Rhapsody

Denth

Sounds Fun. I'm in.

@Calderis I agree from the viewpoint of the vessel it wouldn't make a difference. Which is I believe one of the reasons I agree with much of your post above and most of my post was expanding on that and trying to say what I believe are possible answers to your questions. Now back to topic. What I would really like to know is how individual each avatar is and how autonomous. Are their Personalities similar to Bavadin or completly different. Can she decide on their personality during creation? Are they parts of her own personality split from the Rest? How much influence does Bavadin have on them during creation or later? Are they all equal?

Dalinar

@Calderis I agree the shards are limited to their sphere of influence by the localization of the vessel and that Bavadin is expanding that sphere by creating avatars. But I still believe Investiture has a finite quantity. Just like our universe has a finite amount of matter. and it doesn't make a difference if you only look at a dwarf galaxy or the whole universe, matter is still finite what changed is the quantity you observe. That quantity is still unbelievably vast. That is the same for investiture. There is a finite amount but it is so much that no one will ever run out. Does that make sense? In my opinion the shards could manipulate all the investiture of their kind in the universe if they were aware of it but the finite capacity of their minds limits them to which and how much investiture they can use at any given time.

Spook

I always read them and actually never listened to one of them. =)

@GasperI agree that the spren act as a control especially in the ethics department but that wasn't what I meant. And I never said the surges aren't versatile at all. I only believe they are less versatile than AonDor, Hemalurgy or Awakening.

I don't think awakening is the least versatile of the magic systems. On the contrary with only the commands we know are possible there is already a lot of different things the system can do and Vasher already tells us that that is only a fraction of what is possible. I believe the title of least versatile has to go to surgebinding. AonDor is basically programming reality, Soulforging is reprogramming the past of any object or (with more difficulty) person, (we do not know what Dakhor really is capable of), the metallic arts have Hemalurgy which lets one basically hack into any magic system. With Surgebinding one is confined to 2 surges which only do some really specific things (even if those things can be used innovativly each combination has things it can't do) and even if one could get access to all 10 surges I believe the limitations would be greater than in the other systems. The title of most easily accesible and easiest entry point should go to hemalurgy. One only needs the knowledge and an appropriate metall to use it.

Well I believe this WOB contradicts you: This worries me somewhat because of the following observation. Nightblood consumes Breath (and other Investiture, but let's limit ourselves to Breath for a second). Every person on Nalthis is born with one Breath. Populations tend to grow. Which means that under normal rules of demographics, population of Nalthis should keep increasing. This in turn means that under normal circumstances the number of people with Breath on Nalthis should be growing. I can see the following possible explanations to this: Endowment can give Breath to many more people than are currently living on Nalthis. So, the exponential population growth has not yet reached the level at which Endowment's ability to award a Breath to each Nalthis-born human is seriously challenged. When it happens though, things will not go well. There is some built-in mechanism controlling population growth on Nalthis, making certain that the population stays within the limits. Nightblood's consumption of Breath makes these limits smaller, and overall may lead to Endowment's inability to grant Breath to Nalthis-born, but not for a while (essentially, Endowment controls population trends at she sees fit). Thoughts? Brandon Sanderson Just as a point you should understand, the amount of MATTER in the cosmere is finite too. As is the amount of energy. Worrying that Endowment will run out of Breaths to give is a little like worrying that the amount of carbon on Earth will run out because people keep being born. uchoo786 So just for clarification, once Nightblood consumes investiture, that investiture gets recycled? That's what I've always assumed. That it enters the cognitive/spiritual realm? Brandon Sanderson The investiture he consumes is not gone forever--it's not leaving the system, so to speak. source Also each shard got an equal amount of investiture at the shattering The amount of investiture a single shard can acces is still unbelievably vast, which is why I think Brandon speaks of infinite Investiture in the WOB quoted by @Confused. I believe the difference between having one or two shards is more in how easy it is to find investiture one can use. Since all investiture got assigned to one of the shards and they seem to be only able to use investiture asigned to them it would be a lot easier to locate more investiture if you can access two types instead of one. Which is why Sazed is more powerful than Odium in terms of raw accessible power. He will find more investiture he can tinker with in the same timespan than Odium. Odium has more experience though. Here is what I believe: Even if she finds that investiture sometime her mind will be too narrow to be aware of all the investiture she has found. It is like multitasking. One can manage to do three to four things simultaneously, someone may even be able to do even more things but everyone has a limit somewhere on how many different things they can concentrate at the same time. Therefore I believe she creates avatars that can access other investiture pockets than Bavadins original mind. In conclusion she is not getting more power because that power has always been hers even if she wasn't aware of it. Her avatars allow her instead to access more of that power at any given time. It is like an orchester: one man couldn't play all instruments at the same time but if each instrument is played by another person than more music is created (=more investiture accesible at the same time). (Sorry for the strange metaphors =) it is just how I try to imagine those things) I agree that there have to be drawbacks. If there aren't and a shard can therefore expand their power without cost why don't all the shards use this possibility? They probably by now realized what Bavadin is doing and given the timespan they existed and their expanded minds by now could have figured out how to do the same if they wanted to. If they could do the same without worries why don't they? The only possibilities in my opinion are that either this is something only possible for autonomy (creating autonomous beings sounds like something more suitable to Autonomy than for example Honor) or it has serious drawbacks the other shards don't want to risk. I believe @Calderishas a point in that probably the mind of the vessel is somehow affected by the process. Either because it really is split (creating something like a shizophrenic personality) or that one of the minds can access less power than before (like together the avatar+Bavadins original mind are more powerful but if one only considers Bavadins mind she can access less investiture) On the other hand I believe a possible problem of this process could be that the avatars do not necessarily have the same agenda as Bavadin. They may have the same goal and Bavadin probably has a say as to their personality during avatar creation but I do not believe that they all agree on everything. Therefore it could be that one or several avatars refuse to work together with the others. In my opinion we already got a clue that could be so in the letter in OB. If not all her avatars work together Bavadins possibilities again would be hampered which could be one of those drawbacks.

Kenton

Wax

Raoden

Kelsier

Drehy?

@Herowannabe guessed correctly. it was Eondel. And I used 'own' on purpose since that is how he is described (he owns a private army).

I would also join in another game

neither adolin nor dockson are right. This character owns an army.

@luckatI agree. nice to know I wasn't playing alone.

No

Hurt David, heal Conflux. I believe we are at hurt-2? Conflux - 2 David - 8 Mizzy - 10 Elend - 10 God King - 10 Gavilar - 10 Dalinar - 10 Elhokar - 10 Sebarial - 10 Raoden - 10

No No This character supports two viewpoint characters.

Hmm I believe I know that friend. And I have been trying and trying to get him to read more but he just says he doesn't like reading. (but has a list of about 50 books he would like to read sometime....) actually he didn't read only Mb era 1 but also warbreaker and elantris. and liked them.... I just don't understand why he doesn't want to read any more. When you play the Mistborn RPG because you just don't want to leave that world just yet...

no to all of the above. This character doesn't use magic/hasn't got any powers.

yay! Ok this character is male.