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More then this. Any two much ups would be awesome.

I mean it makes way more sense then almost any other theory we have for what is going on. It might be slightly more or less complicated then this but that is the prevailing opinion on what is happening to the best of my knowledge. That ninja was rather weird but "great minds."

I think we can both agree that it is per-industrialization. Pretty much any society that is pre-industiail is going to industrialize at some point in the future if it is left to itself and does not blow itself. Saying that it is in the "process of industrializing" therefor does not mean much either but we are clearly not making progress in this discussion and we have kind of derailed this thread so I think it is agreeable for both of us to call it quits.

That WoB just says industrializing. That could easily refer to Proto-industrialization which is the regional development, alongside commercial agriculture, of rural handicraft production for external markets.[1] The term was introduced in the early 1970s by economic historians who argued that such developments in parts of Europe between the 16th and 19th centuries... That does not really mean anything. These WoBs are counter examples. Seem like as good counterexamples.

Most of them. I highly doubt Navani's team is representative and that was a smarter day Taravangian. I think if you try and time it with five friends you will notice some problems with communication and timing. Also a paper airplane is considerably simpler then even a basic assembly line for lumber manufacturing. They are not believable. Cars require building roads anyway. Referncing that the concept of the animal is horse derived. Would you call say superman human? He still has human in the name looks like a human and is capable of the same things as all humans. However if I said that an entire economy was supported by the manual laborers of kyptonians but called them humans you might take issue with that statement. Not at all. I use the scientific method. If new relevant evidence shows up I must be prepared to alter my current conclusions. Because that is generally excepted as a reasonable method of arguing a point? I am not going to be convinced by something that just "makes sense" to you that is not backed up by evidence that I can independently verify is even worth considering.

I doubt that was the hierocracy.

And act like they do at which point the difference is minimal. He did not predict Hrathen and I do not think that they were acting under orders is my understanding.

Not really. It can be coercive but when you get down to it the people involved have to agree with the dominator. I think he predicted the opposite. That they would succeed. That is the problem of future sight reliance.

Renarin was able to where the plate no problem so the issue does not seem to extend in that direction. This indicates that Dalinar could just borrow someone's if he needs to.

Ruin is about breaking things down. Dominion is about getting someone to agree with you and serve you willingly. In the future they might make more but up until now they have not needed to. The powers might not manifest a nice off switch. They may have countermeasures but I doubt they are full proof(nothing ever is).

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With Hemalurgy you need to have intent while stabbing. However if a person is unwilling no number of people can overwhelm their intent. You cannot make somone preform hemalurgy without mind controlling them. Elantrians have not been a problem until recently and then they were not a problem anymore. We know of no other group of comparably powered people that they have to deal with. If you expand the number of people too much you are going to make a mistake and Dilaf in his youth actually betrayed the cause. Imagine what he could do working for the enemy.

So far we have only seen willing ones. That is generally not how intent works. Dilaf was super effective. If he had been supported by another one or two people like him he might have won but that beyond that why bother? Also how do you keep control of such people?

We don't know if unwilling sacrifices will work. Also how often do you think this ability is needed?

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I have this image of an era 3 Marasi who has super used cadmium way too much but is still really old. She would be a great character to have around. This 102 year old lady who is like 170 and still caries a revolver in her handbag as she walks to work at the bureau of communications.

No but human reproduction and fanatical monk requirement must both be rather slow.

We don't know what most of them are doing. The people we know are probably not representative and even with solid verifiable science in existence alchemy still hung around for a good century. We have no evidence that the Heralds know much about fabrials. Navani even notes that Urithiru fabrails were below her expectations. Can you use this method to make a paper airplane significantly faster or more efficiently then you by yourself can do by hand? To make the horse good enough that it beets out the car everywhere on the planet as the transportation method of choice yes. You could call them horses but it would not be accurate. Neo-horses would be the typical SF convention. There could be some really weird stuff happening on Roshar that we don't know about that I have not taken into consideration however from what we know of the planet now they lack elements associated with industrialization. You have made several points to the contrary but I am afraid the evidence that you offer is not backed by enough empirical proof for me to find it compelling. Basically while you may find it self consistent I do feel your logic to be penetrating. Noticeably not an industrial one. You dislike the method of argument?

Also describes alchemists I am afraid. This https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alchemy#Medieval_Europe goes into more detail but alchemists got government funding and were involved in real sometimes useful sometimes useless projects. Entrepreneurial opportunities were common for the alchemists of Renaissance Europe. Alchemists were contracted by the elite for practical purposes related to mining, medical services, and the production of chemicals, medicines, metals, and gemstones but also for angel summoning, divination, and as astrology. Can you tell me how to make a ford assembly line? I am not talking generalities either I mean could you set one up? Weather or not knowlege exists is often a different question from weather or not that knowledge has people that can actually use it. This is why educating your population is important for industrialization. If the necessary knowledge is only usable by a few elites it can not be used. If their horses are that good then they are not horses. Also horses are difficult to care for, have to be exercised, fed and die of old age. If they are that good then I seriously doubt it. Yes except your scenario does not hold up to present data. Maybe future data will vindicate you but that does not make you correct currently. It was an exaggerated analogy of what could happen but what I will not think about right now.

Fun topic I have wanted to do one of these for a while Maybe. Alternatively a fabrial of the right spren that mimics stormform could work. You could also get the spren of the everstorm to promise to turn around and go the other way. With enough stormlight Szeth and Nightblood could almost certainly kill it(those were my initial thoughts). Technically yes but that might be very very large group with an even larger amount of stormlight. Not if they start bringing new parshmen to that open water. You just made a less mobile respon point. In theory. Also in theory although I am not sure how many larkin would approve of the all void diet. How would this work. Some ones that we have not considered. Maybe Dalinar could get it to just stand still by binding it to a location. Maybe he could bind it to braize by an oathpact 2.0. Maybe you could just shift it with stormform fabrails telling it to not do its thing this round but instead just pass in peace. Maybe Lift will challenge it to a waffle eating contest.

The industrial revolution was after Europe's first colonies by several centuries. This quote from the arcanum reminds me a lot of alchemists. We still have no idea how they managed some of the stuff that they did (Greek fire for example) and it took centuries for the practice to turn into modern chemistry. To this day they are regarded as one of the worst scientific communities in human history as without anyone being able to independently verify the results of their experiments or question what they meant the entire practice dissolved into mysticism. They appear to be ready to start lifting the veil on how they do things but it is going to take a while for this information to become generally known and understood. I did not you did. You responded to this quote So you are agreeing with me sorta? It is not the tech itself, but the innovations in employing said tech. This part I disagree, all those things developed along side industrialization. Yes actually. The Ford assembly line(kind of the gold standard) took years to develop and it took another decade for it to become a standard worldwide phenomena. I am glad you brought up solar power. It could clearly be used to fuel our industry and commerce and lighting but is not. Their are a bunch of reasons. One is that it is expensive. Another is that some local governments make policies against it. Another is that the workforce that would maintain such a system just has not been trained yet. With labor shortages most people will probably just do what they can to produce enough food locally. I doubt that they will be able to produce the right kind of gemstones locally or how experts turn them into fabrails or move fabrails easily from one place to another. This implies that they have heavy industry. If that is true they should be able to shape the landscape to add roads and as such should have cars. If they have this kind of tec they can build roads just as easily as train tracks and would have done so. https://www.ehow.com/about_6596398_pvc-vs_-nitrile-gloves.html Rubber substitutes are not that hard. You can make them out of rock if you want to. No they are animals of burden. If pigs have wings then they are pidgins. Also what you are doing is called GIGO(garbage in garbage out). If you feed me incomplete data my answers will be similarly incomplete. Could Sanderson come up with some completely wild spren that increases intelligence of everyone and gives them the know how to solve all their problems? Of course! I am still not going to take such a thing into consideration because it has not happened yet.

You are immune to depression and emotional allomancy, you can theoretically use other people's metalminds, and worldhopping is going to be a lot of fun(you can run through Threnody!).

Twilight. Big copy at the library and a really bad recommendation. I could not believe that humans actually subjected themselves to it.

It costs lives to get that ability.