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After looking over the daggers, Ethil chose a sleek styled one, rather long for a dagger, It had a fine wooden handle, and had a wavy edge. "Let's do this" Ethil and Silphio faced off in the center of the courtyard. "Now remember, we are just sparring, let's keep physical damage to a minimum, please." Before Silphio had a chance to respond, he lunged toward Silphio, wielding the dagger as if it were a small dueling cane.

Unfortunately it doesn't prove that you aren't a mordor agent. It just makes it less likely. But I have seen where the lynch is up between two elim team members before. I do find it less likely though. Anyway, my current remaining suspicions are on Itiah and Elandera, despite being a very helpful in defense against Walin. I will reexamine their posts tomorrow as well as any others with interactions with Rath.

Considering that I miscounted and the votes are actually a tie, I think I will actually leave mine on Rath for now. I will try to check closer to rollover to possibly change my vote, but I can't guarantee, but for now, I will leave it where it's at.

Should we make it so the bank can ensure any money that is robbed? And if it is robbed, Mraizes suggestion applies? Or we just follow SD's suggestion

[RP] Caddor sat dumbfounded. He knew he was defending the most suspicious one in the group, but after personal conversation with Kadgar, who was actually Gandalf in disguise, he had been led to believe that Dorter was innocent. Now this looked bad on him as well. Caddor knew that he had had the conversation with Kadgar, but, because it was private, he had no proof of the conversation. All he could hope for was for Walin to actually be proven innocent. "We cannot delay this any longer" Caddor announced. "I still believe that Dorter is innocent, but we do need to send someone to trial. I know most of you are suspicious of Dorter which means you may become suspicious of me very soon as well. If it ends up that we lose our lives, I pray that you re-think what I have shared with you." Then turning to look at Dorter, he continued "Dorter, I apologize, but I do not believe I can help you any longer. It is up to the rest of them. If they continue to accuse you, I will reluctantly have to join them. It is for the sake of our mission that we find those among us who do not want us to succeed, and perhaps you can give us a clue" "Oh, and Legless... Give me a drink" [/RP] Anyways, I agree that we need a lynch. If I'm correct, the current vote count is Walin(4), Rathm(3) I'll be watching for the next hour and a half or so, but after that, I will remove my vote from Rath, so that I do not cause another tie, unless something substantial occurs.

"That's what he told us to do. But, I by trade, tend to get into things that I shouldn't be involved in." Ethil said defiantly. "I do want to spar a bit with daggers, as I've never formally done that, but after that, anyone want to go see what's in that bunker? Or maybe track down Devaan?

That's part of why I tried so hard to obscure it, but still reveal it. But that does bring up another good point. Near the end of the game, I thought Azure was the Kandra. I ended up putting in the thread a test to verify, but I was hesitant to do so, because I was debating whether or not it felt like cheating. I asked him: Ultimately I decided to do it, but I was hesitant to do so, because I'm not certain about what precedent is regarding using someone's real account to determine if they've been hijacked. Honestly, there is probably no precedent because this was the first account swapping game. But what do you all think? was this a fair method in determining if someone has been Hijacked?

So I just wanted to go back and reveal the purposes behind a post that caused a lot of confusion in thread, and it seems as if it brought up discussion in the spec doc as well. Let me re-write these with each number on a different line 1. I am still suspicious of you and amber. 2. T hanks, I have really enjoyed your RP's 3. I 've really enjoyed your Analyses 4. A nd I know who your main account is. 5. H ow good are you at counting? I was telling everyone who he was. Azure mouse was itiah! I thought I was pretty clever with my subtle reveal there. Also notice, that I bolded the number 5, just like the letter V, which was always bolded.

Can Snip still respond in PM's? Also, @Jondesu If the elven handmaiden gives someone the invigorating draught, would it allow that person to do the same action twice? For example, If she gave her draught to Gandalf, could Gandalf scan twice in one night?

I really really love that idea. I think 48 hour cycles or less would be best though because with the engineer, it has the potential to lengthen the game. Another option would be make it so that only 5 (or some other number) parts can be restored, and one one person every two cycles.

Fair enough. This post makes me begin to doubt my assumption that you are teammates, trying to simply distance. But only somewhat. (at least based off of an immediate read) While I would much prefer a Rathmaskal lynch, If I don't think he is going to be lynched, my vote might be moved late cycle as well. But maybe not.

Never discount being new as a weakness, There are very good new players. Unless your discounting your being new as reasons for flaws in order to get us to trust you, so you can stab us in the back. I know some players have done that. Unfortunately, I have no proof. But I think Dalinar trusted Walin because Dalinar already scanned him, and knew he was not a threat to the companions. Doesn't it make sense to scan someone who is under suspicion? I have no proof that Dalinar Scanned Walin. The only proof I have is from a chat I had with Dalinar. All he told me is that he trusted Walin

@xinoehp512 I'm going to argue on this. Probably a bit of tunnelling. Elan seems and/or Rath seem to be around near rollover every cycle. A lot of times, the vote doesn't get within one until near the end of the cycle either. It seems like they're the most likely candidates to be the hand of Sauron. Plus there are various comments like this, that when you look retrospectively at them in light of them being possible elims, seem very fishy, Issues about this have already been brought up, and "resolved" back on D2. If you want to go back and look you can, but I'd like to bring up the post again. Originally it seems innocent, but try rereading it, as if you are suspicious that he is part of the Agents of Mordor Nothing too fishy here, but You didn't review the roles very well. Placing a drought is different than poisoning. I already hear the voices in my head. "But an elim wouldn't make this mistake about their own teammate." ..... Which is exactly why they would. Entering into WIFOM. That wasn't the point, It was just to point out that it was wrong. (Maybe attempt at misdirection?) Rath was already pretty cunning and clever in his first game, I remember some of his analysis. So if he's learned more by now, then we're doomed if he's Elim. Unless I've also learned more! On another note, maybe the reason he's playing differently is because he's an elim I don't know if it is too much to be a coincidence. Slowing down their win-con at all is good. If the Hand is on late in the cycle, they can see who needs a vote manip in order to stop a lynch. Perhaps the hand doesn't care at all if it's Walin. All they want to do is slow another team's wincon. While it is convenient that it's constantly Walin, for using him as a scapegoat, They really don't care who. If they can make it be Walin, they will, especially now that so much suspicion is being thrown at him.

I'll buy that Stormlight Archive spoilers

First a discussion of game mechanics, which seems odd to me that almost no one else wants to discuss too much. It's important in determining how many cycles to Lylo I would say, based on the information we have, I personally expect 3 Agents of Mordor. (The hand of Sauron, and two Mordor Assassins) The reason there would need to be at least 3 is because in the rules it mentions that if two agents send in a kill action on the same night, neither will go through. (the other option is that the hand is also a mordor assassin.) Then I expect 3 Gondor spies as well. That totals 6 non-companions(maybe 7, with a fourth being added to either team). I expect there to be about 4 bottles of poison, just because that seems like a good number. Of these, it appears 2 were used and took affect last night. That means (possibly) 2 more out there. Hopefully they are in village hands, but that isn't guaranteed. They could be in anyone's hands, so we have to be careful. A word to the Companions: You are already outnumbered (if my estimates are correct) There are three Agents of Mordor, and three Gondor Spies. (and maybe one more too) You still do have the voting power together of 5 people(4 if you count hand of Sauron vote manipulation) It's time for all of the companions to band together, and start thinking as a team instead of individually. A word to the Gondor Spies: Right now, you are sitting pretty safe, as long as the Agents don't find their final win condition person. But the agents of Mordor are becoming a serious threat to your success. It's time to (temporarily) join in with the companions and root out this other evil from amidst our roots. A word to the Agents of Mordor. You are doing well, unfortunately. We know you are among us, but haven't been able to pin any of you yet, and you are causing us much turmoil, having killed two of our three special roles. The last role is hiding out there somewhere. Unfortunately, for us, you don't really need to worry much about the Gondor spies yet, because you should likely be able to complete your wincon long before that. Now, to stuff that occurred at Rollover. Dalinar died. He was Gandalf. I think it's important that we look at who he cleared, as there is a possibility that he already scanned those people, and was able to know that they weren't enemies to the companions. These are two people who have been under suspicion by everyone else, that Dalinar completely doesn't find suspicious. That is enough for me to agree with him. It seems like Dalinar would try to scan people that everyone was voting on to clear them. Yes, I know Walin has unnaturally survived 3 close lynches. But lets look at the possibility that this is an attempt at pocketing. (A very convincing attempt, though I believe it is just pocketing Walin. Making him look like an elim (specifically Agent of Mordor) That being said, The first person Dalinar cast suspicion on, Elandera, seemed to just be a suspicion of the type "I think what you said is fishy" Dalinar did leave his vote on Elandera for the cycle, even after agreeing that it the issue was actually NAI. But considering Dalinar didn't tunnel on Elandera the next cycle, I believe it was just a suspicion. However, during the next cycle, Dalinar chose Rath. In the end of that cycle, he removed his vote from Rath, then returned to place it on Rath, within the same post. (Albeit, it looks like it might have been an edit) "After reading the rules" Unfortunately, he was never able to clarify which rules he reread. (That would be too easy) So it is left up to us to determine that. After I reread the rules, there doesn't seem to be anything overly suspicious about Rath from reading the rules. So I suspect that it was likely just a way for Dalinar to keep his vote on Rath, without drawing suspicion to himself. Unfortunately for us, Dalinar Died. I think Dalinar actually did scan Rath, and he is an Agent of Mordor. So Now, It's time to look back at interactions with Rath. Other than the fact that Rathm had a sword, they have offered pretty decent contributions to the discussion, even if Rathm thinks that people fear him for the sword, they listen to him as well. Rathm PM'd me, and mentioned to me that he had a PM with Elandera, where Elan mentioned that I like to do a lot of stuff over PM, so he reached out to me. Nothing within the wording sounded fishy, but the message in general raised a tiny red flag. Then I PM'd Elan to see their opinions on Dalinar's vote on Rath. I got a very short response saying that Rath seemed like a soft village read. Which didn't seem very out of the ordinary at the time it happened. Then, Elan's post this morning seems like a defense of Rath, followed by a half-hearted attempt at distancing, where he threw his vote on Rath. @I think I am here.I hope my vote no longer seems like a bandwagon vote. I actually had reasoning, I just didn't get around to explaining it at the time. To be honest, this post seems like a defense post against Rath as well, but I'm not nearly as suspicious of it as I am of the Elan/Rath team. Unfortunately, they both have a tendency to be on at or about the time of Rollover, so I don't know which one is likely to be Hand of Sauron. My vote will remain on Rath for now though. Also, to those Companions, and Gondor spies still active, PLEASE help, if I am right. With the hand of Sauron, and being on late in the cycle, they have the potential to swing the vote by 3 points late in the cycle (Not including other team members) So we need to have a solid lynch on one of them (At least 3 ahead than the next closest, preferably 4) For that reason, I'm tagging the remainder of the living players. I'll edit that in. @Elandera @Ornstein @Rathmaskal @Snipexe @Bort, @xinoehp512, @Mafia @Walin, @GreenRover

I'm willing to believe Walin for now. Rathmaskal

So at this point, it is important to realize that for the time being, the gondor spies and the companions have to be on the same team. That way, we both have a chance at winning. I find it kind of odd, I was chatting Alvron. (A pretty much useless chat. It's just gibberish on both parts) Then he mentioned my RP character name in his last post, then finished the post with "the song has ended" Which is also how he ended his last PM with me. Then he died. Knowing Alvron, he may have poisoned himself, then given us some encrypted message to save him. Or he knew he was poisoned. I don't know how though. I also asked him if he was Gandalf and had scanned xino, but then the cycle ended, and we all know he wasn't now. More thoughts later.

True. But it does give them another option to kill. So while it doesn't necessarily slow their wincon, it has the potential to do so.

Eliminated Vasher. Beldre Clubs Demoux Renarin Vivenna Susebron Karata Roial Ahan Daorn TRIPLE ELIMINATION! Who would be stuck in a love triangle together? (If triple elimination is too many at once, Who would be the most conflicted in a love triangle)

Still waiting for Saba in the sitting room, Wiltorn decided he needed some clarity. He could only remember small details about what was going on, or who he was. He completely stopped storing identity, and began tapping Suddenly a rush of identity flowed into him. He remembered who he was. All the rest of the details of his memory made sense, and he was no longer crazy. It all made sense. He had a plan. I'd better start storing again, so I can keep up the act. With that, Wiltorn began storing his identity once again. No one could know that he wasn't actually crazy. Suddenly, he lost almost all sense of identity again. All his memories lost the crucial interconnecting part, himself, and so they became nothing but jumbled messes of thoughts and ideas. Back to being crazy,

Okay, Assuming we believe you, do you know why the Hand continues to help you stay alive? If you are just a mere Companion, then why would the hand continue to save you, when it would slow down their own win condition? ______________ Caddor had learned to sleep with his eyes open. It was the only way to be safe in these times. Unfortunately, when you sleep under the stars, it also means you are startled to wakefulness by many movements. When a rather large bat flew by, Caddor was startled awake. Now he just sat listening to the sounds of the night. There were still a few people by the campfire, discussing a variety of topics. He couldn't hear much, but he heard them laughing. How can they be so indifferent? Caddor thought. The last two nights, two of his colleagues had been slaughtered. Yet everyone seemed to act as if nothing happened. They never committed to investigate anyone, thus allowing the enemy to hide right within their mists. After laying awake for nearly an hour, Caddor decided he needed to relieve himself, so he walked into the woods, finished his business, and returned to camp. On the way, he stopped for a sip of water from the creek, then went back to lie in bed. After about 10 more minutes, He began dreaming once again.

So is the only elim kill by the mordor assassins? When I have more time, I'm going to look and see who keeps the lynches close. Because this is just ridiculous.

So, since you're on here all the time, you may know that I'm trying to collect breaths! I'm willing to compensate you for it. Just say "my life to yours, my breath become yours." Also, have an upvote! Also who is your favorite main character, also your favorite supporting character.

I feel like Walin gets lynched early in almost every game because of his playstyle. While I don't think he's guilty this game, I will leave my vote where foe the sake of getting a lynch started so information can start to get out there @Dalinar Kholin Sorry, quite function isn't working properly. ...anyway, what in the rules made you change your mind?

I'm relatively disappointed in everyone's activity this whole game. I'm also guilty of it though, being part of the AG, and out of town. Now I'm back in town, and the AG has ended, so hopefully all of our activity levels can increase in this game from here on out. I also think part of the reason, as I stated previously, I think there are more "elims" in this game than a standard game, and if they stay silent, they have a better chance of winning. So until everyone else begins to be active, it is in the interest of the elims to be inactive as well.