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It does something similar, but instead of curving the spacetime, Investiture curves all three Realms closer together, like what perpendicularity is doing. Also not every time dilation effect is caused by gravity. Speed is the other reason for it, the faster you are moving the slower the time is passing for you. But in Cosmere you can achieve it also with Investiture.

No, Inquisitors can't push on trace metals, they can only see them. No Mistborn will just have a power of Mist, because Preservation has a vessel, and they are not connected to Preservation like Vin was. Inquisitors in many cases are slightly weaker than normal Mistborn because of hemalurgic decay - like Marsh in TFE. The truth is known, you’re just rejecting it. Copper disturbs mostly "sensing" abilities. Coppermind: If there was at least one instance where coppercloud prevented someone from using Allomancy at all, I would agree with you. There was none, because it doesn't work like that. Both of those things doesn't work, because copper isn't aluminum Mistborn doesn't have Rashek's power level, nor do they have a barrel of unkeyed Dor to achieve that kind of power

Copper is not aluminum. Copper never prevented usage of Allomancy within the cloud, even emotional. Copper only makes you immune to it, and undetectable to bronze. Maybe burning aluminum while you're being lashed by a Windrunner would break the lashing: There was only one person capable of pushing on trace metals, and that was Lord Ruler, who made himself extremely powerful with the power of Preservation. That's why he could do it. Mistborn is just so far away from it that he can't even dream of pushing on trace metals. And I think even Bands weren't able to do it. You can't choose something that is contradicted by rules and mechanics. Yes, he will lose. There is no way around it and we have to accept it.

That's what slowing down time is - it's time dilation. Investiture acts like a matter, and slows down time. Stormfather holds a lot of investiture and at that moment he was focusing his essence on Kaladin, pulling him into a vision and slowing down time for him/making him perceive time more slowly. Not like a dream, but like being close to a black hole.

Our current discussion:

Yeah, we don't truly know why, so we are going in circles. I think it is because Allomancy is a physical ability(in SH he couldn't burn metals as a CS), so the body needs to have a connection to it to burn metal. Kelsier is only spirit and mind, these have connection to Allomancy, as his spiritual DNA has it coded in, but his body is dead, and he uses the body of somebody else, that body doesn't have that connection to Allomancy, so Kelsier can't burn metals. This is how I understand it. Yes, that is interesting. I think Kelsier wants to give power to people much more than he wants to have Allomancy back. Bands might have been a dead end, it's hard to make them, hard to fill them etc. So he can popularize them. Maybe that's why he left them? Or maybe he left them to make sure Malwish and the Basin met each other, as there were legends of Bands in the Basin somehow, somebody had to spread them out.

Definitions for you: Noun. fight to the death (plural fights to the death): A fight in which there is only one winner, the survivor. Noun. survivor (plural survivors): One who survives, especially one who survives a traumatic experience. Verb. survive (third-person singular simple present survives, present participle surviving, simple past and past participle survived): (intransitive) Of a person, to continue to live; to remain alive. (intransitive) Of an object or concept, to continue to exist.

Yes, that is the proof. Unless he had Breath, store there that memory, give it to a copper ferring who made a coppermind. Very unlikely, so he can use them.

Because it's a fight for life and death, they're fighting to stay alive.

Kelsier has a steel spike in his eye. And he doesn't have to have more. Kandra are hemalurgic constructs, Kelsier is not, he just stamples his soul (and mind) to a body. He doesn't need anything more than a single nail. Mistwraiths are different, they need 2 spikes to overcome the blockage between the PR and the CR. What I want to know is of that poor mistwraiths is still aware. Is this essentially Cosmere possession? Yes, Feruchemist had to be involved, or multiple ferrings. And the Malwish knew about the Bands, they were made before Kelsier left after ruling over them for some time, and took them with him - that's what Allik told in BoM. I think Kandra can use medallions, because they can get metalic arts from hemalurgy or get it from Lerasium. But I think it might be because Kelsier's body and spirit/mind are not aligned, doesn't have any connections between body and spirit besides a spike. Tbf I don't know we have any confirmation if Kelsier can use medallions, in the epilogue of TLM he said that even Lerasium wouldn't work on him, so I don't know if he couldn't use Bands at all. However he teach somehow Malwish how to make medallions so it seems unlikely.

It says the opposite. You are weirdly fixieted on this idea. It's not a video game, there are no health bars. Winning doesn't mean killing first, it means not dying. I won't try to convince you otherwise anymore.

I doubt it. First you would need a bubble smaller than your body. But still I think if you touch somebody, then he would be considered as a "part of you" and be in the bubble as long as you touch him. This is because you're messing with time here, not speed. So you would still be hitting somebody with a normal power. At least that's what I think.

That's not how tying in duels work. A "fight for life and death" means that one of the contestants must leave the fight alive, on his own, and can't die shortly after due to the wound he gets during the duel. If both contestants fight, mortally wound each other, then for the next few minutes they fight more and collapse due to their wounds, lose consciousness and after a few more minutes die because of the wounds, who wins? Nobody, because nobody left the duel alive. It doesn't matter that one died 1 minute earlier that the other, when they both die without leaving the fighting area. Odium himself said to Taravangian that he is binded by the spirit of a contract, not by the letter. No, not again, they both just have to decide that they won't fight each other. That's it. Because it's a fight for life and death, someone must die first for a side to win. The timing of withdrawing from the duel is not important here. It only must happen after the duel starts.

What if it was the other way around? Change came to Roshar after Shards came. But Dawnshards were used during the Shattering of Adonalsium, the original 16 vessels used them, and then what? Abandon or give somebody a weapon that can kill a god? I don't think so. Shards could have taken Dawnshards with them and hid them on plantes they've settled. That would explain why there are so many Dawnshards on Roshar, as they were brought there by three Shards.

TLM epiloge 4: So yes, I was mistaken with Autonomy suppressing tech, but she is, and most likely was in the past, helping progress Taldain's tech, and at some point she closed off the planet and it's likely she also stop helping them with tech. The effect would be technological stagnation - the same happened with the Basin - Sazed helped them initially but he stopped and let them develop technology themself - which resulted in perhaps even 300 years of technological stagnation. That's a great way to explain it, I fully agree. The best example of it is Roshar. They had Radiants for thousands of years and they didn't have a need to develop, as Surges could just do anything better. Only when Radiants disappeared, 1500 years before WoK, they had to start developing on their own. Recently they've made a huge progress in fabrial technology, and with discovery of Urithiru they've realized that ancient Radiants, who have been held as technologically superior, were less developed than modern day Rosharians. Everything, except for Shards and Soulcasters, is now better than it used to be - even fabrials, as Fused noted they develop fabrials unknown to them, with a different method, like Bridge 4. Just to give perspective on how slowly Roshar was advancing technology, 4500 years ago in Rosharian history Last Desolation ended, since then they still use steel and iron. 4500 years ago on Earth Great Pyramids of Giza were built with the use of copper and stone tools. Now we have lasers, and planes.

Again, I'm not arguing that it won't be hard to do, it would be extremely hard to do, and Mistborn would fail in the majority of the cases. But this would still be the best way to kill a Radiant, so it's something worth trying, as even 1:100 chances are still better than 0. And I forget, when he breaks the helmet, and cut off his head, he can leech from him. But again. breaking a living Shardplate's helmet would be something extremely unlikely to happen. It can be done, and if it happens in the right moment, under the right circumstances, Mistborn can kill Radiant this way. I do think a Radiant on 4th Ideal will win in 99/100 cases, this is the 1 case when he doesn't. Mistborn needs just a few short seconds. All of this has to happen almost at the same time - breaking the helmet, paralysis, decapitation and leeching. Kind of, it might work like that. But Mistborn can also riot, and can riot with duralumin feelings of fear, guilt, depression, sadness, cowardness etc, which would still cause paralysis. Kaladin was paralyzed few times without emotional allomancy, and Stormlight didn't help him to move or riot his emotions at all.

I don't think it has to be like this. They worded the rules "who wins" not "who dies first" and "fight for life and death". Those words mean someone has to leave the fight alive. If by the end of the contest both champions are dead, it's a tie. Of course both deaths still have to be close in time, but not to that close. Then if both champions meet at the tower but withdraw from the fight or abandon it - well, they met, had free will, they maybe even fought, but left together - the rules were followed at first, but this is something not included in the rules and thus it can make a contract a void. Or it could mean that both sides violated the rules and both sides would be under the other's power - Dalinar can force Odium to leave Roshar alone, while Odium can force Daliner to free him from the Roshar system.

I like this idea, but I think a bit differently. Singers didn't have Bondsmith representation during past Desolations as they were always align with Odium, so there wouldn't be any Bondsmith swearing to unite his enemies. Parsh are not spiritual. But Nightwatcher is a far better candidate to unite spren, because she's so far away from influence of men and because Sibling is the child of Honor and Cultivation equally, Sibling is uniting both men and spren. Sibling was telling Navani to stop doing fabrials with spren, and they both decided to find a way to satisfy needs of the people, without hurting spren - to unite men and spren. And that's what I think Navani will be doing, uniting men with spren, while also progressing science. Of course if some Bondsmith wanted to unite Singers specifically, then he could swear it even to Stormfather and there wouldn't be any problems with. Oaths can differ as long as they still embody the same message - in the Bondsmith case to unite.

I think it's not allomancy because of how bad he was with it in AoL,and not F-steel as that would just require ridiculous amounts of it, and still be noticeable. F-duralumin is the most likely option. It's how storing connections was described to look like "reducing other people's awareness of and friendship with the Connector''. But it's the bendalloy spike that steals spiritual feruchemy, not cadmium, although you can use Atium as well. He could also get medallion from Kelsier, as they met frequently:

Let me repeat "as far as we know". We know 7 god metals, 8 if you count what Azure's blade is as one. And to be fair, any one of those metals can become radioactive if you give it more neutrons, so called neutron activation. You create an unstable isotope that after some time returns to a stable, non-radioactive form, via radiation. And I disagree - radioactivity means the element is unstable and decays to a more stable form. If there is no stable form of such an element, like Uranium, all of it will eventually decay away to smaller elements, and there would be no Uranium left in the Universe (long long long time - the half-life for U238 is 4.5 billion years.). If that's the case with one of the god metals, then what happens to the investiture in that metal when it turns from "shardium15th" to another element with 1 or 2 protons less, like e.g. into iron? Because god metals are physical manifestations of the Shards, and Shards are not decaying away, nor their investiture is, why would god metals be radioactive without stable isotope?

It is. Investiture is being used to provide matter for new tissue that is being rebuilt by your body. But it's still your body that is doing the regrowing. In normal circumstances your body can't regrow a cut arm, but it can grow bone tissue, blood vessels, nerves, muscles, skin and every component of the arm, but not on that scale - healing by investiture provides the energy and "cells" for regrowing everything, but it’s using mechanisms of the body. But that's all because we're talking about feruchemical healing, which stores in gold your body's ability to heal. So these mechanisms are stored there, and that's why I think there would be limitations. You can't grow metal, because your body doesn't do that. It might mess things up because they don't view themselves as someone with a particular body, shape or bones. They are always changing and shifting as they want. That's their nature. So it might be hard for them to perceive one of the many forms they can take as the “true one” even after many years in that body.

WoBs about original question about identity of Kelsier's body: So Kel's body is most likely mistwraith who ate his own bones. But this body is not his so it doesn't have connection to allomancy. About who is the Sovereign - it's Kelsier - the temple in New Seran was built by him, Wax&co. thought at first that the Sovereign is the Lord Ruler, so when they saw the statue in front of the temple, they assumed that's Rashek. But we know this is the statue of Kelsier. And it was the Sovereign who saved Malwish and taught them how to make medallions, we saw that in Wax's coppermind. So at this moment we can be quite sure that the Sovereign is Kelsier. And Brandon said that there is a simple answer to the question who is the Sovereign:

No, he said that they figured out the process, but implementing it is hard.

Are they? WoB? Kelsier was warning VIn to always burn away all her metals or get rid of them in other ways before going to sleep, because they can be harmful.

Then they both can't see, but Mistborn can sense Shardblade being summoned and use of other surges with bronze and hear steps and breathing with Tin, and throw coins in every direction to see and feel them hitting something. Mistborn have an advantage.