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  1. This argument falls flat as Preservation straight up said 'remember what I told you - SURVIVE" and Kelsier recognised this as the voice he heard in the Pits. So yes, this is the confirmation Preservation spoke to Kelsier in the Pits, when he became a Mistborn. While Preservation can't talk to people like Ruin can, there are some circumstances which allow him to do the same - Vin was able to talk to Elend, Kelsier could talk to Spook. Leras was able to say that to Kelsier because Kelsier was on the verge of death and the bounds between realms were weakened. But this WoB still tells you that Ruin is sending non-specific signals to Zane, so even if that was the case with Kelsier, it was still Preservation that sent him the signal, which Kelsier interpreted as SURVIVE. Thus, Preservation “speaking” to Kelsier during the snapping seems to break a fundamental rule that we’ve been told, and shown, is fairly sacrosanct. I've said it already, we had Vin talking to Elend, Kelsier talking to Spook and WoB explaining why Preservation was able to speak to Kelsier in the Pits. Because this isn't something that happens and nobody else was as vital to Preservation's plans as Kelsier or Vin. In the case of Kelsier this was a special thing as he was close to death and Snapping allowed him to survive and execute Preservation's plan. Without Kelsier, Ruin would have won. Why does it all matter when Preservation confirmed it was him? The last part of the question is what Brandon is answering. It's not that a Shard is fixated on some words, Vessels are overrun by Shard's intent. Honor became fixated on Oaths and upkeeping them, not on their meaning like he used to, Preservation was fixated on upkeeping the status quo, to the point where he admired Rashek who killed so many people. Unlike Honor, Preservation didn't rage and shout some vague threats, his mind was long dead and that was the difference between Honor's death and Preservation's one. Preservation used his mind to create Ruin's prison and that killed him, the power and the rest of the Vessel was slowly fading, while Honor was killed by Odium without losing his mind. Leres being fixated on the concept of stasis doesn't in any way mean that he would just lie for no reason in the most important moment of his death. That's not a standard use of Perpendicularity, the Well was speifically design to serve that purpouse. The Well was special, allowing people to Ascend and tap the power of the Shard which was concentrated in that spot. The Well was sending such strong pulses that even normal Seekers could sense when it was full at the end (there was a WoB on that, I can't find it now) - Ruin's perpendicularity was silent on the other hand (at least for most, in the alternate ending of WoA Vin could hear it). Generally independent. Creating of Perpendicularities is another thing. Autonomy is the exception, no other Shard showed such great deal of control over their Perpendicularity. Plus we don't know how she blocks access to Taldain - as I said, it can be as simple as loyal guards on both sides of Taldain's Perpendicularity. Apparently she used some kind of natural processes, which probably involves messing with her Perpendicularity in some Realmathic way. All your points about Perpendicularity don't really matter, your original post was about "Preservation letting Hoid use his Perpendicularity" or "Ruin not wanting to have anything to do with Hoid" and that's what I was disputing. Generally it doesn't work like that and we have no reasons to believe that Preservation did something special with his Perpendicularity. He didn't have to, it was likely closed for the majority of the time, when it was not full (or mostly full). Once full Preservation didn't know that Hoid used it in SH, only when Kelsier told him he knew. And SH once again proves that Preservation didn't block or close his Perpendicularity like Autonomy did (I doubt he could do that, Ruin's power would oppose every action of his, including this one). He could use any perpendicularity that was closer to his goal, as he can hide from Shards, and Shards wouldn't know he was using their Shardpool. Of course if he wanted to be spotted, he could just drop his protections and expose himself to Leras, like he did in RoW with Rayse. That's what I was trying to say, all this stuff about perpendicularity doesn't matter to your theory. That's not at all what I was talking about. You said "Classical Scadrial" and that's the time before Rashek's Ascension, when Ruin was already imprisoned. You defined what kind of "back then" we're talking about, and that's what I was talking about. I'm confused, I don't know why discussing "a time where Ruin wasn't imprisoned" matters in the context of your original post. Yes, sure there was a time where they were both free and alive, and could influence stuff, like their perpendicularities. But back then there was no Atium - Atium was created as the result of Preservation Splintering a piece of Ruin and locking it away from him. It's also very likely that there was no Lerasium back then, as we have no idea from where did it came from. If you're trying to suggest that Hoid was a Feruchemist for 10000 years or so then this makes even less sense. Hoid in WoA went to Terris people to learn more about Feruchemy, which would made no sense if he had it for 10000 years by this time. Thus going back to your point of Hoid using Ruin's perpendicularity - he already did that, that's how he got to Scadrial in TFE. That's why he had to use the Well later, as he couldn't use the Pits. Ruin's imprisonment would guarantee total safety of passage, and there was a whole trade thing build around Ruin's Perpendicularity. And this WoB states that Hoid was just researching if there is a possibility of getting Feruchemy - which would make no sense if he had it for 10000 years, or even a 1000 years, right before Rashek's Ascension. Your reason for why Hoid would go to Classical Scadrial doesn't hold up. Endowment is the only one that we know of who was able to notice him. He can hide even from Autonomy, who hates him. Preservation didn't, as seen in SH, Ruin as well, as he didn't react to him in SH/HoA. Therefore yes, Hoid is able to successfully hide his presence from Shards on Scadrial. Hoid has his own way of seeing the future, he can use Fortune to predict where he needs to be. That would cloud Shardic future vision, as we saw with Renarin and Odium. There is literally nothing to say this would be the case. Yes, they can move it etc, but there is nothing to suggest that Hoid back then would be unable to hide as he is now. Why? No. It's not about trusting Shard's power, Hoid doesn't treat Shards as mere powers, he treats them as people they used to be before the Shattering, and refers to them by their Vessel's names. This is further confirmed by the 6th SA letter: We have no idea what relations he had with Leras prior to the Shattering, but judging from the comment made by Leras, they weren't on good terms, Leras certainly didn't trust him and I doubt he would be willing to make a deal with Hoid. Leras clearly shared Edgli's view on Hoid and wished he would stop interfering in Shardic affairs. SH ch 2-1: You should have quoted the whole thing... It's about Mistsnapping. That's the weapon that ultimately led Elend to burn all Atium away and win. Yeah, no. If Preservation had a Dawnshard, Ruin would be in so much trouble. Imprisonment would be the last of his concerns. Leaving a Dawnshard in the hands of a dead Shard is nothing but foolish and risky. Even if Hoid left his Dawnshard before Ruin's imprisonment, leaving it there under "protection" of the dead Shard would be foolish as well. Hoid should go back and relocate it to make sure it won't fall into Ruin's hands. Leaving any Dawnshard in the hands of any Shard is just a very bad idea. Future isn't set in metal. There were so many things that could have gone wrong and let Ruin win, that it would be really bad to leave a Dawnshard on Scadrial. I strongly disagree. Preservation was better at seeing the future than Ruin, not every Shard was good at this, Honor is another example. Preservation didn't use his power to imprison Ruin, that would be countered, but his mind - something that Ruin didn't predict and couldn't counter. There is no need for any Dawnshard here. That's not how the future sight works. RoW ch 114: SH ch 2-4: Dawnshard being far away from Hoid doesn't protect Hoid at all - as we can see in Sunlit Man, they can track the holders of a Dawnshard by using connections of those who were it before. Additionally, now I'm not so sure if there is Survival Dawnshard, I will just copy what I've posted somewhere else recently, but this is highly speculative:
  2. Interesting WoB, it changes a lot. You might be right, and perception of people did influence Cultivation's appearance.
  3. Cognitive Shadows or Spren sure, there is some effect of human perception on them. Shards? Not really. It's simply because she wants to look like that, she wants to be viewed and perceived as the Spren of the world. What you saw there isn't Cultivation, nor even her body, but a puppet she made to interact with the Physical Realm, a mask she wears. OB ch 57: During the Battle of Thaylen Field, Odium showed himself to his Fused and Venli in the Singer form. But when interacting with Dalinar and Taravangian he always chooses to appear as a human. Shards decide how they look in mortal eyes, either subconsciously or deliberately. I couldn't find any WoB suggesting that human perception can affect the way Shards look like. Cultivation likes to be seen as the spren of the world. OB ch 57: In RoW, after Taravangian's Ascension, Odium showed himself to Hoid as Rayse, not Taravangian, because he wanted to look like that. Shards can simply use the massive amount of investiture to create an image of themselves as they wish.
  4. The idea of the champion is that it is a person representing a side of the conflict. Dalinar doesn't represent himself - he represents Honor itself - he is bound to its Cognitive Shadow, which holds the biggest piece of Splintered Honor. Honor is the real side of the conflict. Odium representing himself isn't right, it'd probably be against the core idea of the champion. And yes, it's theoretically possible for a Shard to manifest a physical body: You mean that would be stupid? The only thing Odium's champion would need to do is run around in circles avoiding Dalinar - Nightblood would consume Dalinar within a few short minutes. I don't believe that. Szeth already rejected Odium in favor of Dalinar, Szeth's third Ideal is to follow Dalinar - Szeth becoming Odium's champion would be in direct violation of his personal code and the Ideal he had sworn. No, Nightblood trusts in his wielder's judgment, he doesn't know what evil is. Moreover Szeth is immune to Nightblood's influence now, because he used it. Warbreaker spoilers WoB: It's the restraints put onto him by Honor when Honor imprisoned Odium on Braize. RoW ch 112: Then Wit would be dead, because Hoid is in direct violation of agreements he made. RoW ch 80:
  5. Hey, welcome to the forum! If you're interested here are some tips about tools available to you on the forum: No, at least not if you do it like with Kandra. The reason why it works with Mistwraiths is because they used to be people, they are part human with cognitive blockade, and Blessings allows them to push through that blockade and regain sentience. Just giving spikes to horses won't make them sentient. However, Stormlight spoilers: This means that investing animals in a specific way (like maybe with raw investiture in a nicrosil spike, or a copper spike giving them intelligence) might make them sufficiently intelligent to make them truly sentient. Theoretically you can make animals sentient, but that requires a different approach from those we currently know of. Yes, you can. However there are consequences of doing that - physical deformations. Stealing strength from humans deforms the body of the recipient, turning them into a Koloss. Chimeras, which we saw in Era 2, are most likely the effect of deformations given by an attribute stolen from an animal (probably a dog) and given to a human. Stealing physical attributes from any source probably always causes physical deformation in a recipient. Yes and no. You can give them powers, but they won't be able to use them because they are lacking intelligence for that. First you need to make them really intelligent, beyond any animal, if you want them to use those powers. But I admit, a Coinshot cat sounds so cool and terrifying at the same time - the mess it can make in your home...
  6. Yumi Tress Sunlit Frugal It was a hard choice between Tress and Sunlit, but ultimately I think like Tress a little better. Yumi was just amazing in my opinion and Frugal was still fun to read - I like the concept. I hope Brandon will write more standalone books like those.
  7. I'm quite certain that Dawnshard commands will be a single-word. Change is showing us the pattern. Not every command has to be specific - "destroy evil" is massively unspecific and undefined. Change seems to be very unspecific and broad. It can encompass almost everything, but this is not what the Change Dawnshard is about, the Change Dawnshard is specific, Dawnshard ch 19: The Change Dawnshard is specifically a positive change.The power to remade things - I think it's about improvement that also preserves the core of a being, not making it into something else entirely. Destroy is a negative change with nothing being preserved, Create is a non specific change (it doesn't matter that investiture can't be created or destroyed, that's not what Dawnshards are about, they use investiture to change, create, destroy or stuff like that) - it can be positive, negative or even neutral, but it changes things into something entirely new. The same goes for concepts like Bind or Unite. Uniting things isn't positive or negative on its own, it depends what do you unite into what - like unification of Ruin and Preservation was mostly positive, while unification of Devotion and Dominion's investiture was negative. I would argue Survival isn't about not changing, as to survive one has to change, survival is about adaptation. From the quote it seems like the Change already encompasses this idea. Just look at Era 1, Kelsier had to first adapt to his role as a Mistborn after surviving the Pits of Hathsin, then he had to adapt as a leader of the rebellion and a teacher, Vin has to also adapt to her role of a Mistborn and a spy among nobles. After their success they had to adapt again, and then once more after the release of Ruin - constant adaptation to the ever changing conditions in order to survive. Those who couldn't adapt were the first to die - like Skaa from villages who locked themselves inside when Mist didn't vanish with the sunrise. Even the Shard of Preservation itself had to change to Survive, it had to kill to survive - that's a massive change. Feel, Live or Think are more abstract concepts, still possible as Dawnshard commands but it's hard to come up with what they would do when used. Making things sapient? Sure, possible, maybe that's how life came to be. It's quite likely there is some mental or emotional type of Dawnshard, those would be great candidates. I'm not trying to advocate in favor of one Dawnshard theory or another, there are dozens of them and it's impossible to say which one is correct. There are too many words and concepts that fit as Dawnshard commands quite nicely. I simply don't have a mind for this kind of puzzle. And I don't think this topic is about this anyway. Who said Adonalsium created Dawnshards? You mean one Dawnshard to Find them all? Hmm...
  8. You're assuming Khriss wants to kill people? Harmony didn't leave detailed notes on Hemalurgy in the Words of Founding, Kelsier and Spook experimented a little bit with Hemalurgy, but we don't know much about what they discovered. This probably comes from Spook's book, and his thoughts on chromium. I think that simply nobody ever tried this, and the concept of Fortune, Luck or Destiny is very unknown on Scadrial. Only recently the Set started experimenting with Hemalurgy and they did it to get more powers, not to gain detailed understanding on complicated spiritual concepts. For more than 1340 years, this aspect of Hemalurgy was completely unknown. Harmony knows, but he isn't willing to share. That's why it is so uncertain and the table says "might". You noticed yourself, there is some concept of Destiny in Cosmere. There was a topic in the Q&A section about differences between Fortune and Destiny, inconclusive of course, as there is almost no information about it. But I wouldn't exclude the possibility that Hemalurgy indeed can steal Destiny. Link to the topic, full Cosmere spoilers ahead:
  9. Yes, that's a popular but very reasonable theory. You word it very nicely. I agree. I believe that you can burn A-duralumin to supercharge Feruchemy. A-duralumin isn't limited to Allomancy, you can affect other invested arts with it, like Surgebinding, I see no reason why it wouldn't work with Feruchemy. Essentially you need to burn A-duralumin with another kind of kinetic investiture to supercharge it. Tapping or storing metalminds is a form of kinetic investiture. It wouldn't work with storing as there are upper limits of how much you can store. But this can be very dangerous. You are tapping everything without losses in a single moment. If you tap for example F-steel with A-duralumin, you would burn in the atmosphere immediately after making a single step. And you can't control it. It could be useful in some very specific situations, not with every metal. Using small metalminds is advisable. You underestimate the power of A-aluminum. In the most extreme applications, you can cleanse your soul from unwanted effects of investiture, or your body from impurities, which is quite powerful and handy. Threnody spoilers:
  10. Less than 5 minutes? Less than 10 seconds I would say - he used them for two short bursts of power during his fight with Marsh - and we don't know his tapping rate. We have far too little information to make any assessments. He could be talking about weeks as 2 weeks, but he could also mean 6 weeks, or 8 weeks. Sazed uses rings and earring regularly for storing attributes - they are certainly useful and can store enough attributes to justify wearing them. 3 days of storing is just a fraction of what a ring can hold. I don't know much about tattoos but it seems to me that it's a combination of different molecules (not elements) that makes the ink works. Most of the tattoo ink is some volatile component (ethanol, solvents, etc.), even up to 95% of it. From the document linked earlier, at best ~1% of tattoo ink is made out of metals, most are Allomantically inert like Barium. Most samples however had much less metals than that, less than a gram or 1/10 of a gram per 1 kg of ink. Most of Allomantically viable metals are bound in molecules, like ZnO, which works as a sunscreen - probably useless for you. So no, just pumping liquid iron under your skin won't be a tattoo ink. Just do what Wax and Wayne did in TLM and insert your metalmind under your skin surgically. Plus I second Treamayne, there is nothing indicating that Feruchemist are immune to heavy metal poisoning - they don't need this, they don't swallow metals and don’t metabolize them like Allomancers, they only touch them.
  11. The Terris prophecies were created before Ruin's imprisonment, so they could work together and grant people Feruchemy. However we know too little about the mechanism of how Feruchemy is granted to make that call - Preservation or Ascendant might be able to siphon some of Ruin's investiture from people's souls, or corrupt it, or something like that. We don't know if it's even needed - there are some WoBs which claim that Feruchemy is more of Preservation: And looking for that WoB, I've found a WoB that says Feruchemy was given by Preservation, so here is our answer. I think now it makes the most sense that Preservation gave Feruchemy to people so they were able to use F-copper to remember those prophecies without changing them throughout millennia. He needed them to be free of human interference, so that when the time comes people would be able to spot changes done by Ruin.
  12. Sure, if they're a pure combination of Allomantic/Feruchemical metals then you can use them as metalminds or burn them Automatically, but the amount of metals is tiny, you wouldn't be able to store much in them. Not to mention a tattoo ink has multiple different metals, most aren't Allomantic. Not very useful. A quick google search: The table 3, lower in the source, shows that for example the concentration of iron Fe varies from 14 mg to 160 mg per 1 k. Milligrams! That's nothing. And iron has the biggest numbers in the table (except for zinc with 14 g). And those metals are probably mostly in forms of molecules, like zinc is in ZnO, so they are useless. I don't think he had the time to fill them fully.
  13. Yes, Feruchemy is the balance system, being both of Ruin and Preservation: It's hard to say, we have almost nothing on this. I think those are possible ways of how the first Feruchemist came to be. Firstly, everyone on Scadrial has a seed of metallic arts within his soul. And while the chances of becoming a Feruchemist are likely extremely low, they're still none zero, thus given thousands of years, someone might have started the whole line of Feruchemist - very unlikely in my opinion. Secondly, there is a way to give yourself Feruchemy by using Scadrian god metals (maybe a Lerasium-Atium alloy). Rashek left 2 Lerasium beads at the Well, 8 or 9 were given to kings to gain their support, most likely there were originally 16 beads in the first place. That means someone used 5 or 6 of them before Rashek, and if they used Atium as well (which they could get from pre-Rashek Pits) they could theoretically gain Feruchemy this way, and start the Terris nation. "Rewrite your sDNA with Atium's power" -really vague. But it makes sense. Feruchemy is of both Ruin and Preservation, almost equally. But Scadrians have Preservation's fragment in them, innate investiture of Preservation, not Ruin, giving them Allomancy, not Feruchemy. If they rewrite that with Atium's power, meaning they mixed it with Ruin's investiture, their innate investiture would be Connected to both Ruin and Preservation, thus giving them Feruchemy. It would explain why Feruchemist were never born outside of Terrisan, as the seed in their soul isn't enough for Feruchemy. But this is just wild speculation that came to me right now. Another possibility is simply that one of the previous Ascendants used the power of the Well to grant himself, or the people of his choice, the power of Feruchemy. That's a really obvious answer. Rashek made himself a Mistborn using the power of the Well, so why somebody before him couldn't do the same with Feruchemy? Lastly, I think it could be Preservation himself that directly invested the first Fercuchemists and gave them the power. Why? I think this might have been done at the same time when Leras created the Terris prophecies, and to ensure they will survive and remember them as best as they can, or give the Terris people some other advantage, he gave some of them the power of Feruchemy.
  14. Yes, and we have also this WoB: That's why the rest of the quote is important. "You abandoned all you’d followed.", "I disavowed my oaths." and "you betrayed your oaths." - Sig didn't just end his Oaths, he outright betrayed them - worse than Kaladin in WoR, and that almost killed Syl. That's what they did during Recreance, and it didn't end well. But there are some ways to safely break the bond before reaching the 5th Ideal (per Notum's words in OB).
  15. Then no, you can't. It's not that removal of this spike kills them, it's that their soul and body is so strained by having multiple spikes, that the linchpin is necessary to hold it together, to link all spikes in this central place. Inquisitors are unable to live without this one single spike, as their soul and body simply can't hold itself together. Healing won't help here unless you also remove more spikes, to be left with just 3 of them, to lessen the strain under which the body and soul is put. If the inquisitor has a low number of spikes, enough so he doesn't need a linchpin, then he simply wouldn't have it in the first place. Coppermind: WoB:
  16. You mean using healing to attach the dead body to the soul and mind of a recently killed Inquisitor? Yes - if you reattach the linchpin spike. Using a spike to do that? Yes too - Kelsier did it. Healing is easier.
  17. @Elegy I think you've nailed it. I've noticed some hints in the book when Nomad is talking about being a leader and stuff like that - he seems to regret some decisions he made as a leader, and as you pointed out, he became Windrunners' leader during RoW. For me the obvious conclusion is that he made a "grave" mistake (at least in his mind), which he regretted so much that he broke his Oaths with his Honorspren. Ch 33: Then he became the Dawnshard, bonded Aux in CR, they both swear Oaths, not just Sigzil, but Aux swore Oaths as well. After some time Sig broke his Oaths for no reason, but Aux didn't. Lastly the self-defense mechanism of the Dawnshard was triggered, feeding on Aux and killing most of him. Ch 45: Yes, Sigzil was never warned about consequences of being Dawnshard while being bonded (said even in the book in ch 20): I think he did, the book strongly implies he became a Windrunner of 4th Ideal at least - his Shardplate was made out of two types of spren, from both orders. Ch 45:
  18. Unlikely. The Evil is still on Threnody. Controlling Shades can probably be done if sufficient Connection is established, similar to Hemalurgic Control, or maybe exactly that - they are using Hemalurgy and want to spike Nomad. We already saw some limited control with Silence's grandmother - she’s never hurt Silence and allowed her to be pushed back into her "room". The Night Brigade are mercenary, they could get hired by somebody to get a Dawnshard, but it's hard to say as the book seems to imply it's their private goal. Just having a single Dawnshard is a terrifying weapon on its own. One Dawnshard destroyed Ashyn in a single moment. If the Admiral had a Dawnshard already, there would be no chase at all.
  19. It was said that Torment addapts, it changes, grows and once Nomad is able to trick it and use something as a weapon, the Torment will prevent him from doing that again - maybe Hoid never tried to use any weapon or sword to hurt somebody, thus he can safely carry and touch a sword as his "Blessing" doesn't consider this as a weapon? Or maybe that's a mastery of perception - as long as Hoid doesn't try to hurt, he can touch it. Ch 2: Nomad being able to eat meat is weird, that's true, but maybe it's not about eating but about hunting? Maybe Hoid hunted and his "Blessing" eventually grew so much that it prevented him from even eating meat? Hoid also held the Dawnshard for much longer than Nomad, the effects of this made him practically immortal, unlike Sigzil. The longer one holds a Dawnshard, the bigger are the changes to one's soul - all those differences could be simply the result of that. Ch 34: The ability to create visions are definitely from Yolenish Lightweaving, not Dawnshard. We haven't seen Hoid using Skipping, but maybe he simply doesn't want to as it requires a lot of investiture, or it's too random for him to use, thus he prefers normal travel via CR. Just because Hoid didn’t use it, doesn’t mean he is unable to Skip.
  20. F-steel stores physical speed of your body, and the speed of your metabolism is also a part of it, thus the speed at which you burn metals can be changed by F-steel. Additionally F-steel does change your mental speed to some small degree. No. They are physically faster, their body is faster, and the equation for kinetic energy is E=mv^2/2 - a punch like that would hurt a lot more. In HoA we see Sazed tapping speed to add energy to his hammer strikes during his confrontation with Kandra, HoA ch 78: It is, the energy, the speed of your body is transferred into the club, that's what your muscles are doing. If that wasn't the case the club would snap in your hands as the tip of it would want to go at the "normal" speed while your hand would go at 3x speed. Tbf, this doesn't make any sense. You are physically faster, and thus you can throw or move objects with your hands faster. A club would receive energy from your movement. Steelrunners can't endure the heat of the atmosphere because that's friction, that's the force of the air acting on their body, heating it up and damaging it. Acceleration is a part of your physical speed, thus you can make an argument that G-forces are tangentially related and thus Feruchemy adapts your body so you can withstand it. Friction of the atmosphere is an external factor. I agree. However Sazed was slamming his hammer with increased speed (or Bleeder with a knife), his wrist would snap, or at least hurt if that was the case. I’m conflicted, but there are limits to this as well. Newton's 3rd Law is applied here, and your body isn't stronger, thus it should get damaged by fast impacts, even those made with hammers or knives if they are too fast.
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  22. Those three events are definitely separate. If Odium wins then why would he want to practically destroy Roshar by tidally locking it? He wants to use it as his training camp, not burn it away in the sun. I personally think that the Night of Sorrow is about the result of the contest of Champions. I believe that Stormfather will be killed and will become a deadeye, Highstorms will stop, endless Weeping and rain will replace them and Stormlight will be gone - thus the Night of Sorrows as there will be no more Stormlight (not literal sunlight). There are so many Death Rattles hinting at that. The Evenstorm was the start of the True Desolation and the Night of Sorrows will be its end.
  23. Hoid doesn't consider this to be a Torment but more like a blessing, he wouldn't want to get rid of this. Another thing is that Hoid held the Dawnshard for much longer than Sigzil, which warped his spirit web so much that it's practically impossible to kill him, unlike Sig who can be killed if he runs out of investiture. In that case it would be much harder to get rid of that (but Oaths can overwrite the Torment and Hoid is a Radiant now - he already dealt with it in his own way). Ch 10: Ch 34:
  24. That was a great journey. I like it, not as good as Yumi, I can’t decide if it’s better than Tress, but boy, there was a loooot of Cosmere here, so much information given to us, but not in big infodumps, but spread across the whole book - I love that. Sigzil turned out to be a very complicated and tragic character, and his character arc was done very well. I teared up when he told how Aux was killed and once again when Aux died for good. That was so sad. The side characters were fine, Rebeke was enjoyable to read, Elegy too, but that's it for me, others were in the background. I was really hoping for more Adonalsium-Will-Remember-Our-Plight-Eventually but he just disappeared after his first appearance. Shame. And that was definitely UTol at the end! There is so much about Cosmere that the book is definitely for fans. Mechanics of Connection, Investiture, Threnody, Scadrial and so much about Dawnshards - all of that is a bit overwhelming. We’re gonna pick this book apart for years here, that’s great. I’m really happy that the book did not reveal too much of SA5, it was vague enough that I don’t even know if Sigzil picked up the Dawnshard during SA5 or some time after (how old is he in RoW? Was it said? He was 38 when he became the Dawnshard). It gives us hits to theorize and that’s great. Aux was a Radiant? He swore the Oaths. They bonded maybe in CR? It makes me think that it’s some kind of Adolin-Maya situation, and Aux was a deadeye, which got revived by bonding with Sig and becoming a Radiant, then Sig bonded Aux as well. If yes then it seems like Skybreakers abandoned Nale en masse. Otherwise I don’t know how Aux just bonded Sig as Radiant. I’m however disappointed with the Night Brigade. I was terrified when they appeared in the skies, the book built them up for so long, and I was really expecting them to show up and confront Sigzil at the very end. Nope. However they are a scary force, an army of red-eyed Shades commanded by what means? With the ability to wipe out planets? That’s scary - I still pity those Scadrians in their ship. Threnody indeed joined the game, but who paid the Night Brigade to hunt Nomad? Those guys are scarier. Who on Storms tried to mess with Sigzil’s Dawnshard to trigger its self-defense mechanism? And this was years after Nomad became Dawnshard. What happened? And who got the Dawnshard next? The Scadrials were shown in a very interesting light. They are split into numerous fractions, there is no solid unity in the space era, but those are Malwish, which have interesting implications for Era 3. They’re like the one in SotD, obeying non-intervention policy, but trading and supplying local rulers for their own benefits, not caring about tyranny or suffering this might cause. Their tech is impressive, AI Awakened Steelminds? Wristbands with targeted Steelpush without getting pushed back? Cool, I really want more! Sigzil doubted he could defeat them, so Scadrial will be a fair challenge for Roshar in the future. And apparently Deadeye are still a thing in one form or the other, as him having a blade wasn't any problem form them, Oaths are, yet they weren’t scared of this either. What Shard is the investiture of Canticle associated with? I really was thinking that Autonomy was meddling here and the Cinder King was her Avatar but apparently that wasn’t the case. What’s in the center of the planet ? And what Shard corrupted investiture to create Cinderhearts? So many questions for which we’ll be waiting until the space era starts. Overall that was a loooot of information to consume. Future will be fun.
  25. With what we know about Connection right now, I think you need something more than seeing Connections to be able to track people - yes, you can follow the Connection line, there is no problem with that, but if you want to know where they are, you would likely need more than that. Something as strong as "Koloss bond" or Nahel Bond gives you a feeling where your spren is, so you might need to steal/copy that Connection and strengthen it enough to feel it. But Heralds, despite having strong Connection to each other from the Oathpact, couldn't feel each other's presence, even before Aharietiam. However I doubt this is how the Messengers are doing this. I wonder how they are doing this, they probably have some device for that, maybe even Awakened one.
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