Turin Turambar

Oh - thanks. I missed that.

The title really says it all - who is he? What's his backstory? Personal theory says that he's sort of like Noal - one of the hero's of the horn, but what do you all think?

cool

I feel like a Mat.

I meant how Pevara is a red in mentality, and actually ends up liking a man who can channel.

I'm still going to vote Androl and Pevara as the best relationship. Nynaeve and Lan are OK, but not amazing.

Sweet!

All I can say is: It's gonna take a while. It's something like 4.4 Million words. (At least, that's what I heard.) And all the better for it. More to enjoy.

Spoilers Ahead: Ok, I didn't want to resurrect a dead topic because I remembered and vaguely recall something about not doing that, So I wanted to create a new thread about everyone's least and most favorite characters. I love: Mat - Best character of WoT, if not ever. Not much more to say. Rand - He's great, other than 2 problems. 1 He's the main character, and I personally don't let myself chose the main character as a favorite. 2 He's so moody in the late middle books oh I have to die so I can do whatever. Androl and Pevara - I'm listing them together for obvious reasons. Their relationship is the only interesting one (for me) in the entire series. Circumstance might have something to do with it. I hate: Most of the girls. No offence to all the women out there intended AT ALL. Especially all the Aes Sedai. Brandon mentioned that there was some gender role manipulation, but I can now sympathize whatever gender discrimination now. Aes Sedai - They all think that they're the only ones that know what are going on, and the White Tower is perfect, and everyone should bow to Aes Sedai whims because Aes Sedai knows best. Perrin - Just boring. I mentioned him because so many people love him. What about everyone else?

@WhiteEmporer Do you have a cardsmith account? (I want to see your ideas)

Does anyone else see parts of D'naa in both Shallan and even more in Vin? (Especially in Vin - they both are described similarly.)

Thanks - that answer that issue. I didn't know that.

they bend the pattern around them - so what you're trying to say is that the pattern wove itself to their "whims" until it wove them back to the pattern's whims?

Is this still a running thing?

On that topic - how is it even possible to "burn out" from being a ta'veren? That wasn't set up at all - so how did that happen?

Shoot. I don't suppose that it was possible to leave my innocent bliss?

Perhaps - Perrin said that he thought that the three of them were no longer Ta'veren.

So if life and death are "good," wouldn't bad be stasis?

Fair. So whose domain is death? That tends to be a "dark" power.

When Rand was talking to the Dark One in the end, he said (and this is going to be an awful misquote) "You aren't the lord of death - you never were. Death is not your domain. Yours is lies. You can't grant oblivion." It sounds like he's not omnipotent, and that makes me think of a pantheon. You're right though, I forgot the One Power. It's strange, though, that the creator has both Saidin and Saidar, which are in effect the same system but for male and female, but the Dark One has but one, gender irrelevant system.

So there are actually multiple magic systems apparent in WoT. I'm going to list them, and if anyone want to add, I guess that's what the comments are for. A. Saidin - the male half of the source. B. Saidar - the female half of the source. I think they're two distinct things. I can't really explain why, but they're like the good yin-yang sort of thing. C. Tel-aran-rhiod - world of dreams. This is also the wolf realm. It's possible that Randland is just a really strong dream shard or whatever they are called in the world of dreams. I think this is possible because in the novels they mention a few times alternate dimensions, and other people fighting the last battle. Also I suspect that the Aelfin and their pair may exist in an alternate realm here. D. The Pattern - this sort of drives time and people. It's a really important thing. E. The Creator and the Dark One. - Ok, this is going to get tricky. My theory is that it was actually a pantheon, with multiple dieties. Perhaps the dark one killed off his peers, or they still exist and just aren't interacting with the world. As for the creator, maybe he's just a good diety, perhaps it's an Eru-Valar situation, perhaps the creator is equivalent to Zeus or Chronos to use Greek mythology examples. F. I'm sure I missed stuff. Tell me if I missed anything, and what do you think of my theory of the Dark One.

Yup. Even if I didn't though, I like spoilers. That's what prompted the question.