I'm rereading OB and I was reading the vision of Arhtiam and the stormfather says this: HE FINALLY BROKE, the Stormfather said. HE HAS JOINED THE NINE, WHO STILL LIVE. IN THESE MILLENNIA NONE HAVE EVER DIED AND RETURNED TO DAMNATION, BUT IT DOESN’T MATTER AS IT ONCE DID. We know he is lying from the SA5 prologue and why would he unless it's 2 different creatures? Thoughts?