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    I view the thread relatively often, but I don't post anything unless I have a sufficient chunk of contiguous free time, which is not always the case when I view the thread. I also have a tendency to vote late in the cycle instead of voting early and changing my vote several times, which is a tendency I might get around to changing at some point. While everyspren is welcome to roleclaim if they wish, I haven't felt that there are enough spren capable of immediately proving their roles that a mass claim would limit the search for Sja-Anat enough to offset the conversion information the elims would gain. Perhaps others feel as you do, in which case I would like to hear others' opinions. @Mailliw73, how will the writeup indicate the effects of vote manipulation from Inkspren and Illumination?
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    Coop (4) - Randuir, Lumgol, Rath, Devotary Lumgol (2) - Levitaph, Coop Fifth (2) - Shqueeves, Fura Sart (2) - Elandera, CadCom Rath (1) - Lopen CadCom (1) - Sart We've got a pretty wide spread of votes here. I'm not really seeing the lynch on Sart, even though it is definitely not true that having time to post gives one time to make an informed vote. I think that I'll put a 4th vote on Coop unless he wants to make progress towards gaining a Radiant with a second and third post.
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    Votes have happened, it seems. I note that Shqueeves has in the past used RNG to place votes as a villager, so that's not innately suspicious. Lum doesn't seem to be acting the same way she did last game as an eliminator, but I would assume that would be true regardless of alignment as offering to help others make decisions is frowned upon. The immediate vote on Fifth is odd, as the vote was 1-1 at that point with well over a day left in the cycle, and no attempt had yet been made to get Sart to retract his vote. I'm personally of the opinion that even bad ideas are better than no ideas as far as strategy is confirmed as the former can potentially be improved. Suggesting that inactives might be evil allowed us to come to the public statement that inactives are less likely to be evil as they are poor conversion targets. There is also a difference between Sja-Anat and a standard elim, as she starts off powerful and vulnerable and gradually weakens in power and becomes the most expendable elim. Fifth took the time to come up with some reasoning for his countervote, which has since been retracted. There's no information on how Fifth acts as an original elim, and I disagree that mechanics analysis during the early part D1 acts as a screen for player analysis(especially as a number of people have said they wouldn't contribute anything until they reread the rules), but he sounds more like a villager with strong opinions than a villager worried about being lynched. The fact that nobody who has voted for him has done so with any specific reasoning other than keeping his vote around helps this conclusion. Fura should be coming back in a couple of hours? so we'll see if that reasoning stands. Coop doesn't seem to have a history of bandwagoning D1 so far as I can tell, choosing instead to lynch the GM on a couple occasions, but data is limited there. It's hard to tell how much of that vote was a safe place to gain a percentage chance of becoming a Radiant spren and how much was actual suspicion of Lum, especially as the lynch was slowly starting to sway away from Lum. If it's the former, Coop will want to get those three posts in.
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    Elandera survives two 50-50% chances, but in the end the almighty Gods of Luck and Chance claim the life of the third Forgotten and gives the Soldiers their second win that required lucky tiebreakers. I really should have known that Elandera was evil after the acid claim, which would have come up far earlier had it been true. At least Steeldancer was able to use my bribe to good effect.
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    It will likely be easier to find Sja-Anat than a particular convert, because of the surviving the lynch ability, because she's the only one with a suspicious ability that can be viewed by Highspren, and because many other players can prove their spren type(Highspren, Truthspren, Inkspren, Stormfather for sure, the others could probably engineer a situation where they could demonstrate their role). It would probably be counterproductive and boring for those spren to claim, but it may be helpful later on to narrow down possibilities for the conversion role. I personally will be focusing on item creation, particularly hoping to synthesise my very own Radiant. I will be happy to share my results with anyone who asks, especially if the Cryptics get the PMs up.
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    If Celebrant wasn't safe anymore, Meladian didn't plan on spending any more time here than necessary. If she had a Radiant she'd be able to collect materials from the physical realm, but for now, scavenging and bartering for materials and items was the only option. Perhaps she could create her own Radiant. Surely that couldn't be too difficult. Meladian gathered that humans were made out of flesh and had some sort of liquid inside them, both of which were standard essences. Perhaps the Stormfather would know more.
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    So who took the three lanterns C2? I remember Gaea claiming one, Arraenae the second, and Snipexe a third. Was there a fourth person who claimed a lantern? We might be able to determine guilt from that I'm not thinking that elim!Elandera would force me to vote for her by setting up a direct conflict with me, though it would have been helpful if she'd claimed acid back during C3. I'll put my vote on Snipexe for now. Edit: If there was a fourth lantern claimant, then Snipexe is probably evil. If there was not a fourth lantern claimant, then either Elandera is evil or Joe was bribed by a villager.
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    I'm actually pretty sure Elandera is lying. I used my lantern C2 as I've said, and it showed that Kidpen and CadCom attempted to grab crabs. @Sart, would my scan have shown that CadCom attempted to take a crab if he'd been roleblocked?
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    I'm still reasonably sure that it was the elims who used the bribe C2. That would mean a team of CadCom+Snipexe would have been pretty sure of killing Snipexe and leaving CadCom alive. A team of CadCom+Elandera would give a 50% chance of a teammate dying, with Elandera becoming more trusted if CadCom survived and then later died. @Snipexe and @Elandera, what actions did you take C2?
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    Especially after last game, I would not have risked having a teammate needlessly die C1. Bussing teammates early to gain trust also isn't fun for the player killed. I also confirmed that Kidpen was the second player to go for the crab that C2, which I stated in thread C4.
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    So Elandera went for the gun, while Snipexe is claiming to have used either a lantern or a crab. Steeldancer somehow knew that Xinoehp had taken a bribe, suggesting that Steel used a lantern on the same cycle that the lone elim submitted a kill. I don't know how Steel could have known what Xino did if a lantern wasn't used. Elandera was the decisive vote on CadCom, and evidently went for the gun last cycle which would be a terrible idea for an elim. I still don't see why CadCom would have voted for Snipexe instead of Kidpen if Snipexe was evil though.
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    Now that Kidpen has claimed bribe, it becomes more important for anyone else who might have bribed me to claim. Ifthe player who bribed Joe C2 was not CadCom, they should claim if they're still alive, as I somewhat doubt that the elim team started with two bribes.
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    I'm assuming that whoever bribed me did so when my vote was still on Gaea. I'm not sure if it's worth it for whoever did so to claim.
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    A tie finally went against us it seems. I forgot to take an action because I assumed the game was going to end, so I don't have a bribe. We have enough players to lynch Kidpen though.
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    So Joe is definitely the thief. If Joe has three items, he has no reason to lie anymore. If Joe only has two items, we can afford a mislynch. I can switch back to Kidpen. @xxGaea, @A Joe in the Bush, @Elandera, @Steeldancer are we voting on Kidpen, or am I going insane?
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    How did you confirm that Gaea didn't have any items? There aren't any abilities other than thief that can do that. @A Joe in the Bush, did you not go for acid C1? Two buckets of acid were taken, so I really assumed that you were one of them. I still think it's better for Joe to be roleblocked than lynched. If Joe does have a bucket of acid and is not the thief, perhaps roleblocking whichever of Kidpen and Gaea we don't lynch. If Kidpen is evil and lying about Joe being the thief, I don't see how that benefits him. The elims lose just as surely as we do if the thief wins, although that may be preferable to letting the village win. Alternatively, elim!Kidpen knows who the thief is and kills them to prevent the game from ending. If Kidpen is telling the truth, then lynching Gaea should end the game. I'll shift my vote to Gaea for now, but would like to hear other people's opinions.
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    I'm guessing the thief was the one to take a bucket of acid D1, as they were both taken with only one claim. The writeup does suggest that the thief stole the gun, which would mean Xino is not the thief, but it's unclear how much the writeup can be trusted. Additionally, we still win if we kill the last elim today regardless of whether or not the thief gets their four items, so it's probably better to roleblock potential thieves than to kill them.
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    More than a day later, and we haven't heard from either Gaea or Kidpen. Now, I have to choose between a player who could have saved CadCom but didn't, and a player who could have submitted a kill but didn't. As either Kidpen or Gaea would have been able to add/keep the tiebreaking vote, I'm inclined to believe the elims were fine with a tie and using up their bribe. That makes me more suspicious of Kidpen. Just in case, I'll ask @xxGaea if she observed anything with the lantern she claimed to be taking C2. Joe, you didn't send that message to everyone. Which players specifically did you PM?
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    Meladian the Lightspren is eager to explore and collect as many essence items as possible. Will Lightspren be informed of the composition of items they find? Is an essence item's value equal to the number of essences it's composed of? Do all essence items need to be composed of at least two essences? Can the Stormfather burn a life to bond themselves?
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    Unless anyone else claims a bribe, neither Steel nor Xino can be the elim or the thief. Joe helped lynch both Lumgol and CadCom, while Elandera ensured that even a bribe wouldn't be enough to save CadCom. Snipexe was the one CadCom tried to kill in self-preservation. That leaves Gaea and Kidpen as possible elims. Of the two, only Kidpen posted last cycle, which is the best argument for Gaea not being evil, though it isn't impossible that Gaea still submitted an action to kill Stink. Removing her vote from Snipexe is a benefit, but I do see a possibility that Gaea was the one to bribe Joe while CadCom's kill was blocked by the lynch. Kidpen was around C2 to see that CadCom was up for the lynch. I know he wasn't the one to use the bribe because he took a crab that cycle. That means he should have been able to switch his action from taking a crab to killing someone. As he wouldn't have been able to use it if he killed Stink, it's theoretically possible we could prove whether or not @Kidpen is evil by asking him what action someone took last night. Elandera: Tahree Fields A Joe in the Bush: Joel Tawson xinoehp512: Rogiv xxGaea: Iria Byrd Kidpen: Snapizar Devotary of Spontaneity: Caccoo Moreau Steeldancer: Steel Kid the Science Squid Snipexe: Snip @Elandera, there's no reason I would have voted for Lumgol if I had been evil. It would have been far easier to just not let a teammate die C1 again. My comment about Xino being evil was because in MR27, voting for Elenion to create a tie led to Kynedath dying and flipping elim. I also would have submitted a kill C2 instead of using my lantern.
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    I'm assuming that it was a Forgotten that attempted to save CadCom, because of the lack of a kill and because there didn't seem to be too many people willing to use up the bribe they began the game with to save CadCom. Snip would not have used a bribe when such a thing might have led to his death. If you and CadCom were both elims, it would have been pretty easy for him to save himself by voting for Kidpen instead. With one Forgotten already dead, needlessly ensuring that another one dies would be foolish. You could still be the thief, but I doubt that you're Forgotten.
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    Another unlucky coinflip for the elims. Nobody was killed last cycle, but I'm not willing to say that's because the third elim was inactive. With the help of the lantern I started the game with, I was able to confirm that CadCom did indeed go for a crab, which means he was not the one to bribe Joe. If nobody claims to be the briber, I will assume that the third elim was the one to bribe Joe, and was thus not able to submit a kill.
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    This is a possibility, though delaying the game is a bit risky with the thief's four cycle countdown in place. I do see that in MR27, one of the elims also started out by taking chalk, so such a move is reasonable. It may partially be to deny villagers of defences. Also, Gaea did say cycle one that she wouldn't be particularly active over the next few days. The strangest thing about CadCom is that he didn't take the crab, despite being active enough to do so. I somewhat feel that if the interaction between CadCom and Lumgol had been contrived, he would have made more effort to actually take the crab. The main possibility I see for CadCom to be evil is if a third elim was not around to submit a kill, forcing CadCom to take that action.
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    Congratulations to the vigilantes, the vote manipulators, and Aman who put the game out of reach within the first couple of cycles. PMs definitely hurt us by allowing the eliminators to learn the naming mechanisms, especially as none of the spammers were particularly invested in PMs, but we still could have survived that. In particular, I definitely should have claimed Disciple as Gamma Fiend, overriding my fear that whoever had that actual role would counterclaim me. It turned out that multiple people had that same role, so I wouldn't have been obviously lying unless both Rae and Snip claimed. I do believe the JOE role was mostly fine as it was, although possibly should have been changed to allow conversions either during the week or the weekend to give converts more incentive to actually use the role. As it was, the JOEs still would have won if we'd succeeded in our 75% chance to convert Steel. In a game where the spammers put up a better fight, the JOEs would definitely have a good chance to win with either side.
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    One Forgotten dead. Was Lumgol actually going for the chalk? Such a thing would only have been helpful to block a gun kill. If she did try for chalk, that further indicates that the gun did not end up with the Forgotten So one piece of chalk, two buckets of acid, one lantern, and one gun were taken. Of those, all were claimed except for the second bucket of acid, and the double gun claim did not lead to any accidents.That suggests that a lot of people either forgot to submit actions or used items they already possessed.
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