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  1. Archer
    If you unvote me we can exe Araria
  2. Archer
    Mat, I'll copy your vote. I have to I guess. Committed to Stick or voting Araris? Stick Araris
  3. Archer
    Archer and you aren't e-e, noted Honestly I've lost my appetite for a Stick exe. Araris is playing a very unremarkable game, whereas for all the reasons I've got to vote Stick, I've got a few niggling feelings that I'm wrong. I'd rather vote of Araris here
  4. Archer
    I'll just add that we're still working through the process of figuring out who you are. Being familiar with each other, most of us know how the others play and only comment on the stuff that stands out. We're still trying to guess how evil you would play in comparison to village you, so there's naturally more scrutiny. But you're definitely not being burdensome! You're not reading them as village? Araris. Stick I figured Aman knew this but was counting on vote manip breaking the tie eventually. Guess not. I'll flag that one thing I was watching for was someone not voting to ensure that their Mobborn conversion went through, but everyone but JNV has voted.
  5. Archer
    I'm having trouble differentiating between banter and lies that aren't meant to be read as lies Well I mean, clearly you realized that after you posted. And reacted by putting the vote back on. I didn't see Mat's first post as being especially suspicious, but you've remained on that train throughout this round. It doesn't seem right.
  6. Archer
    Dangit, lost my post trying to see what the new posts were. The summary is: -Theorizing Stick felt they'd backed away from Mat too easily and had to double down to compensate. That or changing their mind looks very villagey. -Stick feels performative. AHOY THERE A TUNNEL is odd. OH GOODY CAN WE CLAIM NOW is also odd (fake claim would be more village indicative) -Alpha, lets talk post game. I encourage you to play because the agency it offers you compare to spectating let's you figure out what buttons you need to push to get responses you can work with. -Araris' vote is valid, but a little too clean. General comment, then subtly vote me for voting someone else without quite saying that. Are you being defensive of Stick, Araris? :P. I'm scared about all these unread messages
  7. Archer
    I at least think that Mat would avoid the trigger word. You can say you're annoyed without using the term, so I'd expect e!them to do that instead. Or just not mention it. Interesting as in I'm throwing shade at you *whollup* I think it's a stretch to believe Alpha got lessons in the connotations of terms from the doc. I think it's a reasonable misinterpretation to believe that leaning village = "clear" I suppose I could ask you. I know elims commonly think like that when deciding who to kill, but does v!you explicitly rule people out like that? My village read of you was undermined when you said your Mat vote was more than bait for Alpha. I'm now leaning elim on ya, there's too much that doesn't sit right with me. People pay attention to the role they have. Araris commented on my Tineye theorizing, so I suspect he has it. Interested in whether Shining factored that in. I've had a different experience with him, but giving an authoritative take on the matter kind of ruins the point of the approach he's taking. As for Alpha, I feel like it's an engagement thing. They have less balance in their playstyle because they're not used to playing. That leads to them sort of coasting, then deciding to be very engaged for a while, in more of a boom-bust than players with more practice have. I feel like they found somewhere they thought they'd add value (analyzing Aman) and that caught their attention so they made a longer post about it. Thats somewhere they feel less confused about, so they gravitated towards it to produce a theory. I'm 75% confident that's the case. But I because it was the basis of a vote, I can see your explanation of Alpha taking an easy opportunity to vote for a villager being true instead.
  8. Archer
    Mat is painfully aware that one of his elim tells is being annoyed. I can't picture him using that word if he was evil. He's too self aware for that. Why are you taking Aman's ask at face value. I've also been treating it as village indicative for the fact that it's within the realm of treason, which seems uncharacteristic for them, so it's probably a mind game or trap. Alpha's assessment that an elim might want to get the Mobborns to hurt themselves by hitting them is a good thought, but far too obvious to be the case. I think your vote stability is a valid reason to be suspicious. It's also interesting that your response is to find reasons to trust Mat, not become more convinced he's evil. This is a poor read. Alpha has been co-opting the language of SE players (eg. Ninjad), but still has a murky sense of the weight that some terms carry. I wouldn't expect them to know the difference between cleared and leaning village. You and Araris aren't e-e, noted. Do you believe Araris is the Tineye? Does anyone remember if Stick says stuff like this? It's often thought, but it's weird to say it out loud, especially in a small game I like Araris as an option due to my e!Tineye theory. It's a good passive ability for the Mobborn to have, or action claiming situation defense for the Informers. @JNV you submit an order for a PM that is made by the GM during rollover. Araris. Stick
  9. Archer
    We're playing an MR. :P. Aman. Araris
  10. Archer
    Fabulous. Don't speak too soon, you might end up being converted. :P. I was focused on the fact that the Tineye gets a free PM, entirely forgetting that the person who could check if they have PMs is the Tineye. I'm inclined to still skaa read Stick for it, even if it had mixed motives. Hbu?
  11. Archer
    That's a shame. I was reading your Mat vote as bait to test Alpha, not a serious attack - and was Skaa reading you for it. I'm Skaa-reading Mat based on him not realizing there was 9 players, since being a member of a minor faction on a small team should have been a dead giveaway. I'm confused why you think that's where I was heading. I don't see any form of alliance being viable. DeTess seemed to be downplaying the threat level of the Mobborn in comparison to the Informers. They questioned why we'd want to hunt them down. I'm saying that our goal is to outnumber them, and in a SvM battle we'll care worse than a SvI fight. The NK and conversion both make us lose a player, but conversion also adds a player to the opposing side, so it's scarier. Ideally, killing a single Mobborn today before they can spread is the best case scenario, but in practice, I'm inclined to shoot members of either faction if they're identified.
  12. Archer
    Some self-corrections, based on what people have said and my re-reading the rules more closely: -Soothing isn’t a targetable action, so it has limited use for preventing conversion. Soother would be a good Skaa role. -“If one of the Mobborn tries to recruit an Informer, the Informer's kill will be redirected to that Mobborn, and the recruitment will fail.” This protects numbers of the Informer team (solidifying my 2-member guess), while pushing the Mobborn to recruit people they are confident are Skaa (limiting their options). Since the Informers also want to target the most villagey Skaa, they’re more likely to hit the same targets, either in the same round or over time. -On the topic of PMs, they’re an action that shows you’re not submitting a convert order or NK, so I strongly recommend that you make them. I suspect that the Inefficient Tineye is an Informer to work around this form of clearing. The Mobborn workaround is that they get a PM for free out of the conversion. -Depending on the calculated likelihood of conversion succeeding, I agree with the assessment that they are probably the Coinshot Role That’s Really a Thug to prevent early disasters. * These pinged me a possible cases of TMI: The Stick comment DeTess is responding too is also well informed. This pinged me as a case of not-TMI: I feel like a secondary edit isn't a planned misdirection from how much Silh knows. It feels like a genuine question that a Mobborn would rather not ask in public, lest they reveal a good way to trace them. Building off of my Informer Tineye guess, if this thought crossed the Informers' mind, I'd expect them to have made plans around identifying the Mobborn based on it, either concluding that it's a great idea they will secretly work towards, or learning that it won't work, so Silh wouldn't have that genuine question outstanding to ask. Also Silh is funny so they shouldn't die. :P. I think association analysis is made harder by the fact that they won't have been associated for long. We can pick up on shifts in stances on people, but we'll have less of a track record to work with. When did you read the rules and assume the Mobborn was a one-man team? Before or after looking at the final player-count? Re: Mobborn needing to prolong the game: Lets say C1 is 2I:1M:6S. Mix a Skaa, convert a Skaa, NK a Skaa. C2 2I:2M:3S. Fail to convert, NK a Skaa, mix a Skaa. 2I:2M:1S. At this point it's more likely a Mobborn dies to the NK, and more likely an Informer is exed, and more likely the Mobborn dies of they try to convert, so lets say they hold off. 1I:1M:1S, leading to Informers NKing whoever isn't exed for the win probably. Alternatively, the Mobborn do convert and it's 1I:2M and the Mobborn win. I don't think they need to expend a lot of energy prolonging the game when, due to the low player count, they'd probably be fine with just two conversions. I don't see the downside of making this a Skaa vs Informer battle by eliminating the Mobborns. Conversion means we lose a member and one is added to the enemy faction, whereas NKs just mean we lose someone. Plus they can be blocked. Sure, recruits can be killed, but we have to assume they'll make smart choices to avoid that happening very often. You seem supportive of a healthy-sized Mobborn team and I don't follow your reasoning about why that's better than making this just S vs I, minus the possibility of the Informers sniping us while we deal with the Mobborns. Alpha, would it be fair to characterize your argument thusly: you are a newish player with an unpredictable persona. DeTess is a returning player who doesn't have a recent track-record to judge. If the Mobborn team only has one player, it's very important for the balance of the game that they make reasonable decisions in line with how the GM expects them to play eg. they need to submit a conversion order every round, they need to fend off attacks in thread fairly competently in the early stages. You believe that a GM seeking predictability to maintain the integrity of the game balance would avoid selecting one of you two to be the Mobborn when deciding alignment distribution for the game.
  13. Archer
    Must be cast on the same person or total across the field? I miscounted how many players we have during my prep work. My initial thoughts were balancing a 12 player roster: 2M:7S:3I. If by the end of C2, one of every faction dies, a Mobborn convert occurs of a Skaa, and the Skaa take the extra death, it will be 2M:4S:2I. That feels like a reasonable progression. -One Mobborn is too volatile, so you have to have at least two. With Soothing, action shenanigans, and kills floating around, let's say they only convert someone every other cycle. -It's possible the Informers will be Mobborned, so they need a healthy number of members. But there's a built in assumption that villageish infighting will prevent them from being targeted as aggressively as normal, so those factors even out to the default of about a quarter. -The Survivors have no fractional ability, so the distro compensates by giving them the most members. -I think I'm going to back off of my multiple Mobborn assumption and assume less Soothing in play to compensate. -I'm going to make the argument for 2 Informers. 3 vs a coordinated village in a normal game is considered a little over powered, especially with a party wincon. So it has to be two. -1M:2I:6S is where I'm at, unless it's 2M with a lower likelihood of someone being converted each cycle. Aman
  14. Archer
    In as Sam the Witch, recently widowed by choice.
  15. Archer
    In as Forge Tabowtit, improvised weapons dealer.
  16. Archer
    Darn, I was hoping for a comeback. Good game, elims. The D1 play distanced you from each other nicely. (Now apologize for what you did to poor Telrao!) Thanks for running this, Mat, Striker. Nice link, Mat
  17. Archer
    I checked the rules post but it wasn't clear from that if that was a restriction or not. I voted on Stick, Tel, and TKN before I landed on Sart. At that point I hadn't found one which I didn't regret very quickly afterwards, so when Sart made a lengthy post in response to it, I decided to call it a day and commit to that avenue. I don't generally find writing/playstyle analysis very compelling, so I'd avoided those discussions. The fact that my vote was confirmed wrong looks bad, but I suspect the majority of us were wrong too, so I'd caution about making too much of it.
  18. Archer
    I've been wary of them for a similar reason, but I'm leaning village on them. I don't see why they'd burn their plausible deniability card by acknowledging they're taking advantage of their newness. It's also a risky playstyle in a game with a CS. I'm going to assume Rushu can make PMs they aren't in, but they should check that before they do anything. Wiz moved their vote to create an intentional tie near EoD. Imagine e!they're nervous about being the one to cast the tiebreaking vote that decides the round. This explains why they went for a massive tie instead of sitting on their Ash vote or switching to a more impactful wagon. But it has the impact of soft-clearing a bunch of players. Is that worth keeping your hands cleaner? I don't see that being a worthwhile outcome unless e!Ashbringer is a factor. If there's two elims who ended in the tie, that risk calculation points you towards switching from Ashbringer to casting a decisive third vote somewhere else.
  19. Archer
    Ene Seattle had been blindsided before. By Cupid's arrow, on a rainy night many years prior. But the Crew's accusations came even further out of the blue. The ocean blue. Her eyes welled up with tears. She looked through the watery barrier. She was drowning. A hand grabbed her leg. Bubbles escaped her ruby lips as she was pulled deeper. Somehow she knew the hand belonged to the man she had killed. Star Guy's face leered up at her. How were they sinking so quickly? "You're Sleepless, Ene Seattle." Her vision dimmed. "WAKE UP." * I see I was suspected! And then Kas walked away from it for a vanity vote with no explanation. That's not a great way to make your dreams come true, my man. Can you walk me through your thought process here? What's behind this reaction? I see you cleared everyone involved in the tie (except Ash). Plus Wiz for helping the tie along. And Kas because you like Pokemon. And yourself. Making TKN and Xino the less obvious clears there. TKN because of the read you did of them. And Xino also got deep dove into. This is a very logically consistent list.
  20. Archer
    I misinterpreted your offer to sell out your PM as a Rushu claim. My apologies I look forward to the explanation! Sart This is the type of post you attach a poke vote to. You didn't. That's weird.
  21. Archer
    I'm getting faint memories of you saying your elim strategy is to ignore tough questions, so this isn't improving my read of you. Why Stick? Why claim? Who do you think is the same type of confused as you? If yours is genuine, people with similar stances should also be village
  22. Archer
    You should be gunning for the power roles, in hopes of identifying the CS. Why'd you claim? I read it as a defensive tactic that makes more sense for an elim. E!you knows the village will defer to wanting to keep PMs open, v!you doesn't know if the elims would rather open or closed backchannels. I'm glad it's not a factor because that was going to be an ethical dilemma re: how much to exploit that. Neutral Archer is always on top things though! I'll take these posts together since my thinking on Araris now applies to Alpha as well. If you're hyper-thread aware, which admittedly I wouldn't count on them being, Telrao is a bad wagon to camp on. My vote is unstable because a key reason for it was fairly quickly refuted. The train is going to collapse if I pull out, forcing you to move your vote if you want to look like you're actively engaged. I don't see an elim choosing to +1 me. Telrao TKN
  23. Archer
    ...icrowave Why that vote, Alpha? Don't have the quote, but Stick defending Wiz by correcting my interpretation of their post about sheeping is a good look. (Assuming they're not e-e). Stick Quick note on the distribution discussion. In pre-approval, I flagged the idea that the villagers all PM one protected person who is trusted in order to prove they have not submitted the NK. My guess is Mat is balancing against that using a v!CS who would be exposed by that and no v!bodyguards. Being responsive to pressure is sus, so here's a catch 22, Telrao
  24. Archer
    It's a little early for sheeping My thinking was that village me goes hmm, two votes on me. I don't care. End of thought. Elim me might think elim me would be too comfortable, knowing that my teammates can save me, so I'd try to come up with an excuse for my chill attitude. This back and forth doesn't feel e-e.
  25. Archer
    oh no, it's again Thankfully that wasn't a terrible 3 pages to wade through, but if y'all make this a million page game again I will protest. This read seems too complicated. I feel bad for Araris. This guy rolls elim so often he had to rewrite the standard rules of SE to guarantee he'd be a villager for once just to get a moment's peace.
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