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It’s a tie between Roshar and Era 1 Scadrial for my favorite setting. I like how alien Roshar is, but I also like the dark gothic style of Scadrial. Sel is my favorite planet purely because of its magic. Aon Dor is the best system in the Cosmere hands down. My favorite character from Sel is currently Raoden, but I fully expect him to be replaced by the Elantrian protagonist from the second book, when ever Brandon gets around to writing it. I’m usually a fan of super OP characters in stories (I like Superman and Thor from DC and Marvell respectively) so Elantians will alway rate pretty high for me. Hopefully there are some ridiculous displays of power in book two.

Isn’t Breath “kinetic”? It’s a physical thing like the Mists or Stormlight.

Duralumin and zinc might be able to cause psychotic episodes. compounded iron might let you mess with planetary orbit. You would need a ridiculous amount of weight though, and a metalmind big enough to hold it. You could store your A-tin and A-bronze senses in a tin metalmind and then tap it to gain them while being invisible to bronze without a copper cloud. Construct a network of unbroken three strand solid core wire with one copper, one zinc and one Nicrosil wire. Use shifts of compounders in speed bubbles to fill the Nicrosil wire with F-copper and F-zinc, and the zinc wire with mental speed. Expand it as necessary by grafting more wires onto it. You could connect the wires to plates that people can touch and access the network. You can add an aluminum wire and end plate in case people want to store something in public copper. The grafted on wires would probably need to be melted into the network in order to get them to connect. Scadrian internet in a nutshell. Who needs CPUs when you have F-zinc? As a bonus, you could add other types of wires for things like public healthcare and nutrition. Expounding on the idea of public copper, you could have people who’s full time job is reposting something that was in the public copper. Basically they maintain Wikipedia pages by rereading a physical copy with F-zinc and then post it back in the public copper when ever anyone takes a copy. Edit:Imagine being the poor soul that is responsible for keeping Scadrials version on Pornhub online lol Edit2: you could also use detached pieces of copper as flash storage. Touch the network but store your memory in the detached piece.

Wouldn’t it be “The Pretty Cremling”? I feel like being ugly is already their normal.

I didn’t mean you specifically, just the general idea. I can certainly understand wanting more viewpoint characters that you can relate to.

It kind of seems like some people are. Basically by calling out an author for not having enough non straight characters, you are saying that they should have changed some of them, or at least imagined them differently from the beginning. It is essentially demanding that the author be creative, but only in a certain way. A better answer would be for more people with different life experiences to take up writing fantasy and sci-fi. That way, they can create diverse characters organically, rather than just including token characters that they have no insight into.

I don't think that the number of people being soothed is a good measure for relative strength. If you think of strength with soothing as how far a soother can reach, the numbers make more sense. If a normal Misting like Breeze can soothe everyone within 100 feet of him, and Rashek can do everyone one within 200 feet, then Rashek can cover almost four times as much area. At 300 feet, its nine times as much area. As you can see, the potential number of people does not scale linearly with the distance at which a soother can sooth.

My point was that you can't tap them under normal circumstances. You have to play games with Identity to make it work. With spikes, they just work. No games with Identity. Just stab it in the right spot and you gain the ability. It's odd that you can use the spike without Identity shenanigans, but to burn it you have to play games. In both cases you are accessing the Investiture but only one of them is Identity locked. It just seems weird. It likely has to be designed this way, otherwise you could burn Hemalurgic spikes and gain the abilities without having the spike in a bind point. Seems like something that was done to protect the plot. Spoilered for SA and WB

Spoilers for Warbreaker I guess? This seems really weird to me. You can't tap someone else's metalmind, but anyone can use a spike. I don't get why it would need to be keyed to you if the power inside is accessible to anyone. edit: also, what about a Lerasium spike? It would steal the persons identity along with all of their other powers. Seems like anyone should be able to burn that.

I already explained that too.

What are you talking about? Are you high? The cadmium is there to trap the Radiant in slowed down time. The bendalloy is there so that the Mistborn is not trapped in slowed down time. Cadmium bubbles are bigger than bendalloy bubble. This means that making both on top of each other results in a thin layer of cadmium time with normal time on either side. I will no clarify this again. If you don’t understand it, I can’t help you. The person pushing is in normal time. The objecting being pushed is in slowed time. From the perspective of the pusher, the object is moving in slow motion. From the perspective of the object, it is being pushed extremely hard and fast. If the Radiant creates a hamster ball out of their Shardblade, you are correct, the Mistborn will not be able to harm them. At least not until they dismiss the blade with chrome. As a final note, I’m tired of covering the same ground over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over, so I’m out.

I feel like we are having different conversations. I address your point and then you quote it back to me in a different context. There was never any question of the bubble still being there, I don’t know how you got the impression that I was saying it isn’t. The entire point, which I have repeated several times, is that the metal can stay in the same time speed as the Radiant and not be deflected several times. Or it simply isn’t convenient for the plot given that it would greatly simplify combat. You might not be able to, but we know that steel lines show through them from Wax’s trick shot at the end of AoL. If the lines show, I see no reason they can’t be pushed. Brandon can feel free to clear that one up, anything else is speculation. Why would you need to collapse the bubble to take two steps to the side?

The difference is that the Mistborn is in normal time speed and the Radiant is in cadmium speed while only being a few inches apart. That is the entire point of what I’m saying. Well we haven’t seen him do it, so it seems he hasn’t. What problem exists? The metal is already past the deflection point, what would cause more deflections? If the Radiant puts up a shield then move to the side and shoot around it.

It is their weight that propels the coin, however that weight is applied constantly and into a very small surface area. A bullet that ricochets at a small angle still delivers most of its energy to the target. In something like plate, which shatters, you are better off delivering all of your force to a small surface area. That’s why the distinction between arrows and bullets matters. Arrow snap or twist or collapse on a hit where they can’t penetrate or deflect. This dissipates their energy over a large surface area and time frame (relative to other projectiles). If you would argue that bullets aren’t enough to crack plate, you are wrong. As another poster linked earlier, Brandon has explicitly said that bullets can crack plate. Hammers and war picks are explicitly designed to damage armor. Putting a large amount of kinetic force into a small surface area and a hard material gives the weapon exceptional ability to penetrate or dent metal armor. It’s really the same principal as a bullet applied to a hand weapon. Maces can also be designed for this purpose if they are of the winged variety.

I’m not sure how the draw weight of a bow and arrow apples to the ballistics of coins, but I can say with a fair amount of certainty that a piece of metal that is being constantly accelerated along its entire flight path is carrying more force than an arrow. I’m also not sure why the average weight of a person factors into this. A low angle impact will result in a ricochet rather than a deflection. The reason deflecting an arrow works is that arrows are bladed weapons that kill through cutting a large wound channel. Bullets create a wound channel by delivering a large amount of kinetic force on a small surface area. This is why we stopped using plate armor at the advent of fire arms. Comparing coins or any other random metal projectile to arrows is apples to oranges IMO. As I said before, agree to disagree about plate. It is durable, not invincible. If I remember correctly the Parshendi used regular soldiers with stone hammers to break armor worn by the Alethi, but I don’t have a book handy to check. Coinshot > stone hammer > Shardplate. edit: just to drive it home, you are basically arguing that a Mistborn could not kill a Radiant if they were lying unconscious on the ground in their plate.

I don’t see the problem. The Mistborn has a cadmium and bendalloy bubble up at the same time. This means that the Mistborn is standing in regular speed time and has a thin layer of slow time forming a shield around them. When the Radiant approaches, they will get trapped in the thin layer of slow time and be easy pickings for the Mistborn. Deflection from the bubbles is not an issue. It’s only ever really a problem for Wax because he’s trying to shoot out of one. If he was pushing on metal that is already outside the bubble there would be no deflection. I’m actually curious about what happens when pushes cross time barriers. Since the person pushing is in sped up time does the push exert more force over time on the outside? Might be a good question for Brandon. Back to or situation, the Mistborn can toss pieces of metal into the slow time and then just pick the one that is at the correct angle for a push. Everything in the slow time moves extremely slowly, so the Mistborn can just juggle the pieces with iron and steel without them crossing the barrier between bubbles again. I’m honestly surprised that I have to break it down this much.

We will have to agree to disagree. You seem to think steel pushes carry the same force as a slap, so there is no convincing you. You also seem to be making the assumption that the Mistborn can only strike from directly in front of the Radiant causing the metal to deflect off of the angled faceplate. If the Mistborn has a brain, they can simply take two steps to the side and hit the helmet from a perpendicular angle. Im honestly surprised people are arguing that a Mistborn can’t kill a Radiant that is effectively frozen in place and unable to act. Are the Stormlight books incredibly boring to you as a result of your belief that Radiants are invincible?

If plate can stand up to getting jackhammered then nothing can break it and Radiants are invincible. I suggested duralumin earlier as a means of breaking plate in one push. I have since updated that and now recommend breaking the plate with thousands of strikes from a single coin being pushed and pulled repeatedly. It doesn’t really need to be a coin either. It could just as easily be a ball bering or other hard metallic object. Why would it require accuracy? You’re literally pounding a piece of metal into their face from a few inches away. I did not forget. All they would need to do is lower their center of gravity and throw two metallic anchors behind them. Alternatively they can just reposition themselves after every hit. The Radiant is completely immobile and experiencing time at a significantly lower rate. The time it would take to reposition after every strike would be imperceptible fractions of a second to the Radiant. edit: because I’m rude.

I think that the plate being able to repair itself is an advantage to the Mistborn. The Radiant at this point is stuck like a bug in glue. The Mistborn is moving so fast inside the bubble that they can’t even be seen. Hold a roll of coins up to the edge of the bubble and machine gun them one at a time into the Radiants face. Do this until the Radiant runs out of Stormlight. Continue until the Radiants helmet shatters. Continue until the Radiant no longer has a head. Seems pretty straight forward to me. I guess the Mistborn could actually just use one coin for the helmet. Get it through the edge of the bubble and then jackhammer the Radiant’s face with alternating iron and steel. The coin would be moving in slow motion from the Mistborn perspective so control would be extremely fine tuned. Once the helmet is gone and the coin is to covered in head slime to push or pull you can start adding more coins.

I think the best strategy would be to get as close to the edge as possible and take a knee. Aim for just bellow the throat. The high angle means that the Mistborn can eat most of the recoil with pewter and not get launched. Aiming at a flat portion like the upper chest means the coins have a better chance of not deflecting and since it’s suck a large projectile it will take the head off easily once it’s through. I can only imagine what all of those coins ricocheting around inside the helmet will do to the head. As for whether duralumin can break plate, someone else can do the math but I’m pretty sure the force required to launch Vin a half mile is more than it takes to swing a hammer.

If the Mistborn only uses a bendalloy bubble, they are still in the same time space as the Radiant, which will likely lead to their demise. They need to catch the Radiant in the overlap of the cadmium and bendally bubbles. Why wouldn’t coins crack plate? They carry about as much force as a bullet (they’re slower but quite a bit more massive). Edit: I just realized what you meant by only needing one bubble. The purpose of using two is capturing the Radiant right at the edge of the bendalloy bubble. This lets you mostly ignore the deflection problem, and it lets you time a chromium attack very accurately. If you just pop a bendalloy bubble up while the Radiant is charging, you risk messing up the timing and either catching them in the bubble with you (game over) or catching them to far away. The goal is to walk right up to them and hit them in the face with a full coin pouch on a duralumin push. Basically grapeshot from an artillery piece. Edit 2: Another idea I’ve been kicking and is emotional Allomancy. If you duralumin riot someone’s fear, you might be able to trigger a psychotic episode. For example, Jasnah seems to have some kind of terrible childhood trauma (I think being locked in the dark to “treat” some kind of supposed mental problem is a popular theory) she might be dropped into a hallucination of that experience for a time. Similarly, if you duralumin riot Kaladin’s depression he might commit seppuku on the spot. This would obviously require knowledge of the individual Radiant, but it is a possible avenue of attack.

I can’t be bothered to read this whole post so I’ll just throw my two cents in blindly. A Mistborn’s biggest edge in this fight is speed bubbles. They can double stack them and catch the Radiant in the outer layer of the slow bubble. This would leave the radiant stuck there for hours. The Mistborn could shoot them in the face hundreds of times from there, essentially decapitating the Radiant (which, unless I’m mistaken, is one of the few way that they can be kill). The deflection of the bubbles would be easy to overcome since the Mistborn could just toss metal through them at high angles and wait until the fall into an intercept course with the Radiants head. You could probably also swing a long enough bladed weapon into the gap and decapitate them that way. The Mistborn could also wait until the Radiant was about to cross in normal speed and touch them with chrome burning. It should wipe their Stormlight and make for a super easy kill. Withought speed bubbles, most Radiant orders could probably kill a Mistborn without much challenge with a combo of healing, Shards and Surges.

You seem to think that nuclear weapons are capable of killing a planets population by virtue of their explosive potential alone. This is not accurate. Most of the deaths from nuclear war would be due to radiation and crop loss, as well as the loss of infrastructure. As I have established over and over and over and over and over.. in this thread, you cannot kill an Elantrian with mundane weapons. If you use all of the nuclear weapons in existence against Sel, you will kill countless millions of people. The Elantrians will however easily fix the ecological devastation and heal anyone suffering from the effects of radiation. Arelon, at the very least, will be just fine. They will of course lose a tragic number of people to the initial attack, however they will be fine in the long term. The Elantian counter attack in the other hand would end our species. Giant rock meets fall from sky, no more people. Scadrial has no way to deal with the long term impacts. Their magic systems are not made for it. You would leave behind a world populated only by Koloss, Kandra and the most powerful among the metalborn. Basically, they’re coming for you, and you don’t stand a chance. Kandra infiltrate and trick us into destroying ourselves. Net outcome, mutually destruction, their most powerful live on. On Roshar, everyone already lives in bunkers. Nukes would net high casualties in cities and not much else. Radiation can be soulcast away. Jasnah and Kaladin ride the Highstorm on a trip around the planet soul casting all of the fallout into fertilizer. Meanwhile, the rest of the radiants set up triage centers to cure radiation sickness using the wind runners to move from place to place. End result, they took a hit but will be fine. We would be screwed. After their recovery Jasnah and Dalinar can take s little trip to Earth where he opens a perpendicularity and she starts soulcasting air into plutonium.

Now we are adding magic to earths armys. If our world leaders discovered hemallurgy their is zero chance of them sharing that knowledge with anyone else. They would use it to cement their control over their people and then try to subvert other countries.

If a ship is out of reach of iron they could simply steel push themselves into the air while tapping iron and the store iron at maximum rate. They would shoot into the sky like a bullet and get in range of the drones. It wouldn’t be so bad for Kelsier, you said you are going to preemptively attack with nuclear weapons. Near as I can tell you don’t posses a continence. In his mind killing you would be the same as killing noblemen. So am I, and his statements don’t match reality. I explained how artillery works and the logistics of deploying it. If you don’t believe me go read a book on the topic. Artillery doesn’t just appear and start shooting. It needs to be carried or driven to a location, supplied through baggage trains, supported by screens of infantry, and directed by controllers. That’s how it works, period. Carpet and cluster bombing wouldn’t kill a Fullborn. Even if you killed their body, their mind would enter the CR. As long as any piece of their body is still touching one of their goldminds, they can completely regenerate. Look at what Wax did at the end of BoM. Surprise attack is all well and good, just tell me Kelsier’s exact location on Scadrial so we can launch this hypothetical surprise attack. People keep talking about TFE and Rashek. TFE no longer exists. It is not part of the Cosmere. Rashek was a clown. He would probably die to any of the attacks you listed because he is wildly incompetent. I would never use him as an example of Fullborn potential. I wouldn’t even use him as an example of canine potential. He was useless and died like a chump. Key point being, he’s dead and not part of the scenario. The currently known Fullborn are Kelsier, and anyone holding the BoM. I’ll add Spook might have used hemallurgy to become something close to one, and Marsh is close enough to be nearly one.