Devotary of Spontaneity

"We ... eat inactive? Living, no kill. Help you." "Pyramid, no bottom. Pyramid has all."

You definitely didn't claim Thug to me. Fifth told me that you had claimed Thug, and since you roleclaimed to Aman it makes sense to reveal that publicly, but I had not heard a roleclaim from you. I supported lynching Sart D3, not Aman. It's easy to tell that was the case, as I voted for Sart that cycle. I was concerned that Aman was getting votes at the very end of the cycle, and wanted to make sure we didn't have a hammer on Aman. We don't have enough votes for a lynch yet, and going for Lum seems like a potential no-lynch if she activates her Thug protection. Fifth, Araris, and Stick have been the most consistent anti-Aman posters, so I'm not willing to lynch them at this time. Ventyl requires proof of a hostile Smoker to lynch. Between Straw and Snip, I would vote for Snipexe, who I guess is Coop now. Hmm. Still, I'm not really sure about the plan of voting for someone while ensuring another vote on that player is removed, the D2 nonvote is a bit odd, and the pushing for elim!Fifth partially on the basis that Aman's survival seemed natural is making me put my vote here. I don't know why Snip is being replaced at this point, but sorry Coop if your player dies today..

"No kill. No kill! Peace, patience" "Zombie, friend? Harmony, happy together. Help food?"

"Livvvving... Fish, cow, dog, rabbit; but no dead. No kill."

Snip didn't vote between Fura and I day 2 when the lynch was 6-5, which based on Snip's comment today, presumably means he didn't believe either lynch was justified. We've seen that behaviour can be village, but with the other non-voters that cycle being filter-killed, an elim, and the Kandra, it's a bit stranger. Snip was also the main voice for elim!Fifth, notably in a way that suggests Aman's survival was not a WGG, and one of two people who voted for Aman over Rath yesterday. Along with Straw, Snip is another player who almost died to the filter. Despite making the post count N4 to avoid death and making a post today, he's potentially going to be pinch-hit. I would be annoyed with myself if Snip is evil and might well have died last night if I hadn't reminded him about the filter. Unless there are two roleless elims, having people with known roles demonstrate their use at least forces the elims to waste a potential role usage if one of the people with known roles is evil. Also, narrowing down the people who could submit a kill makes it easier for a Seeker scan to observe the kill taking place.

"So much for negotiations", was Leon's last thought before the Zombie knocked him over and bit him in the ankle. Jeans were proof against Zombie bites, but woolen socks were not. He arose, now a Zombie. What else had Friedrich lied about? He did a quick self-diagnostic. Pain? No. Speed? Unaffected, but would surely decrease as rigor mortis and muscular atrophy set in. Endurance? Improved, no ill effects from three hard days of walking. Logical faculties? Surprisingly intact. Hunger level? ............................................................... Infinite. Fish, milk, corn, protein bars were no longer sufficient. Fooooooooood? Help! Help food, help shelter. Speech? Poor.

The milk was not enough food to satiate a day's worth of hunger, so if you didn't go hungry it was because of the fruits and berries. Did anyone other than you receive fruits and berries? Does anyone object to an attempt to convince the farmer to come with us? That would allow us to bring the chickens along without having to get the farmer killed. Along with that, I'd rather not provoke a fight today. Zombies, I realise you have some motivation to attack us given that Lum specifically attacked Fifth, but is there a way you could not attack us or the farmer?

So we've got one vote for Straw and one vote for Lum, while the mini-lynch on Ventyl is gone. Straw almost died to the filter this game after going through a turn with only one post while being around enough to post in the other game, apparently due to traveling. That one post was provoked by Aman pinging him. I would think elim!Straw having been warned by his teammates that he was close to a needless death, would have tried harder to get in that second post. Straw did end up coming back D4, a couple of hours after I sent him a PM reminding him that he would die, but he never responded to my message. Apart from this, Straw in general has been very supportive of lynches 2 and 4, and was gone D3 when Aman was in the most danger. Lum apparently has a role that is more suited to a villager to an elim. @Lumgol, did you roleclaim to Aman? Now that Aman is dead, I would like to hear about your earlier stated beliefs that Fifth was likely evil assuming an elim!Aman, which then changed to doubt about Fifth and belief that I was an elim with Aman. Do you still hold either of these views? The main reasoning against Ventyl is his Soother role and his close ties to Aman. At the beginning of the game, I didn't find two village Soothers to be too unlikely, especially as there don't appear to be any Rioters, village or otherwise. There definitely could be an elim soother though. The fact that Ventyl appeared not to have submitted a kill makes me feel better about him. The only person who knew I would be Seeking Ventyl was Fifth, but today's voting makes me feel a Ventyl-Fifth team is less likely, and thus Ventyl is likely village unless a Smoker pops up. To be safe, it would be nice if @Ventyl would Soothe a vote today to make him ineligible to submit a kill. Do you have any results from cycles where multiple people contacted you that you'd like to share? Presumably, elims can actually PM their team members, which might be a good way to throw off Tineye scans. If our second Tineye decided to scan Aman for instance, we can't assume that all of his contacts from provably 1-1 PMs are necessarily village. According to Aonar, Aman asked him early D3 if he had killed Xino, and this was when Aonar claimed responsibility for the kill. I do not know whether Aman's suspicion was prompted by anything other than Aonar's post at the end of N2.

So how do we want to deal with the Zombies in our midst? I see we have one suggestion that we let the farmer deal with them. I doubt the farmer would help us if he survived, and would possibly kill Ian and anyone else who plans to walk towards the farmhouse. Another pressing issue is food. @I think I am here., what did you eat last cycle such that you are able to take three actions this cycle? We can't afford to let our actions dwindle away to nothing. I think we need to make peace with the farmer, and try to convince anyone else living in that house to come with us to safety in exchange for taking the chickens with us and borrowing the gun to ward off Zombies. We will not be able to make peace if our first encounter is us leading a horde of Zombies towards the farmhouse.

The elims have known Ventyl's role for a long time. Aman knew he was a Soother since D3 at the latest, quite possibly as early as N1 when Aman claimed Lurcher to Ventyl.

Let's not lynch the Zombies I guess. We'll have to deal with them some other way though, as apparently the Zombies are willing to attack the living of their own volition. For some reason, we didn't get fed from killing Daisy. Why is that?

"Why are we going to all the effort to harvest cow brains for Tanky Boi if we're just going to kill him again? Either we restrain him and try to placate him with food or we destroy him right now; doing both is inefficient. We can't just kill this Zombie and keep killing any others who may become undead, we have to figure out how this happened and shut down the problem at its source. We have multiple reports that Lum was attacked, but today, we need to find out where the threat is coming from."

D3, I claimed Seeker to Ventyl, and he claimed to have been the Soother who removed my vote. 3 hours after Ventyl responded, Aman asked me in PM whether I'd be willing to scan Xino's killer to make sure they weren't the Kandra. I requested that Aman not tell me who the killer was until the lynch on Sart was resolved, but then ~10 minutes before rollover, Aonar claimed to have been the one Aman wanted me to Seek. I was afraid of dying N3, so I Seeked Aonar D3 and he turned up roleless. Aonar then said he had been lying to Aman, and agreed to continue the pretense of being a Coinshot in the hopes of eating an elim kill. I never told Aman my scan results except to say that Aonar wasn't a Kandra, which turned out to be false. Last night, I made another choice that turned out poorly, and action scanned Ventyl instead of Aman as I believed Aman would be self-protecting. Ventyl did not make any evident action, and since he would be the logical choice to submit the kill as he had a free action, I'm inclined to believe he's village or on a team with a Smoker. Edit: D4, I told Fifth that I had scanned Aonar as roleless.

I guess the Kandra had some sort of ability to block Seeker scans. Still, I'm not sure why Aonar claimed(likely accurately) to have killed Xino, nor why we was willing to tank the elim kill. This might mean we don't have a Coinshot after all, but the Kandra killing two elims for us is most appreciated.

I'm surprised the river had enough fish to feed us all. Potential food sources for this round appear to be cows, milk, and honey. Perhaps we could take the cows with us. Exactly one Zombification today, and it targeted someone who planned to stand watch. @Straw, anyone else, did you happen to see where the Zombie that bit Lum came from? This almost seems like an elim kill. Since I believe Lum had the same item Rath claimed that makes the holder not need to eat, I doubt her Zombification was due to hunger. Perhaps this item will prevent her from trying to eat us. I'm assuming from Fifth's post and my current item status that everyone received a sharpened stick. Not the most effective weapon, but it should keep hostiles at a distance.

I've claimed Seeker to a lot of people, including Aman. That's how I knew that Rath was a Soother and how word of that got around.

At this point, we're hoping the Kandra has a kill so they can take out some elims. If Aman is a Lurcher, that kill won't work unless he decides to protect one of his teammates. If the Kandra does have a kill, they definitely didn't use it N1 or N3.

As a follow up, do sequential actions all fail if one of them is deemed not plausible? If Snip attempts to gather sticks and vines to make snares, but you decide that this forest doesn't have any vines, does the make snares action fail outright, or is it just less successful?

"If 'strangely silent' wildlife means no wildlife, snares won't be catching any food. They might serve as a deterrent to a more hostile type of being." I think it's more exciting if Alv's initial tag of 'You're all dead' was made to be taken entirely literally. The alternative is there are people among us who want the Zombies to kill us all, each of whom would have three kill actions. We'll probably get an indication of which is the case by the end of the cycle.

"Water could be a problem if nobody thought to bring any containers? Whoever has the map, how close does the stream's path conform to our desired route? Will we lose access to it as we move closer to safety? In addition to clean water, the stream might contain fish or other seafood where the land animals have vanished. @xinoehp512, you have a rope. Would it be possible for you to turn that rope into a net? With a net, we could attempt to fish, and at night, we can use the netting to create hammocks and stay off the ground at night. I doubt those Zombies can climb."

You mentioned the possibility that Aman was a standard elim, which is incompatible with him being a confirmed SK. I do admit that many of the reasons for lynching you before Aman are based on potentially inaccurate beliefs about Aman's playstyle, namely that SK!Aman would prefer the village to win than the elims, and that elim!Aman wouldn't bus a teammate just to save himself, especially since Aman will actually for sure be lynched tomorrow. With those assumptions, SK!Aman would mean his scans are accurate and elim!Aman means that you are village. SK!Aman gains one extra cycle of life from lynching you. While his odds of winning still wouldn't be great with the Kandra description he gave, they're worse if he dies today. I'm inclined to feel that if you're going to vote for someone in a close lynch, you've committed to making sure that your target dies. You felt the need to cast a vote that saved me from a 50% chance of death, but that didn't translate into making sure no one vote manipulator could change the lynch outcome. Aman has claimed immunity to night kills, and that if he dies, he can select someone to be a Kandra. That player will keep their old role, gain the win condition of killing everyone else, but does not gain kill-immunity and will permanently die if they are lynched or killed. I would not put it past him to be lying about this, e.g. his night 1 survival was an extra life rather than passive immunity and thus he can be killed at night, but the above is what he claimed. If you still believed that it was unlikely for their to be two village Soothers, why didn't you tell me that you thought the second Soother was probably evil when I asked?

We're not lynching you just because Aman claims to have proof that you're evil. More than just the double Soother thing, it's the fact that your lack of vote manipulation makes me think you don't care about the lynch outcome so much as saving your action for the night kill. The D2 lynch was well within Rioter range, and the D3 lynch would have been had you Soothed a vote from Sart. We can't have confirmed SK and potential elim. Lynching you gives essentially the same information as lynching Aman, as either way we'll be able to tell if his scans are real or not. In the short term, lynching SK!Aman will likely be similar to lynching a villager as there's a decent chance he would Kandrify a villager. In the long term, we still have to deal with the Kandra, but we'll lose to the elims much faster than we would lose to a Kandra. That means an elim!Aman getting village!Rath lynched is only moderately worse than lynching SK!Aman, as we'd still lynch Aman tomorrow either way. The main drawback is that we'd be back to no information on the Kandra's identity or abilities. I don't think we'd lose tomorrow by lynching SK!Aman, but it wouldn't be great. At worst, which is lynch SK!Aman, he hops into a villager, the elim kill and the Coinshot kill both take out a villager, and village!Straw dies to the filter, giving us 3-3-1 with the new Kandra voting against an elim Soother hammer. In practice, the Coinshot kill would take out Rath in this scenario.

It's at worst 7-3-1 at this point. Assuming Rath is evil, which I would definitely believe is true, that goes to 7-2-1 by the end of the night. One kill later is 6-2-1. We lynch Aman, who at this point would have a fourth alignment scan. If he really wanted the village to win, he would pick an elim who we would have to kill anyway. If not, and he picks a villager, it's 5-2-1. Another villager dies, 4-2-1. We would then have to figure out who fits on the elim team ourselves, though the new Kandra had better help or else the elims could reach parity with a mislynch and kill here. If we can lynch and kill down to 3-1-1 here, we might have a chance. This of course does not account for the Coinshot, who will presumably be doing something during this time. They can get a kill off tonight, hopefully. If they become a Kandra, we can deal with that, though I'm guessing the GMs made it so the new Kandra scans as their original role just to be mean. This will be ugly, but if we don't lose anyone to the filter and the Coinshot kills an elim tonight, it should be winnable. Rath just is a Soother, and Aman apparently knows for sure that Rath is an elim Soother.

SK!Aman is not a dedicated Lurcher and presumably survived with an extra life or a Mistborn self-protect. He would have to assume that there was probably another Lurcher out there when he claimed. As a Kandra who absolutely cannot afford to go 1v1 against someone and be wrong, going up against Sart like that is foolish without knowing for sure that Sart would flip elim. As Sart is village, this was not the case Additionally, if Aman had been Seeked at any point and found to not be a Lurcher, he'd be sunk. Elim!Aman is probably more likely. In this scenario, Aman pulls a WGG on himself, and claims Lurcher when he comes under fire for it. I'm not sure what his plan was if another Lurcher did end up claiming, as a 1 for 1 trade is far from ideal. Just hope the Mistborn was the only village source of iron? Bank on being able to kill a village Lurcher before they claimed? Aman apparently suspected Sart was the one to protect Drake before Sart claimed in thread. Even though Sart had not yet started to push the idea that the second Lurcher was automatically evil, elim!Aman assumes he's dead, as two village Lurchers plus a Mistborn seemed unlikely and nobody would ever believe that Sart protected him N1, so Aman sets up a 1 for 1 trade where at least Sart dies first. I can definitely see how this could happen, it just involves the elim team making some needless mistakes/Aman having a grand plan that involves bussing himself in exchange for role info and trust for his teammates. Village!Aman protects himself N1. When Drake survives N2 and denies being a Thug, Aman becomes worried that an elim!Lurcher saved Drake. I don't know how @Amanuensis would have gotten from here to saying that he didn't agree with lynching Drake. According to my PM with Aman, this was partially due to Fifth's certainty that Drake was evil, and if not, that Aman was evil. The other part was about reflecting on N2 events, and I'm not sure what that's referring to. Elim!Aman goes after Sart because he sees no other choice, but why does village!Aman switch? If Aman is evil, attacking him tonight probably won't do much good. Better to lynch him tomorrow unless we get a vig kill on an elim who doesn't fit on an elim!Aman team. The problem with that of course is those sorts of players are villagers assuming elim!Aman.

That was my original theory, but that would mean Xino was the Kandra, and started out knowing who all the elims were.