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Will shape thank you.

Here is my theory if you are interested.

Then can you make updated shorlists of both?

Industrialization and the expansion of colonial empires are not related phenomena(at least they were not on earth). You previously claimed something along the lines of. "They involved similar mindsets" I demonstrated otherwise. They are still a selective group that only includes intellectuals of a moderately privileged background. Khriss actually notes that she had a hard time infiltrating them which could indicate that they guard knowledge. This is a very bad environment for research. And the intellectual, government, military, and financial problems but yeah. I see no real problems with the technology itself. I thought we agreed on this several pages ago. My point was that this was a much better understood subject. They also did not have to worry about highstorms and everstorms destroying everything if the infrastructure collapsed. Think about all the stuff that we have now. How much good would it do us if we suffered a 30% global destruction? Because the parts can be imported fairly cheaply. We have all terrain cars. They should too. If the terrain is to hard for those then they will not use trains or horses either. The horses would injure themselves and the trains tracks would take forever to build. You can make synthetic rubber out of oil fairly easily. I never said anything about aerial travel. Then I would not call them horses.

Expansion of colonial empire and industrialization. Or if you prefer eurocentrism. The age of exploration and industrialization. There is a limit to what a few individuals can accomplish working alone. Neither did inventing the atomic bomb. The theory was already well understood and had been for some time. As I have said several times the steam engine prefaced the industrial revolution by centuries. To industrialize a society you have to have larger urban centers, cheaper food, mass markets, good transportation. None of these exist or are likely to exist any time soon. None of which can exist without mass markets which simply do not exist. As to my math. Do you think that we will get more then a few thousand radiants? We have no evidence of that large a number of the correct spren at any period. Yes it did. Civilization went down to the stone age. The fact that they made faster recovery does not change the fact that for a generation at least the average person was living in systemic poverty. It kind of reminds me of the european renaissance. They had supposedly great art, scientific advancement, and new learning but the average person could not tell the difference. GDP did not really increase and most people had to work the land just like they had for the last 30 generations. Like this. If everyone still uses horses and trains then they cannot afford the fuel costs of mechanized transport. This means that they also likely cannot afford research or education and their society will not advance for many years scientifically without some very unexpected windfall or outside interference.

These I get but what about limestone for example. Are their two magic systems?

Nice poem. I would change this to loved.

I personally believe that they are the leadership of the sons of honor whose stated goals do include returning the vorin church to power. It would also make some of Gavilar's action make sense. How did he get so many talented intellectuals behind him without being able to read. How does he seem to know everything about all of the Lighteyes in his kingdom without any word on an intelligence network. How did he get famous artfabrians to build the voidspren prison stones? The ghoostblods claim they were and Heleran did manage to track them down and join them. Some people are questioning this but at least so far the story holds up.

Syl claims that Kaladin's spears had spren and she could have walked over and looked while in the CR to prove it.

The desolation is not happening because Taln broke. It is happening because Taln got bored killing fused.

Syl confirms and strictly speaking everything does have a cognitive aspect.

Well it does. "Everything has a spren." We just don't know what that spren is like.

Hm. They are changing tactics. We should carry different weapons that we have that can let us kill some of them does not seem like a difficult deduction. The reason the bridges work so well is the parshendi cultural blindspot. The find the idea of lessor people really odd. With shield walls the second rank usually put their shields overhead. Also everyone wore armor. Finally the tactic was usually used in melee not against archers.

She is super connected to preservation and she used the power at the well of ascension that attuned her to them. There is more but even Harmony by his own account does not know it.

I am pointing out that the two phenomena are not necessarily related. It is a very far hop. It is an entirely new way of doing bushiness, making goods, seeing production and manufacturing. People on Roshar now see soulcasters as mystical. Far separate from fabrials. Regardless of what anyone thinks that kind of tec really only has military applications so far. Maybe a bit in very large scale construction but I think scaffolding is better for several reasons. At any rate assuming wars remain common they are likely going to be revered pretty much for warfare. Even Navani is primarily interested in fabrails as a way to protect her family. Her holly grail seems to have been shardplate for a very long time. I mean this with respect but you vastly overestimate the capabilities of scientific understanding. The manhattan project took four years and they were working from fairly well understood science with a ton of funding and they had a lot of the best minds on the planet which were selected from a much larger group of people in a better educated population. Unless Khriss is on Roshar no one on the planet actually knows much about how the surges work or their full capabilities, the number of educated people is much smaller as is the population and given the financial crisis war and mass displacement funding research is going to be super hard. Roshar was getting close to some scientific breakthroughs prior to the desolation and thanks to the radiants they now know a bit more. However despite e=mc^2 coming out over a century ago our mass to energy capabilities are still limited to nuclear reactors and they are not pocket sized. Industrialization is similarly going to take a while. That just means that they have some money without having land. Radiance does not change much it is only available to a limited number of people and statistically only about half will be Vorin. I think he is talking about IRL wars like the thirty years war which beggared Europe for the rest of the 17th century.

This is getting way too IRL. He also is partially responsible for causing the desolation and he has made a bunch of bad decisions as a ruler. Also his entire military record.

The industrial revolution was after Europe's first colonies by several centuries. Because they are not used in industry due to costs, scientific inability, and the fact that no one has yet thought of it. Governments are not the same as mass markets. In fact the boom and bust of empires in terms of desire and ability to finance wars is not a good climate for opening a business. But no one is doing it. You know what a sowing machine is, how it works, and what it is supposed to do. The fact that something is possible does not mean anyone will come up with it. Hank Green seems to have invented 2d glasses despite high demand and the fact that the way they work are easily understood and commonly known and the demand for them started in the 1950s. Also it simply might not be cost effective yet and making it so will take time and capital investment. From what we know of fabrail mechanics yeah. Pairing is one of the basic kinds of fabrials. What you are proposing even with your sowing machine design would take more moving parts(this is always a problem with mechines) and require another layer of adjustability. We do not even know how that works. Exactly. By the end of the war you might be getting somewhere with luxury items that are too expensive for anyone but the government and really rich people like the early car. For your information it took almost 50 years to go from the from the first expensive German automobiles to the readily available model T.

Sadly I have no lasor printer and more importantly I am worried about visibility.

Great thought. What do you mean printing a pattern on it?

The Shin have the Honorblades and a lot of other really weird stuff going on. It has been theorized that they have all or a lot of the left over shards and are hiding them for now. Many hundreds of shards are unaccounted for.

The ones Navani is currently building are too expensive. Each one has to be carefully handcrafted by several experts. She gives one as a gift to a king. Similarly a new technology like an airship will most likely be too expensive for ordinary people to afford especially considering the fact that way to many people on Roshar can't really afford anything. No one we know has invented a swearing machine and no one we know has made a sewing machine factory. I meant a good 30 years ish and that is for a pretty simple and obviously useful invention. Almost no one on Roshar has the money to buy a car even if someone figured out how to make one. That is why I keep saying this will take at least two generations. The population needs to build up wealth and know how. Both hardware and software as some economists all them. Specifically ones that helped industrialization?

Nightblood can kill just about anything. He has killed fused. I don't think shades are much of a challenge by comparison.

None of your business. Elections should not be won or lost based on childhood experiences and yes and maybe to your other questions. Moash is dead.

Nothing. Adonalsium contains all things.

Yes but the specific areas around that wound are not working.