Leshwi I understand some Sympathy for the Devil but Raboniel is hot trash. Navani was being next level stupid and arrogant and we're lucky she didn't accidentally hand Odium's armies artificial shardblades and ballistic missiles to go along with a weapon that she literally says before making it could "kill a god." This is a false comparison. If Kal had been "not giving up" by deciding to fight with the Heavenly Ones because he enjoyed fighting with Leshwi too much to help himself, maybe, but let's not pretend freeing slaves or rejecting a violent past is remotely equivalent to weaponizing anti-magic as a collaborator. She wasn't being forced to work on it, but you know what she should have done if she was? Wash some clothes and rally resistance in secret.

Glad to hear that what I've said has been resonating with some people. It might have been a bit more palatable if Rlain had gotten a void-Honorspren to bond, but being a void-Truthwatcher seems tacked on to his character.

I'd like to know too given it's not in the Arcanum's wobs or in Brandon's recent Reddit comments.

Moash is really just the most genre savvy person in Stormlight. "Yep boys, classic case of protagonist syndrome, Kaladin has plot armor out the wazoo."

I've considered whether Kelsier was the vessel of Trell and that this corruption is why Trell is red. My only problem is that it would take a pretty substantial leap for Kelsier to want to destroy Scadrial I could see it however if (SotD2 spoilers)

I'm starting to think that gold is Rayse's color and that stygian violet is the base shard's. So it was his real color because he chose it and it stuck around. On the topic of the thread, this is what was said about Kal: Voidlight is described as having a discordant rhythm but so does warlight... I think Kaladin attuned the tone and rhythm of Warlight.

How I was reading it was that he is both his selves simultaneously.

It can, however, be reduced into both Likeable and Hateable, and Honorable and Dishonorable. Likeability is the difference between Moash (who we've seen kill like 5 people onscreen) and Dalinar (who burned thousands of noncombatants including children to death because he was angry). Yet we like Dalinar more because what we see onscreen biases us to like him more (protagonist bias, introduced as an good man originally, positive interactions with other characters we like) even though from both a utilitarian and deontological basis Dalinar has done far more wrong and caused far more net suffering. On the note of Honorability, the whole story has about how characters embrace true honor over a false one. Many of the Alethi have risen up against the ego-stroking, violent and flawed interpretation of honor in their culture and rejected it. Maybe so. It's certainly what Odium thought the purest form of Honor should be, removed from any restraint by a vessel, but I doubt Tanavast would approve of what he became as he slipped into a death induced madness. If Kal behaved the way Dalinar and Navani do to Syl, I'd probably have dropped the story.

I don't agree with this. Brandon's talked about magitech revolution, but that in no way guarantees a happy ending for the front half or that Todd will be thrown out in a single book. Technological progress being the future of Roshar's magic doesn't mean our heroes win or win without a grave and bitter cost because science is neither good nor evil. We could easily be shooting for a cyberpunk cold war, still locked in conflict with Odium all the way into book 10.

In terms of spren maybe if you don't do something to mess with connection the instant you let a spren outside of the aluminum box, they start snapping back to Roshar. Basically, you didn't break the rubberband, you just managed to stretch it dangerously far. Seems like a limitation Brandon would do. Otherwise it is way too easy as you say.

I assume this is what they're thinking of. Calls Odium's real color gold.

Yeah. It's hard sometimes to talk to people about it because I don't want to come off as dismissing Navani's growth, but I also really dislike the idea that a person's worth is only valid if everyone around them compromises their own ideals to support them.

The problem for me with Navani bonding the Sibling is that it seems entirely focused around Navani's journey of finding her own self-worth and railroads the Sibling into validating that journey at the expense of their very real issues about how Navani treats spren and with a heavy dose of coercement in that the Sibling has been tortured throughout the story and will be killed if they don't bond someone. I know some people don't comparing spren bonds to romantic relationships, but I'm going to do so anyways. Imagine that you are a veterinarian, you spend your time taking care of animals and advocating for their safety. One day you learn that I am running a dogfighting ring in which I am capturing and abusing dogs, you naturally hate this and with no other form of recourse you begin sending me threatening messages hoping that I'll stop. One night you are attacked by a serial killer who begins hunting you down and in the process giving you several terrible wounds, all the while you feel your inevitable death closing in. I, a man who you hate deeply, offer to save you if you date me. You say no. I say that I've been overcoming abuse from an ex and now realize that I have self-worth and that as a result you should date me. I give you no clear assurances that I'll stop dogfighting but remind you that you're going to die. You give in and we fight off the serial killer. This is Stockholm Syndrome and a hefty case of a Leonine contract at best. Like I get it. Navani is an incredibly brave woman and a genius scholar who was gaslighted terribly by an absolute piece of crem and that her refinding her confidence is inspiring and a wonderful character arc. It just feels like it's kneecapping the Sibling's agency as a way to sort of crown Navani's accomplishments, and dashed my hopes that we'd either get a Singer Bondsmith as a way of truly bridging the divide between the two sides as it shows even the greatest of roles are open to Singers or that a man like Dabbid who is mentally handicapped and overlooked and ignored almost completely like he isn't even a person can in spite of that become one Instead Dabbid is relegated back to the shadows having served his purpose as "weird guy who gets to helps Kaladin and the Sibling," Rlain finds only more proof that all the spren of Honor and Cultivation really are just anti-singer racists and that the only way he could get a spren is if a corrupted one bonds him, and yet another Kholin gets to be Radiant and make a Bondsmith power couple. Joy.

We know you could get a new resonance from using surges from honorblades or two spren so presumably you get a currently existing one of Tension and Adhesion.

Idea came from a video of David Blaine swallowing a frog, but before doing so chugging a lot of water in order to protect the frog from his stomach acid. So the thought came to me, what if a mistborn swallowed a bunch of mineral oil like the ones that protect cesium from reacting? If you had enough in you and had little flakes embedded in an amount you were drinking, you should have ettmetal floating in your stomach without risking an explosion or serious chemical reaction. No idea if drinking that much is safe in and of itself but should let you do it. *may want to be burning a bit of pewter too just in case.

Except killing gods was kind of what the previous vessel of Odium showed was rather possible. Being "practically immortal" doesn't mean much when Tanavast already got merc'd.

Read it after, it's not really relevant for RoW in my opinion. It is, however, highly, highly important for the greater cosmere if that's something you're interested in.

Honestly, I think it’s probably that Brandon knows that they’re big books separated in release dates by several years and wants to remind readers of who a minor character mentioned a few times but never actually seen onscreen is. To us it might seem obvious and stick out, but a casual reader might not even remember the name Thaidakar at all. It’s a little “As you know” exposition, yes, but I expect it’s a strategic choice made by Dragonsteel.

Agreed that it’s utterly futile against the infinite majesty of the Shards, but I do think it would be a potent tool against perpendicularities and vessels. Essentially anything that Nightblood could do (and I’m not saying that Nightblood is made of antiLight because they behave differently and I hate that theory), enough antiLight could also destroy.