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Magic that works like you might expect in a standard loosely explained magic system but it only works on other people who also have magic and has no effect on muggles.

What exactly are you trying to say here? That spren could see Szeth? They can see his weird shadow soul self that follows him around.

DM?

They volunteered instead. I am not sure how that changes anything. Kelseir directly dictated that he wanted the garrison spared in his last letter. This clearly shows that he did not thinking killing people simply because they supported the regime was a useful direction of his energies. For once I feel somewhat confident saying you a dead wrong. He clearly wanted to save his surrounded and outnumbered army. We have been over this. We have no indication that Dox and Kelseir had different views yet Dox was able to make if work with Elend when he needed to.

That does not exactly prove anything.

While things are never binary in terms of weather or not Kelsier has an option on killing them. Killing those guards is the most immediate solution that makes logical sense. Sure given time and a degree of luck he could potentially find an equally valid solution but that would very likely increase risk and take longer which also increases risk. I think your expectations are unrealistic. For myself I would for example kill conscripted soldiers if I had no other practical options and was either enslaved or being invaded. I think most nations and governments would do so as well. It would also allow them to delay armed conflict while they stole the atium and used it to bribe the Garrison thus avoiding armed conflict all together. I am referencing the title of this thread. Potentially but he also might have been spared. Even the citizen would not have done that. Kelseir's motivation at the time was to free his own prisoners. Killing garrison members on his own is not something he would have done. Elend surrendering could(and I think probably would) have worked on Kelseir just as it worked on Dox who held the same views Kelseir did.

I am not sure this would work. Regardless of the number of lashings your mass is still the same. We don't actually know weight that is what they store or not. I always assumed it was mass because Wax's gun should still push him back a lot more and he should just fall over.

That is not quite true. They can see Szeth even around the first ideal level. Some subtle stuff is happening to them even there.

I will admit that I laughed but maybe do not imply that to someone who is just getting into the series. What if they actually take you seriously?

The series is a trilogy. The next one is a sequel series that is planed to have 4 books

Thank you.

The guards are not exactly civilians. They except their job comes with a degree of risk. Would you prefer that he kills noble children or women (something he does not do instead largely limiting his killings to the worst of the noblitity)? The guards themselves are likely minor nobles. I also explained why every death has immediate tactical importance. The attack could have been better planed to kill less people but that would have taken time and quite possibly have increased risk to Kelsier personally. Even in modern intelligence networks and the military I do not think either of those would have been primary concerns. Of course this does not make Kelsier's actions less bloody but bloodless revolutions are nearly always accomplished with the help of the political elite. A third of which in this case believes it acceptable and normal behavior to rape and then kill members of the lower classes. Great point. If Kel had not killed anyone people would wonder what was going on and investigate. They might think hm. There is a strange half Skaa who is rumored to have mystical powers and claims to be able to get away with anything and does not like to kill. Kelsier's actions were successful because they were disguised as things nobles would do to each other. If he took action nobles would not during his mistborn rounds people would pay attention. This is unfortunately a quite common practice when attempting to forge a ethnic or national identity in the real world. Kelsier had to justify the deaths he believed necessary to achieve his goals. I have already noted that he did at several points make attempts to stop needless casualties. For example... I seriously doubt many revolutionaries would do such a thing. It probably should. However this is the attitude of many revolutionaries plenty of whom you might acknowledge as heroes. Calling them monstrous is at best a dangerous oversimplification. Or maybe he would have been spared because Kelseir's plan was to avoid needless military conflicts and instead target the financial structure. Clubs served on the border along with most of the military. He also would likely have been spared. Breeze would have been fine if his family abandoned the city prior to the house war the way most of the nobility were expected to and did.

Anyone with Arcanist or global moderator status should be able to take care of this.

All of them know that the odds are against them surviving into old age. That changes their outlook on the acceptableness of various risks. Besides Kelseir has pulled off the impossible on numerous occasions. He just came back from what everyone thought was a death sentence and became mistborn while he was at it.

Or maybe that he just cared less or maybe that it is harder to hide on Nalthis because only one shard resides there.

Excellent analysis. I would just also add that it you might get a bit of a problem with investiture interfering with other investiture. I don't think this will be a concern but it is worthwhile to think about. Also another concern is distance. Compounding weight and lashing for a very short distance will allow you to deliver force much faster.

Oh. In that case @Calderis @Jofwu

A large group of sharders are what we call lurkers who just like to watch without posting. How do you know that they are a flight simulator?

Unclear. Odium does not like Hoid and is willing to level a city for just a small chance of finally killing him. Hoid has also been subtle in his actions kind of and presumably he knows how to avoid shardic detection.

You would need to compound and then lash so that you do not slow down but compounding might allow you to deliver more force.

Or just that Vax looks like scadrial's CR.

I suppose that it will just cost a lot more stormlight.

Why?

Also remember Odium's hatred is not anger. "His rage does not cool." It reminds me a lot more of the dispassionate complete and utter lack of compassion that we see from dictators or perpetrators of war and genocide. The cost does not matter he just wants to keep on destroying until he gets to his goal.

We have seen perspectives from Amaram, Moash, Sadeas, Taravangain, and Lin.