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But the forms have different songs. Stormform taught Eshonai new songs. Imprisoning her voidspren returned Venli the old songs. How would this be possible if the ability to sing songs didn't come from spren bonds? So it seems to me that the lack of songs was terrible enough to a Listener to be mentioned, but still a necessary consequence of lacking a spren bond.

He has to accept the offer. Sure. But it will be made often. And again I am afraid I will have to point out the obvious. Kaladin will be 21 or so starting Book 4. And some of these women will be pretty and they will genuinely find him heroic and atttractive. Furthermore we have Dalinar and Jasnah. Vorin society is set up so that it is more or less impossible for a professional man to be a bachelor. And they have an interest to bind the Windrunners to Alethkar or prevent an unpleasant surprise. Actually Dalinar's first target may be Teft. But the notion will exist. There will be, well, dinner parties or the Alethi equivalent thereof. Challenge his racism for once (or do you call that ocularism), as soon as they look each other in the eyes, if you go for character development. Your points have merit, but they are not the only points to be made. We just cannot look at Roshar and use the criteria of an emotionally healthy 21st century western relationship on Roshar. I am sorry, but that is anachronistic, hopelessly so. For once none of the participants would be emotionally healthy. And these people are just not western. Not even literally. We need more Jane Austen or War of the Roses. And these are not normal times. So we also need more Thirty Years War, too. And a bit more Jasnah as a Borgia. She knows these points. And so does Dalinar. He has been dealing with young men and military officers for decades. You pick a young widow with some spirit, who likes to talk back, from northern Alethkar and a small child that needs protection. And then you assign her to the Windrunners as a secretary. That's what I would do. And I am not a general with experience in such things.

Run forever. With the breath fully recoverable. The Metallic Arts can break conservation of energy, but you have to jump through some hoops. They can do anything mechanic systems can do. Now there is an issue. The questions of which magic you could build an industrial civilization on and which magic could add most to an industrial economy are distinct. Awakening is better at the first. The second could be argued. I am not sure we know enough. Awakening can make a shard blade. Presumably also a healing fabrial. What other strange effects lurk in it? Now it is true that Scadrial makes a huge advance in combing its magic powers through technology. But that is because it gains a capability that Awakening and AonDor had since inception.

Can an aircraft fly? You can build a BioChroma engine. Unknown. Can you make a shard blade based on the metallic arts or a tentacle out of textile? Now, it is true that temporal allomancy and iron feruchemy allow the manipulation of some pretty fundamental forces. But so does Nightblood. They are just different. It lacks any capability for automation or autonomy. A BioChroma object can be sentient if you really need it to be and can pay the cost. BioChroma is slower. But it lasts potentiallly forever. As do its users. Build a BioChroma electrical powerplant. If it takes a few thousand breaths to build one that can power a city, who cares if a million people live in that city. But you can get them back. It is true that BioChroma is not useful on an individual basis. But we are talking about building a technological society. Flying ships. Which are impressive because they fly. A Mistborn is impressive because he can fight a small army. Metallic arts are great on an individual basis. But do they scale?

He does. He just doesn't care. Marsh asked. Yes. If you asked himself whether he was good, he would tell you that he is Skaa. There is no absolute good or evil. Whose side are you on? That is the question. He hates the nobility and for good reason, but he is honest enough to admit that if he were a noble Mistborn, he would see things differently.

Some of them, those that robbed the granary, were in warform. That form requires a spren. Dullform is distinct from the Parshmen, albeit similar. It cannot reproduce and it is a bit more intelligent.

Yes. However, it is based on a human component. It is by no means unique in that. Yet calling it darker than, for example, AonDor, is a case you can easily make. It is just calling it darkest of the dark, where things get strange. It is very hard to see how you would get nicrosil feruchemy without either a full feruchemist or hemalurgy. And all the bands use nicrosil. Lastly, the potential of hemalurgy may very well be unknown, as well as untapped. How far can you alter an organism? Hemalurgic immortality? Telepathy?

Close to mass murder and treason actually. I don't understand why Vasher is so adored. Frankly the man is a peacenik terrorist, who kills his friends for political reasons. Exactly. It would also work if you tortured them into giving up their breath. Or got them high on drugs. Paying them is just the simplest way.

All of them. In terms of versatility Awakening is unbeatable by anything but AonDor. It contains the seeds of many magic sytems in it. The Metallic Arts (save Hemalurgy - which includes biomodifications) have some clearly defined powers, so far incombinable. And all of them are without intrinsic control. Whereas an animated object gains a limited form of intelligence, muscle power and sense organs. How else would pieces of cloth see how you fight and copy you? In addition animated objects themselves can perform magic operations, like Azure's blade or indeed Nightblood. Well, it is just obvious that you could breed a Mistborn a Feruchemist. That idea will pop up again and again on Scadrial.

If they want to have normal intelligence they need to bond a spren. That spren has to come out of the wild. In fact Eshonai's mother mentioned a ceremony of first bonding. This can literally be her first bonding and Singer children grow up sprenlessly or it is her first independent transformation and her mother attracted her first spren prenatally, which makes a certain sense, if she had to stay in mate form. Do Singers need to stay in mateform to reproduce or does only insemination require that? Yet the spren do not breed together with the Singers. And that raises a question. How many Singers can there be before they run out of Spren? And which forms would become scarce first? Did Singer cities compete for spren? Did they try to encourage animal spren to reproduce?

How do you disguise a Steel Inquisitor? In a densely populated city full of Skaa? There were a lot of nobility present. What would any sensible Smoker or Mistborn do to escape that painful emotional allomancy? Exactly, burn copper. Finding a copper cloud is useless by itself. You have to find illegitimate copperclouds. Add to that all the Tineyes who want to see where each drop of blood lands and the emotional allomancers who want to aid their family. Good luck sorting through that.

Exactly the kind of man you want during a Desolation. Why do you think Evi was given to Dalinar? And that was without doomsday having begun. This isn't politics. Not primarily. It is about keeping eating and not being run through with a Singer spear. If your daughter can get a Lighteyes, even better. Unmarried Knights Radiant you could realistically hope to marry your daughter to? With an estate to consider, if there will be an end to the war? Teft and Lopen maybe. One an addict the other ... Lopen. Look at a Syrian refugee camp. Or a Rohingya camp. Or ... Practical observation says the exact opposite. Time is running out. You'll make deals you'd hesitate to do in normal times.

You may call me hopelessly unromantic. Kaladin is now a landed holder of a title, albeit in exile. He resides in a practically impenetrable fortress. There are a lot of gentry on the run. There will be people who will offer him their daughters or themselves as in recent widows.

But the extra lines reduce that effect. Interaction happened between a Bondsmith and a Lightweaver. If this idea is to have merit we would have to assume that the opposite applies. They cannot interact in a special way.

An illusion is by nature a lie. You see something that is not there. I wouldn't put too much emphasis on the wording. Now, even if Renarin could show only truths, he should be able to reproduce something he is looking at. Yet he failed. We also saw a Fused, who should only have the one Surge use an illusion. All indications are that if you have Illumination you can create illusions. Somebody without eidetic memory may have to look at a model, but it should work. Yet Renarin keeps failing. It looks like with Glys being corrupted Renarin traded a Surge for a "Voidsurge". He can see pictures of the future, which is an ability loosely related to making pictures.

You can use up your undesirables. It is unlikely to be random chance that Kaladin's group of Singers was sent on a suicide mission against shard bearers. The Fused need willing volunteers.

Time. They Are still working to deploy. Image. The Fused are not invincible. Madness. Too any rebirths are bad. Eventually they would run out of Singers. They have the same problem. Projectiles from rooofs, a shooter behind every window potentially. (Scadrial) They fought for a small fraction of their whole life time. And that was thousands of years ago. They'd also faced the forces Elhokar gathered.

By that logic you should choose AonDor.

Ehm, it would be more symmetric.

So she thinks that Vasher, who made Nightblood, who has centuries of experience (maybe more than a millenium at that point) with awakening, who is a Returned, failed to retrieve Nightblood, but she has a chance? That sounds slightly implausible.

We have never learned what makes a metal a metal for the purpose of allomancy. The only evidence we have is negative. It is not electrical conductivity. You cannot push on saltwater (or corpses for that matter). So a plasma may or may not count.

Everybody who likes to be alone at some time and not being watched in the bathroom.

Something Kaladin could not have known. Now, I am not going tro defend Elhokar's mission planning. Too many divergent objectives. Too complicated a plan. Nevertheless, Kaladin failed independent of that. The Fused never tried to take the wall. For a good reason. They would have lost people fighting in close quarters. They could have destroyed at least parts of the city, dropping fire bombs and by other means, but not take it. They would have needed to land. And then they'd be at a servere disadvantage, Yes, but the Fused did not have a free hand in the timing. They are Knights Radiant. They can fly or teleport away. Their mission was doomed, they themselves potentially had options.

They may share the secondary spren used in connection with the plate.

Why? She would increase the ambient pressure on herself.