Ethan_sedai

I wonder if you could steal what they have in their stomach at the time, like could you spike them if they were full, and then you can be full (I know, it is a horrible waste, but that's how hemalurgy works.)

there would definitely be an effect, but it might be a different effect than you think.

"know everything and post it to the 17th Shard" this would probably have the same result as necro threads.

for toasting up theories.

how about "necro threads" (oh, wait, I can do that myself.) what would probably then happen: "I felt a great disturbance in the Shard, as if millions of threads suddenly cried out, and were silenced"

Insanity, and coming up with insane theories.

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I kind of feel the same as @Ookla the Leyspren, if you don't want to post it to everyone, just PM it to me, also, please. PS. If anyone finds new info, but it has been a while, I'm ok if you want to necro this thread, since it's mine.

that makes sense, and thanks for being willing to let me know. eh, good enough.

by "this" do you mean your response that you deleted, or my theory? if it is my theory, then yay! First person to believe one of my theories! if it was your response, I, personally would be very interested to hear what you came up with. you might want to put it in spoilers, though, for potentially spoiling future books. RAFO'd to death... sounds like it would make Alcatraz's list of unfun ways to die. possible, but improbable. might need to activate the Improbability Drive...

yes, I know it wasn't a "next question please" because mine was going to be the last question, but he didn't want the last question to be a RAFO, so he let another person ask a question. although, I can see him giving RAFOs just to mess with us. i might have to try again later, and rephrase it so that it isn't as obvious what I'm after. Edit: it also might have just been him not wanting to spoil anything for anyone.

that was me, actually! I just forgot the exact wording of my question, and his exact reaction, so I didn't want to post it in case I got it wrong. glad someone was paying more attention than I was. it seems pretty accurate though, from what I remember. also, I agree, why would he RAFO it if it was just the Atium? if it was, I think he would have just said "yes, that is the Atium." the biggest reason I think that was that I was going to be the last person in the crowd to ask a question, and he seemed to feel a little bad about the last question someone asked being a RAFO, so he let another person ask a question after me. If it was the Atium, he would have answered, and wouldn't have needed to let another person ask a question, so it was probably closer to a "I'm not going to tell you right now, because I'll reveal that later" RAFO than a "go look it up" RAFO.

are we sure, though? because the planet isn't just Investiture, it is a planet with a soul that has been Invested to the point of Sentience, so it isn't just Investiture like a Spren, it is more like Planet and Investiture, which is closer to Kelsier, which was his soul plus Investiture, I think (you guys convinced me that Kelsier was different, so why not the planet?)

so we know now that the different kinds of self-aware Investiture definitely act differently, and since this isn't a spren, it still might be possible. but thanks, though, for finding that! (now we can stop arguing over whether or not it will work because of differences or similarities between Cognitive Shadows and Spren,)

yeah, I probably misinterpreted that. It was probably just the first thing my mind went to, because It's hard for me to wrap my mind around it still being physical matter, but it isn't physical.

sorry, that was a bit vague. what I meant is that because they still have a physical aspect, (yes, I know they aren't dead) they would interact differently with a Shard, but because they are in the Cognitive Realm, this physical aspect is now Investiture, even though it is still there. here is a WoB that I hope helps explain: so you are transfering into Investiture, so you are Investiture, I think Edit: (now that I look at that, I might have misinterpreted)

I just found some evidence that points towards you guys being right: the Ire probably would have had full power over Preservation, unlike Kelsier, even though both are just Self-aware Investiture. So, different instances of Self-aware Investiture would act differently when picking up a Shard. Now we are back to "maybe it could work. We should ask Brandon sometime."

ok, I think that makes sense, but I'm pretty sure that a Spren has a Spiritweb, too (If a sentient robot has one, then a Spren should have one, too.) but I think I get what you're saying; that a Cognitive Shadow's Spiritweb would definitely be very different from a Spren's. although I don't think that they're that different, probably the most different they could be is closer to the difference between aimian and a Parshendi (a smaller difference than a tank and an apple, but still large enough of a difference to keep us from being sure until someone actually asks Brandon)

But what is the Realmatic difference between a Shade and Kelsier? they are both still in the Cognitive Realm only because of Investiture, and are Pretty much just leftover Investiture that was Imprinted on by a person Identity. what I'm trying to say is that if you build something by starting with Part A, then add part B, then the Result is the same as if you had started with part B and added part A. You guys are saying that "Investiture that has become self-aware" is much different than "a self-awareness that is now only Investiture." what I'm trying to say is that they're both just Self-aware Investiture, and so should act pretty much the same. Why would which one it is matter if they are so similar, and If I am missing something Realmatically, I would like an explanation of the Realmatics.

Actually, if you look at where we find what a Cognitive Shadow actually is, according to the Threnodite system in Arcanum Unbounded, it says: So not only does Khriss compare both Spren and Cognitive Shadows, she also poitns out (indirectly) that both of them are really the same thing: bits of self-aware Investiture. or, to rephrase that, they from in different ways, but the end result is the same.)

suddenly I feel the same.

but wasn't this question asked before SH came out? that probably affected his answer, because it was coming out, but there still could be a difference. I'm not saying you're wrong, just that since we didn't know about what had happened in SH meant that he might not have answered because of the date that the question was asked. I could be wrong, but if Khriss, a cosmere scholar who dedicated her in-world life to the study of the cosmere , thinks that it has grown sentience, then it probably has.

Nothing, I just meant that polls should have at least some human input to give variety, and that the disgusting crab-lizards (or humans, or listener, or aimian, or whichever other species it identifies as.(did you just assume it's Identity? always refer to it as it, because it could be Storing or Tapping Identity at any given moment.) ) should know the people they're being polled on.

polls are good, [minor WoR spolers]

I'm not so sure. I figure that if Khriss, a scholar of the cosmere thought that it was gaining self-awareness, then it is definitely a possibility, because she probably knows more about the cosmere than we do at this point. also, If the landscape has been Invested so much, then the Investiture has probably seeped into all three realms, because I don't think that you can Invest something on only one realm. Investiture can exist on only one realm, but I don't think that something could be Invested on only one realm, because if something is Invested, that will affect all aspects of it on all three realms, not just on one, but even if it did only affect one, the planet already has a soul, and the cognitive realm is where all of the thinking and sentience come from, because it is the realm of the mind, so it is still a possibility, I think... not sure if any of that made sense... hope you guys can figure it out ok, because I probably won't be here later today to explain it. I'll probably be back tomorrow to explain better and answer any questions about my explanation. (although, it wasn't much of one, anyways.)