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How would he avoid killing the whole rest of the plants and thus the ecology? It would seem to me that the sunless state is temporary. And why would Taravangian need to pressure Singers into his armies? Singers ultimately depend on Roshar. No forms, no Singers. And his intended warlord is the semispren of a human and he put a Singer friendly to humans in charge. That indicates to me that he plans to integrate both species into his armed forces. And on the gripping hand, the simplest and safest way for the rest of the Cosmere of dealing with Retribution is to take out his power base. I am sorry, but logic should point Jasnah to collaboration, just as it did for Fen.

So Jasnah Kholin, the ultimate realist, ready to do genocide and murder Heralds, is supposed to trust some people who operate without the aid of a Shard to pull that off? Trust it, knowing that failure would doom the Rosharan ecology? Something which there is no precedent for? Something the other side would absolutely try to prevent? It would also mean that she agrees to a plan that would destroy a lot of the infrastructure built for the conditions of the Everstorm since the Night of Sorrows. And frankly, what would she gain? This is the main question nobody ever answers. What is Jasnah's motivation for effectively seeking to restart the war? A war they lost in the first place. Furthermore why would she thwart a plan her uncle, who did have access to a Shard at the time, died to implement? Dalinar sacrificed himself so that somebody else, not the Rosharans, would need to deal with Retribution. Why?

This fails the most major prerequisite - a reason. Why would Jasnah seek to confront a di-Shard without any Shards on her side? After the Fused will have years to establish Singer civilization? After her coalition has fractured? At the cost of many of the Knights Radiant seeing her as an oathbreaker, if she does so? At the risk of destroying the only source of Investiture left to Roshar's ecology? In other words, she'd have to be desperate to confront Retribution. Hence her behavior is most likely totally shaped by the source of her despair.

Will Roshar drop spheres as currency, now that you can no longer show that they are genuine gem stones by charging them with stormlight? Are soulcasters usable with warlight? Or will Fused and Regals infuse spheres with warlight?

I must say that non-Cosmere stuff reads differently. I read the Reckoners without a pause because I wanted the relevations. But I have no interest in rereading them, whereas rereading Cosmere is fun. So, if you are ready for something different, read them, but be aware that they are not an alternate version of the Cosmere.

Yesterday I watched Shardcast. Yet the crew - big shoutout to them - took it as selfevident that the people killing Adonalsium acted in some kind of conspiracy. To be blunt, this makes no sense to me. The godkillers were a very diverse group including two dragons. Except for Tanavast they also seem to have come from a fairly sophisticated background. One of them is described as kind man. Another was quite nasty even prior to his ascension. What made them do it? This group does not look like a group that would spontaneously form in order to play board games and one day decide to kill a god. Such an undertaking sounds quite risky to me. The power? Maybe, but two of them were dragons. No, I think we have to assume that they had a good point and thus were not the only ones to have less than a completely positive attitude towards Adonalsium. In other words isn't it much likelier that at the time the dominant attitude towards the The Shattering was: good riddance? They may have come to regret it, but regret after the fact actually seeing previously unknown consequences is not exactly uncommon.

I'd say that Retribution has left, meaning that Jasnah will find nobody to negotiate with. On the side of the Singers you may argue that either The Nine or El are in charge. Nor would I assume that the awakened Singers are ready to let the Fused rule forever. In fact, them growing up faster than humans there will be a new generation, which has never known slavery, very soon. And let's not forget that Ba-Ado-Mishram is free now. I doubt that she's entirely happy that Taravangian is human. Yet none of them will put a human in an overall position of power. Hence I think it is more likely that Jasnah will kind of form an organization like - for lack of a better comparison - the Justice League, The Watchmen or Professor Xavier's school in order to be a reminder that the humans have some muscle, if the terms of the treaty are violated or humans are mistreated too badly. But she will not want to keep fighting, if she can avoid it. What would she fight for? How would she do that? At least a sizable minority among the people in Urithiru and - more important - among the Knights Radiant will consider themselves defeated and hence bound by the terms of a peace treaty. She'd fracture the Knights Radiant even more. Smuggling people out into the lands allied to Retribution, but still under human control (she will cooperate with Queen Fen), get more budding Radiants to Urithiru, explore the wider Cosmere for allies, negotiate with the Unmade and improve relations with the Spren including Wind and Truth will all help to improve their position rather than restart a hopeless war. For the Cosmere as a whole you can argue that. For human Rosharans, well, no. They are bearing the costs of Dalinar's solution. If you were an Alethi refugee in Urithiru, you'd see your homeland lost, your relatives toiling under Fused overlords, you or your close relatives may have bled or even died in the war, yet Dalinar refused to kill his grandson who had taken up arms against the realm and even mankind? While you were on the frontlines fighting other humans on Odium's side who were merely following orders? Go to a widow with small children whose husband fell at Narak and tell her that it is good that Dalinar avoided killing his grandson. They will consider this a defeat and even a betrayal. Aladar and Teshav outright say it to Renarin and Jasnah's face. About their father respectively uncle. To people who could materialize a blade they have no defense against. Jasnah herself believes him to have failed. She needs to keep things together. She may see herself forced to put the blame on Dalinar.

The problem is international shipping. Normal shipping to Europe is 30$. That takes a long time. So we'd face shipping costs of 45$ (expedited rates) for a 20$ book.

True. I must say that this hits the problem on the head. And it looked unforced at that. They could just have found out that Taravangian would have demanded that the Azish surrender or he would have destroyed the city and executed all civilians.

It seems to me that the decisive factor is the crystal structure. The difference between iron and steel is very small in terms of composition. It is definitely not the element itself. Mud and clay are made mostly from aluminium and oxygen in terms of composition.

No desolations without the Oathpact. Also no heralds to copy without it. I mean if something last for over 4000 years, it is kind of a resolution. The proposed contest of champions would have yielded a result lasting less than a quarter of that. But the bears have quite reasonable a reason for their actions. They want to eat your food. The shades react to arbitrary triggers. But there is a collection of religious texts that define what you are allowed to do, namely whether you are allowed to learn to read.

Fair point. I would counter that the rules of other arcane arts (Sel being another exception) are the kind of rules you'd expect laws of nature to follow. The Simple Rules of Threnody are not. In that case I have to point out the Stormlight Archive exists only due to the specific mechanics of the Oathpact.

If they are very fast for Christmas of 2029. Likelier 2030 or even 2031.

Shadows for Silence in the Forests of Hell. You can club people to death as long as you trap the blood in a bag. The whole story depends on following the rules to the letter disregarding the spirit of the letter.

No. The trend seems to be to the Shards mattering less and less. The Unoathed are rising on Roshar. Technology allows more usage of the wild card in the magic. Imagine what a hemalurgist who has a computational model of a spirit web can do. The Cosmere is going softer, if you will. White Sand had a procedural question about how votes are to be done as a central element of the plot. Shades are literally about rules. So, no, I am afraid this is just factually not correct.

I always assumed that TLR was using more subtle means to prevent this, like you'd find that you lose all bidings for public contracts when you are too blatant with such things. Hence only the most powerful got away with it.

Use some of the remaining Stormform to return a few Fused. Then use the Shattered Plains as the core of a nation to be built and strengthen it over a few generations. Then he could try again.

You will not like this, but not necessarily. Secondly, not in a movie. In fact I would argue that slavery is inevitable under some economic conditions. Suppose starvation and famine are common. Now further suppose you get into a situation where you have to take prisoners, like after a crime or after a battle. Then what do you do? Do you want to feed criminals in prisons or prisoners of war while innocent citizens are starving to death? You will not. So what are you alternatives? You cannot let them go. You cannot just kill them. Nobody would ever surrender to you anymore. You can go to corporal punishment for criminals, but that is unlikely to be a general solution. This leaves you with enslavement. So no, you cannot expect people unfamiliar with the setting and left only with limited time to just accept that TFE is irredeemable without really showing it. True, but it has to work for the whole movie. True, but do you really want to show a scar from a castration on screen? I would really not go there. That will not be obvious to a viewer. And you will have to show the legend of TLR saving the world to foreshadow further movies. And that will raise the obvious question: Are we looking at something that is necessary due to circumstances TLR is keeping secret? Removing Elend Venture is a bit too far. That would no longer be a Mistborn movie. That won't do. You need to justify that Luthadel is revolting. That will work for some people. For others this will just show that TLR had to break some eggs to unify Scadrial and defeat the Deepness, or whatever it will be called. You are not wrong, but I think you would make it worse in the long run. IMHO the Mistborn series (not The Final Empire) is built on a collision of two issues Destroying the empire and killing TLR are morally speaking correct actions, in fact the only correct choices TLR was indeed protecting Scadrial from an evil god That conundrum is embodied in the person of Kelsier. If you lower the stakes you turn him into an ordinary imperialist, as opposed to a man who can with full justification say that the gods themselves betrayed him.

To a certain extent it is possible . You can do a shot from close to an elevated platform and show up ony the axes going up and down and the fountains slowly turning red with blood. You combine that with a close up of the crew members and stuff like that. I'd say that in a case like that you need to follow the logic of the story. You need as TV Tropes puts it to get the "Godzilla Threshold" to be crossed. Like in Star Wars you needed to blow up Alderaan. You have to remove any reasonable doubt about the justifiability of Kelsier's actions.

All of them would. The next house war would wipe out those who don't, as they would be outnumbered. He is also necessary to uphold it. That changes the power dynamics. Therefore seeing Mistborn as a revolution against an aristocratic regime is just wrong. It is an uprising against a theocratic monarchy. The revolution even preserves the aristocracy, their priviledges, which are arguably even increased in the political realm under Elend's constitution, and the economic structure. Yes, but there is no point in keeping freedom, if the end of the world comes within a few months of keeping that freedom. Nor can you just leave this out if you want to turn the Cosmere into a cinematic universe. Movies about the fallout of revolutions have been made. Shows are being made about it. Movies about the end of the world in a contest between gods not so many. For the Cosmere at large you need The story of Preservation, Ruin and Harmony Kelsier's continuation and cult The Catacendre and remaking of the world The Hero of Ages is much more significant than The Well of Ascension to the Cosmere as a whole. In fact I don't think that in a movie you have the option of doing Secret History separately. It would repeat a story already told. Nor can we be sure that we can get three, let alone four Mistborn movies out Era 1. Hence, if you need to cut, the middle book and especially the civil war, is the natural victim.

At the risk of repeating myself: You are seeking justification when talking about a question of consequences. That just makes no sense.

But not for every little transaction. Nor is TFE strictly premodern. It may be of Preservation, but what does that have to do with nobles letting the government decide what they can have in their libraries? OK, this is not about sex. Sex and sexual abuse matter in moral terms. Again, this is not about morals. Morals is easy. Showing morals in a movie borders on the trivial. Power structures are different. Let me spell it out in detail. Nobles want power. Power comes from having loyal allomancers fighting for you. Allomancers come from, well, procreation. That means sexual intercourse between allomancers, or, if you don't have that many allomancers, allomancers and mundane people, resulting in offspring. In other words, every house lord who can afford it should have a harem of Skaa women, preferably Skaa women with nobility in their pedigree in order to breed Allomancers. This is exactly what Straff Venture does and TLR wants to prevent and has established institutions to prevent. This is not about fairness. This is about applying the logic of power to a genetic system of magic. It invariably leeds to breeding people for magic. Game theory, basically. So, yes, the nobility in TFE is forced to act against their core interests. That is exactly what Kelsier alluded to when he spoke with Harmony in The Lost Metal Absolutely. Rashek should remain a mystery. However, that is not the same as the means of his power remaining a mystery. You cannot understand Mistborn if you see TLR as an extension or the pinnacle of noble power. He is not. They just are not rebelling against their masters. They are rebelling against TLR. I am not sure Straff Venture needs to be in the sequel. He is actually the side show. The main theme is "What have we done? Have we doomed the world by finally getting justice and freedom?"

That is not the only constraint they are living under. The empire is being ruled in ways that are not just subordinating individual nobles to laws, but is being run against their group interests requirement to use arbiters for all contracts subjecting the nobility to censorship the atium regime enforced monogamy limits on scientific research just to give the most obvious examples Well, no, you couldn't because thanks to the Kolloss TLR has the final say. A council of inquisitors would fragment. A god-emperor cannot fragment. TLR is like nuclear weapons in international politics. He changes everything because he could act, even if he never does. Yes. It is the subset they really care about though. My apologies. Yes. But that matters only in the later books and consequently subsequent movies. Are you sure of that? I mean they basically are glorified orcs. To quote you: film is a visual medium That makes sense. Yet, silence for multiple years?

I wouldn't call this a moral question, but one of power. TLR, if it came to that, commands the Kolloss. He can send them in to pacify (meaning mostly razing) Luthadel, if he really has to. He also forces the nobility to do what they really do not want to do. He forces them to kill their potentially pregnant lovers. That is against their own interests. We know that because the most powerful of them, shown in the example of Straff Venture, flaunt that requirement and breed armies of allomancers. In fact I am fairly certain that it takes TLR to keep the social system stable. It should develop to polygyny for the exact reason Straff Venture effectively practices it. This matters dramaturgically. Nothing short of killing TLR can work. Kelsier is the fanatic who is right. There can be no compromise. In terms of power and conflict that is the core of Mistborn. In terms of morals you can and probably should despise the nobility. Again, you can and should show that. And it is easy to do with cinematic means. But it is not enough. You never see the Kolloss. In fact that probably needs to be changed in a movie. Possibly you could show the Skaa army lose a battle against Kolloss rather than ordinary troops and have Vin just ask what those monsters are and thus tell the audience that they are under TLR's personal command by mysterious means. You think so? They'd lose the publicity of the man who domineered Kickstarter. I am fairly certain AppleTV has a team charged with developing strategies in case plans leak.

While that is true, it would seem incomplete to me. Rashek's agents show up in the first pages. The opening of TFE establishes that Tresting fears the inspectors. That is we do not have a situation where the aristocrats form an oppressive government. They are in a priviledged position under such a government, which they abuse. I'd say that is a distinction you cannot do without even in an adaption. Again, that shows that the situation is bad, but not that TLR is actually evil. For all we - seeing this as a hypothetical novice viewer - know this world could be a kind of postapocalyptic wasteland, not an evil dictatorship. The setting, with ash falling from the sky, rather suggests some kind of ecological catastrophe, which, while not actually wrong, is not what makes the Final Empire so horrible. Hence I would actually open with a Steel Inspector ripping apart the thieving den and Kelsier rescuing Vin. After that you can switch to some kind of aristocratic festivity which shows a noble acting subservient to an ordinary member of some canton (film being visual you have the face tattoos linking them), which Kelsier uses as a distraction to rob the Atium. And again, this suggests to me that you cannot leave out the executions. I would actually concentrate on the fountains turning red. A great opportunity to show a character moment by facing on the onlookers rather than the actual killings.