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I know, I just wanted to point out that he isn't one of the nine, likely. The way it was written suggests it more than the other option. HoA ch 22 The Shattering of Adonalsium was around 10000 years before Era 1. So Rashek was at most the 9th Ascendant, but likely there were fewer of them. It all started with Ruin demanding his right to destroy Scadrial and being trapped by Preservation, and this could have taken a few thousand years. So we don't know. 1-8 Ascendants before Rashek. And Rashek gain the knowledge of what Lerasium does when he Ascended, so every Ascendant would gain that knowledge and could figure out what to do with Lerasium and Atium that was left there, to give powers of Feruchemy to people. HoA ch 9:

I thought that too, but then I remembered how bad he is at lying in SH. Kel would likely recognize that. And that's more fun for us, there is another secret to solve.

He didn't, he got his Allomancy from the power of the Well, and he didn't use the bead. If Rashek didn't use the bead, then there are 11 beads used, and 5 missing. Rashek found beads, so they must've existed before Rashek Ascension. It's simply possible that those 5 missing ones were used by other people, or other Ascendants before Rashek. There is a way to create Feruchemist with god metals, and Feruchemy was a known and common among Terrisan art before Rashek Ascension, Alloamcy was not, it was very rare and weak, so no one could have used the bead to become Mistborn, as they would pass strong Allomantic genes to next generations. So that's what I think happened. Those 5 Lerasium beads were used long before Rashek Ascended, and created the first Feruchemists. There is also a way to create a metalmind that can store everything, so maybe Rashek metalminds were those types of metalminds, most likely this includes god metals.

Chiri-Chiri is the biggest larkin that's alive, and for all intended purposes, she is the base for our discussion. Mistborn won't pull out of his sleeve a dragon sized Larkin, just to prove you're right. There isn't any. Sleepless has even smaller types of larkin hybrid, and Nale has also a very small one (fits in his pocket?). So Chiri-Chiri is considerably bigger than any other similar species currently living. Chiri-Chiri and Nale's larkin are the only known living ones, as they are extremely rare.

Wax was standing still. And with F-zinc you can act faster,as if signal transfer is negligible, and thought process normally takes let's say 200 ms, then by using F-zinc you reduce that time to whatever compression you use. So you can start reacting 300 ms faster with your normal muscle speed. That's something. and F-zinc allows you to predict your opponent moves base on his early moves, so that another few dozens of milliseconds that you can start reacting faster. Still with F-steel it's much better. Yeah, but Rioter can only practice when he's with other people, Thug can do it mostly when he's physically engaged or in a fight. Mistborn/Fullborn can juggle his training all the time, with extra help of zinc, electrum, and endless bronze. Misting will likely be better, but Mistborn/Fullborn has more opportunities to explore his powers in different circumstances that Misting can never explore, focus on them with a combination of other powers and achieve something different than simple Misting can never achieve. You know it's pointless to argue about it? This whole argument is so pointless that I don't even know why it's happening. Fulborn being as skilled as Kelsier - why not? It only took a few years for Kelsier to become like this, most Mistborn trained far longer during era 1. Making steel bubbles like Wax? Why not? Others do them as well. Wax already used F-iron to change speed during steel pushing, so why not playing a bit more with it? That is still not a Rashek level of skill, whatever it might look like. With bronze I agree, and I've never claimed Windrunner can't protect himself with reverse lashings, he can, with 2 shields in both of his hands, which would reduce his offensive abilities a bit (he can drop them to engage so that's not a problem). This would protect him from all directions, and render Fullborn's offensive push and pull on metal useless. With 1 shield Fullborn can still pull on metals behind Radiant, that is on the opposite side of his shield, and this metal would be reverse lashed to that shield through Radiant's body. It doesn't even have to be a shield, wooden plank, trash can cover, brick or whatever he picks up from the ground. So let's just go back to it and not engage in pointless arguments. Excellent point.

Lerasium Mistborn still wields a considerably lower amount of Investiture than anyone on Roshar. Roshar is rich in investiture, while Scadrial is on a very low level. Larkins are still weak, If larkin was able to do it, he would drain the Fused in OB bank scene, as Fused are basically spren. It didn't happen, he only drained him out of Voidlight. Lerasium Mistborn still has too little power to do it, even with Larkins. Larkin can get full far faster than Nightblood, and even Nightblood didn't consume the entire Honorblade, just chipped part of it. Mistborn powered by Mists - maybe. Better, by the Well - very likely, only then he can push a Shardblade. That's how much it takes to equalize investiture levels and break through Shardblade's resistance to foreign investiture.

Right: It likely means he's dead. But maybe there is a slim chance that he's a Worldhopper now? Or he just separated himself from the crew and its godly affairs?

Nightblood would just very likely damage a Shardblade (like he did with Honorblade) or kill it entirely, especially if a spren isn't in a Shardblade form. So Nightblood alone will be enough. But duralumin and leeching won't change it. He still will be unable to leech a Shardblade, because he has too little investiture compared to a Shardblade. If such Mistborn was powered directly by all of Mists, like Vin at the end of HoW, then hard maybe. But regular Mistborn doesn't wield such power. Larkins also are too weak.

Hi, welcome to the Shard That's the very thing which Wax did. He used electric current to change Harmonium into 2 visibly separate parts, yet still connected to each other (it likely still wasn't Atium and Lerasium) as he can't reach greater currents. Then Wax used proper intent (he wanted to split Harmonium into Atium and Lerasium) and split it with Trellium spike. After the first explosion, he tried to collect something from the broken test side, and the second explosion occurred, presumably it was Harmonium reacting with water vapor. But that's the problem. We know from the description what he did. But we don't know how he managed to create Lerasium in the process. Harmony and Kandra tried to replicate this process, and they only got Atium from it, but no Lerasium (at least that's what Sazed told Kel). If they did everything like Wax did, how on Ruin Wax was able to get Lerasium from it? Kandra should do it with the intent of creating Lerasium, as they already knew it's possible. But they didn't get it. We don't know what happened there. Maybe it was the second explosion that created Lerasium, as Wax tried to Preserve Harmonium? So we know what Wax did, and he did what you're describing, we don't know which one of his actions was the one that created Lerasium, or how it's different from what Kandra did later. There are several topics about Wax's experiment on this forum, but we have nothing more than theories at this point.

I don't agree that he is honorable. Sending the assassin to kill rulers across the whole Roshar isn't honorable. Kidnapping people from streets isn't honorable, killing them in back rooms of his hospitals isn't honorable. Starting a brutal civil war in Jah Keved isn't honorable. Betraying Dalinar in OB (before making any pact with Odium) isn't honorable at all. Saying that killing all three suspects if one of the three committed a murder, and you don't know who did it, isn't honorable. He is far from Honor. But all of these actions were definitely Passionable and driven by his Passions.

It's still the same metal, which filters what investiture pulled from Preservation is doing. Feruchemical charge is another filter to that metal. God metal however is not just pure investiture, it's also a metal. And burning a god metal doesn't pull the power from Preservation, it uses up the god metal to fuel your Allomancy. That's a huge difference. Math does. Why only 1% of 16% those who were snapped by Mists were Atium Mistings? Why do only those people lay ill the longest? Why wasn't it 2%? We know both era 1 Atium and Malatium replaced 2 basic metals from the set of 16 Allomantic metals, as this was Preservation's plan. WoBs confirm this. So why only 1% was snapped to become Atium Mistings? If what you're saying is true, it should be 2%, not 1%.

Well, because Dalinar was also touched by Cultivation, like Taravangian, and he is also currently bonded to the biggest remnants of Honor. He has the greatest Connection to Honor right now, and this helps a lot with Ascending. And Taravangian comment on Cultivation's words sums it up perfectly "Oh, you wonderful creature, he thought. You have no idea what you have done." He isn't very honorable, not like Dalinar is. But it's possible, I admit it.

It does. Reaction process is composed of these actions - sending a signal from the sensory organ to the brain -> processing information by the brain -> sending signals to the muscles -> moving the muscles, as a reaction to that signal. F-zinc reduces the time it takes for the brain to process information. F-steel does it with muscle movement. Together they speed up the reaction process in these two, most important factors of it. So yes, F-zinc lets you react faster, as thinking is the very important part of reacting. And Vin almost figured out compounding on her own in 5 minutes. Why wouldn't Mistborn/Fullborn be able to master several metals at once? Steel and Iron is used together, often with pewter, tin, and copper. Add to this F-iron and others, and you can master most combat metals at the same time. It took around 1 year for Spook to become a Savant, but we don't talk about Fullborn becoming a Savant of every metal. So you don't need 15 years, give him just a little intense training with every metal (F-zink and F-electrum will help), and he will become a master of every metal. That's what vin did, a few years later and she became extremely proficient with combat focused metals. Marsh spent 1 year on killing and became a good Allomancer, another 1 year and was a very skillful one. 15 year old Wax with barely any training with A-steel was able to see the bullet as separate metal parts and kill his more skilled opponent. And do we really have to discuss how much training and skill both sides have? Most things we're talking about are purely theoretical, and were never attempted on page. Arguing whether or not Fullborn is skilled enough to do something is pointless, as we never seen a Fullborn do any training. Wax with the Bands was immediately able to pull an airship equally, without ripping it apart - that's a skill he never used before. If you can diminish Fullborn's preparedness, I can say that the Windrunner has no training at all, he was just ready to swear all 5 ideals at once (there is a WoB proving it’s possible) and immediately got into the fight with Fullborn with no skill at anything. But that is stupid! It’s completely against what we’re trying to do here. Can we just assume that both are very proficient with their powers, both had years of training and fighting behind them, and just fully focus on what they can do, without limiting them with skill? If there is something "hard" or difficult to do, we can acknowledge it, and move on knowing that it might not always work perfectly? Isn't that better?

I like this, 4th one fits to the message left in the Urithiru library, OB ch 72 And the fact that this message was recorded for Edgedancers by another Radiant fits with your idea of 5th Ideal - someone spoke for the silent Edgedancers who in the meantime cared for neglected.

Yeah, I'm surprised too, that really checks out very good.

Dipper or Stanley? Both fits well. @Zephrun’s Imperium damn, nice arts, human-Bill looks great. I made this once

Lerasium effect of making you into a Mistborn/Misting is not the primary effect of burning Lerasium. So maybe that's why?

Oh right, that's how you get 16 times less. That makes sense. You know, the 16 part should rung a bell in my head

They are volume units, ccs - cubic centimeters, but I'm so used to cm3 that I just don't know what it is for a second.

That's the Cold War, they put nukes everywhere. Bombs - nuke, missiles - nuke, mortar - nuke, artillery - yup, that's nuke too (up to 15 kt), anti aircraft systems - they have a nuke for this too. Believe it or not, they even wanted to propel a space rocket by dropping small nukes behind it (project Orion). What a radiant times.

So the spearhead has the density of the water not a metal? Bands having the size of a hand - yes, mass of the hand - big no no. So the density of the human body is very close to the density of water, so 1 g/cm3, google search for mass of human hand is ~400 g. d=m/v; v=m/d; v=400g/1g/cm3; v=400 cm3. How did you get 16 times less? That's volume (assuming Bands have the size of a hand), now for mass of the Bands - I could divide the volume by 16, and calculate the mass of each metal segment of the Bands separately, and then add up, but most of 16 metals have density around steel 8 g/cm3, aluminum has 2.7, while gold has 19, so it's still averages out around 8 g/cm3 (more or less with other metals). m=d*v = 8*400=3200 g = 3.2 kg. That's the mass of the Bands (mass of the typical spearhead is less than 1 kg). Sometimes I get a brain freeze and get confused when I see "ccs" and wonder what unit it is. It takes me a moment to dissect it

1 Mt nuke has a fireball radius of around 1 km, so you could "throw" that nuke, hide behind a very thick reinforce concrete wall (to avoid radiation, thermal blast, much of pressure wave and debris) and heal with F-gold, while being certain that everything within 2 km circle next to you is vaporized. But you don't need 1 Mt nuke to kill 1 person, you don't even need 1 kt nuke for that if you can deliver it directly on your opponent. Use Davy Crockett tactical 20 t nuke launcher that has a range of 2-4 km.

It's not the target that burns/activates metal because of leeching, it's the Leecher that pulls the power away from the target, and makes them lose their metals. Target doesn't burn metal, nor it's forced to burn metals (that's more what nicrosil is doing). Like it was in a newspaper story in BoM, about woman leecher (Nicki Savage?), she described leeching "like pulling power from the metal and returning it to an external source". So it's the Leecher that does the conversion, and it's the Leecher that returns the power to SR. Not the target. Leecher doesn't activate the target's powers. If the leecher would "force activating the Burn Metal ability of their Target", the target would get powers from it like when normally burning metal, because what you are describing is burning metal normally.

That sounds good. There aren't many arguments for it, but I like this idea.