Rhapsody

No one did their roasts... what's happening?

@Jondesu I think we still have one Kholin left but I am not sure at what to guess

ok so it is our turn again. I would guess E2. any objections? @Kidpen @Rebecca @Jondesu

@I think I am here.I love that you did a german translation. Was that solely for me? =) But I can understand english just fine.... and that German sounds a lot like google translate

ok here comes Khriss. (Sorry for the delay. It was more difficult roasting Nazh than I thought =) or rapping in a foreign language without swearing (I don't think Khriss would swear).)

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ok the one clue we still have from before is Kholin. Any ideas?

Well that should refer to D6. I think And that should also be the last one missing. except if I have miscounted. =)

@Chaos A very happy birthday to you!

jep judging by your last raps you would beat me into the ground

ok then I'll join with Khriss =) that should be fun!

Thank you much appreciated

Yes Change it back immediatly.

I would say C5 and F5. C5 is a depiction of Vin who is a mistborn and F5 is a depiction of someone in a mistcloak doing mistborn things =) They are the most obvious connects to mistborn I can see. I would also suggest we use our extra guess to guess B2 the Renarin picture because we haven't guessed any from the Kholin clue last time and agreed on that one. @Kidpen@Jondesu@Rebecca

I agree that perception is important in the cosmere. But in WB Vivenna awakens stuff and is afterwards remarking about what actually lost color. I think she one time also tries to draw the color from something specific and it end up draining something else. But my memory could be faulty in this case. I would have to search for the exact reference. So I'm not sure how much influence the Awakener himself has on the color draining effect be it his concious effort or perception.

I don't think the color draining effect has something to do with the ease or difficulty of awakening.

Lost... after a 2 day streak....

That is a good point. I'm afraid oxidizing alcohol isn't easy. It is an endotherm process which normally requires metal oxid catalysts or enzymes as biocatalysts. So even in alcohol the metal would oxidize first most of the time. I believe they would have developed another sealing mechanism rather fast even if wax wasn't an option. You can also seal stuff with clay for example and I'm sure if you look into it there are a ton of other materials that can be used. Since sealing in liquids can be a pretty important thing (especcially while traveling) I would guess people in the Final Empire will have searched for methods to seal stuff pretty soon after they realized wax was no longer an option.

I totally agree. And now I am going to reread WoT =)

ah then it was dust. I just remembered there was something other than the bar in that box and simply assumed it was vials. Didn't actually think of metal dust =) Yeah another whisky lover. I also did a tour of Scotland visiting a distillery in the process. And we have a small collection of Irish and Scottish spirits at home as well. Though by now some of them are getting scarce since they are from the scotland tour mentioned above. I think most of my souvenirs I brought back home were whiskys =) I always imagined them like relativly small reaction tubes =). So they would contain about 5 to 10 ml of liquid (something like a fifth to a third of an fl.oz I believe) depending on the diameter. I think one could take a couple of those in a short while without getting drunk. And for most metals drinking one vial in the morning to have the metals avaiable would be enough. Only with flaring pewter or using duralumin would you have to use more than one vial in a fight and then the pewter and the added adrenalin would help negate the toxic effects of alcohol. You are right though metals seem pretty common in the mistborn world. I remember reading that scadrial was really rich in metals somewhere. For the second we have no idea how much metall you need to ingest to get a significant power output. We know Vin could use the small amounts she ingested because of using metal dinnerware but that she had basically no real power and had to store up for days and weeks to be able to do something with her "luck". So I'm not sure how significant those adhesions are. But a less viscous solution would definitly minimize the amount of adhesions. Another possiblity would be to search for a liquid in which the metals are actually soluble. (I'm no anorganic chemist so without some research I'm not sure how soluble metals are in different liquids, but it should theoretically be possible) I think some pills should be possible. Encasing something in a gellike substance and drying that to harden in a pill is actually not really difficult. Even Era 1 should be able to do that if they researched it. Era 1 would have more problems getting the raw materials for the pills since those are mostly plant materials but it should be possible. As you said there is no telling how many problems those accumulated fluorocarbons would make. Secondly I'm not sure about swallowing those. They are pretty hydrophobic which could make digestion difficult. Depending of course on how far into the body the metals need to come. Most fluorocarbons are used as coatings for a reason. I for myself don't fancy trying to eat Teflon =) Though I'm working in another field so my knowledge on fluorcarbons and their possibilities is limited. Another question I would be interested in is if the metal has to be in its elemental form to be used? Or do the respective metal ions also work? That would make it a lot easier since you can dissolve metal ions in polar liquids. They would also be more resistant to oxidation (depending on the oxidation state of the ion), That also raises the question in what form the metals are used. If they are used in their elemental form, some of them should degrade over the time they are in the stomach because of the hydrochloric acid. If they are used in their ion form it should take some time for the full amount of metal to become avaiable (after ingesting it in elemental form). I think they can only be used in their elemental form and Brandon simply didn't talk about the degration because it wasn't important to the story, but it would be interesting to know.

Interesting point but I think from the viewpoint of an Era 1 allomancer the volume left inside (even with an oil) would be negligable as they would ingest far more than what would be left inside (except for some especcially viscous substances). Furthermore as far as we know they do not use saturated solutions but a suspension of the flakes. There would therefore always be residue metal shaving left in the vial because of their adhesion to the vial walls even if more of the liquid would be consumed.

That is true but using soap and a trialcohol they could make industrial fats and there were a couple of different techniques to obtain different fats and oils as well as organic solvents even in medival times. We do not know enough about the knowledge of the FE to say if they could or could not produce oils that are edible and versatile enough to store the different metals in.

I think you are confusing organic and derived from organics. Organic molecules are those that are derived solely from carbohydrates and hydrocarbons along with the field of organometallics. Carbonate minerals like marble or limestone are formed from calcium carbonate (mostly) (chemical formula CaCO3) which is technically a salt and is part of the field of anorganic materials. Anorganic materials can be found in organic matter (plant, animals, etc) that is why limestone is "made" from organisms but not an organic material. Sorry about making limestone an exception in my post above even though it's really not. I was too lazy to look up it's chemical make up and just assumed the one who said limestone was organic had done so... that's what you get for becoming lazy while posting something scientifically at 2 in the morning =)

Hello and welcome to the Shard. Which of the worlds in those books did you like most?