Storyspren

I like to think not all of TLR’s buddies liked being turned into Kandra 1st gen and might have gotten the frell out of dodge at the first opportunity. You can brainwash the next generation to be zealots. But you are going to lose some of the first, especially when they know that you are kind of a frellnick, to put it mildly.

Then how was/is Dalinar supposed to get his 9 shadows? Use Bondsmith powers to bond them to himself on purpose?

Ok this seems right. Phew! Thanks!

Ok. Sorry to dredge up an old issue but I haven’t found the solution on search and just relistened to the OG trilogy. Where the heck did Mare get the drawing of the flower and the notion of green grass and a yellow sun? If from the 1st Kandra, then that’s kind of out of character for them. Did Ruin somehow get it into her hands like he did for Kelsier’s 11th metal fake myths? Was it from a keeper? That seems most likely. Help me before I start thinking Mare was a first gen Kandra with a Tineye Hemalurgic spike. Thanks in advance.

Or perhaps Taln was never really tortured, which was why he never broke, and he, not Ishar, is the one who betrayed the others. And when he seemed to be happy to give humans so much time to catch up, he really meant he gave the parshmen or some other party that much time. Muah ha ha ha ha

Same mechanism could function if shardplade were made of lots of dead squires. Or if it were made of all the Spren that go with a person... like arm spren, wrist spren, third vertebrae spren etc. muah ha ha ha ha

Thank you for that WOB hero! Thank you many times over. So now I need to go find the club where people think voluntarily colocated Perpendicularities are what is really keeping Odium on Roshar (similarly trapping Cultivation and Honor).

Oh right. Ruin was inside preservation’s perpendicularity. Silly me!

I was wondering recently if there is any reason to think perpendicularities of disparate shards can be co-located. In Mistborn, there’s almost an example of this when Meanwhile, the Horneater origin legend says that Those two things made me wonder if cultivation’s perpendicularity might be only That’s probably wrong but maybe something like that is possible. Perpendicularities could be really near each other or even in the very same physical space, powers intertwined. That could be really weird if the powers were intertwined. Would anyone even be able to take up one power without also taking up the other? Becoming like a partial harmony or a double lord ruler? I just think that could be really interesting if it were possible, but it seems like it would be difficult or impossible to do, particularly with powers from shards of opposing intents. What does the jury say? (Please excuse typos and all other standard disclaimers apply.)

None, because Lift is actually the Nightwatcher. Cultivation is her mother, whose end she experienced via Fortune. Snip, snip, prune prune and she is human looking but keeps her warped Nightwatcher sense of humor and fairness. I will die on this head cannon.

So we have a WOB that Gavilar’s personality change was JUST due to the visions? Or is his being a Kandra replacement a live possibility? If he were Kandra when he was killed, that opens up a lot of answers, both on how he seems to have known so much realmatically compared to post-visions with help of ardents to interpret-Dalinar, and with respect to what his motives and plans might have been.

Are we entirely sure Lift isn’t the Nightwatcher herself with some memories altered Dalinar style? Maybe the Nightwatcher asked Cultivation for a boon? Ok that’s crazy. But are we sure of her backstory? Lift is the most heavily altered human amongst everyone touched by Cultivation. Cultivation, known to alter memories. Her backstory before her encounter with Cultivation is up for grabs as far as I’m concerned.

Ok I don’t really feel that bad for Hoid because his isolation is his own choosing. Both when he rejected the shard and for millennia afterwards when he is busy plotting and scheming instead of living it up. He’s the most charming entity in the Cosmere. He chooses to be a lonely old coot most of the time. If there is some kind of shard of “accepting reality,” that’s the one he rejected.

If you zoom in on the blue And pink swooshes on the left hand side, there are actually a LOT of birds. Like a TON.

Much of the Lord Ruler’s true power came from his total control of information. To get a leg up on all future born fullborn, a similar disinformation campaign could work, convincing people they don’t exist thus preventing their self-discovery or inserting a non-existant weakness into the lore. Back them into a corner always works as well.

For that matter, honor withholding the key information about the surges destroying the last planet seems... less than honorable. Is it honorable to enter into a deal with information THAT incomplete? All these “answers” just sound like excuses to manipulate humans and parshmen in a game of cosmic checkers.

I have a three year old, so I had to audiobook it. On first listen, this book had me on the edge of my seat. I had to break protocol and listen while watching my child. Could not put the second half down! Thank goodness she took that otherwise ill-timed nap so I could get through the end. The big stuff was telegraphed but I thought in such a way that you were just enough ahead of Spensa that you were cringing half the time “No! Don’t do that!” And the other half of the time “Yes! Good choice Spensa!” So much happens in this little book. So much good crazy. I will end on theories: 1) The little fox people mass cytonic disappearance is stupid important. 2) The slugs are smarter than they first appear. 3) Humans are going to totally screw the pooch in the next book. 4) So the tunnels on the human prison planet resemble the big bad tunnels and the slugs live in the middle eh? Thaaaaat’s does not bode well for anybody using them to hyper jump. 5) I’ll be taking a day off for the next book in this series.

The Stormfather, why do people trust him? He doesn’t volunteer useful information. He doesn’t believe Tanavast’s visions are even useful. Wouldn’t have even given them to Dalinar except Honor basically forced him to. He doesn’t want to be summoned as a shard blade. He discourages Dalinar from exploring supposedly useless or unauthorized parts of the visions. Claims not to have seen Odium/Odium’s champion in that one vision but how is that possible? Brought an extra high storm about to mercy kill all the humans, like some crazy herald or something. He is so sketchy, I sometimes wonder if he is working for Odium.

I have her pegged as a Kandra but GB would also make sense.

Well Wayne, mere mortal at least so far, was able to successfully entertain Milan. Milan is many centuries old as of the BOM so I imagine that Wayne’s talent for “making a connection” is exceptionally high. I’d go for a talk with Hoid, if I thought he would do anything but hand me RAFO cards. Same for Kryss. But you can literally take Wayne anywhere and he will fit in and have fun. The perfect 24 hour companion.

I’m lonely so Wayne. TMI?

Burn!

I think they have to be caught before they get tortured and break. Taln might just be excellent at hiding.

Seriously, all the religions Sazed talks about in the first trilogy are candidates for popping up other places. And so, I'm really suspicious about the origins of the keepers and their relation to (other?) world singers etc. I always thought the same thing you pointed out. Great minds think alike. So props man.

I'm with you Zellyia. There should be something significant to that regarding the underlying mechanics and/or the nature of Hoid. It's like the red eyes occurring when something of shard X coopts something of shard Y. The nausea has to be something like that.