FiveLate

There is a hidden meaning behind the picture....there are always more secrets...

[Sarcasm] It is obvious that Hoid has the all hidden away in his Fortress of Solitude I thought. [\sarcasm]

Obviously, I had a bit of a breakdown. I thank you all for your support. I am not going to go into the details, if you want to know, you can pm me. If I feel like sharing them with you I will. If I don't, don't be offended, I am not the sort to share easily. Once again thank you all for the kind words.

I just wanted to say goodbye to some specific Sharders. @Extesian @Calderis @Pagerunner @Yata @hwiles I have appreciated all the feedback you guys have given me on my theories. But the sheer amount of downsides I have been getting lately has been having a large negative impact on my own struggle with depression. Looking at my history seeing 22 listings for reputation then going to the post and seeing 8 up votes is not conducive to my mental health. I might come back and lurk at some point, but my days of posting are over. I wish all of you well.

I see what you mean, but I went through a phase where I tried to read all the major religious books of the world. When I get bored now, I pick one on my kindle and punch in a Brandon location to read. When I started I was amazed at how much cominality could be found between them.

It has now...hadn't realized I hadn't forced entered that one yet. Thanks for the flag.

Oh I was actually arguing against about her spren if that wasn't clear.

Isn't that basic cat imprint? Not koloss cat?

Yes this is one issue I have never been able to come up with a feasible explanation for, but everything else had come together, even if it was crazy guesses I coughed I would publish. I propose they were a preparation, not a response. A prepositioning of power, much like general's preposition troops for the best effect before a battle, or politics prepositions allies before a war. @Calderis and @phoenix2563 The closest idea I can come up with for causing another desolation when not leaving actually goes against part of the other theory, basically that since they are not "needed to fight" staying somehow works against that initial oath making honor appear weaker again to Odium... Edit: many thanks for the feedback.

Bah no one gets Dresden Files reference...I am shocked..... Ok I wish for a cat.

I think he could integrate his surgeon history into his current oaths easily enough. He is going back to Hearthstone. He has vowed to protect even those he doesn't agree with. Keeping someone from dying is protecting them from death.

Wasn't trying to say that the Ghostbloods follow the diagram, just that they are aware of it.

Like maybe a Kanda using dragon bones?

We call it reading and interacting..... Oh that sounded harsh, not that I meant it to be. Really he reads a ton asks a lot of questions of people.

We know that the Oathpact was between Honor and the Heralds. What we don't know is exactly when the Oathpact was formed. Was it in response to Odium showing up? Was it in anticipation of this event? Or did it have absolutely nothing to do with Odium? Here answer 1. Here answer 3 Here answer 4. Here answer 6. These all show that Odium had no part of the Oathpact, and his being stuck on Roshar is an indirect result of it. Now WAST time. The creation of The Dor, and the fight with Ambition surely could be felt by the other Vessels in the Cosmere. It could have become obvious that Odium was hunting Vessels and destroying them. While not diametrically opposed like Ruin and Preservation, there could be some issues with Honors focus on Permanant Bonds, and Cultivations more change centric intents. As lovers, they should have become aware of these issues fairly early after moving in together (on Roshar). Endowment splits off a splinter of herself in every Returned. The contests that selected the Heralds were designed to select 10 individuals. While some were martial in focus, not all necessarily were. Chana is noted for her great speed for instance. While Honor obviously presided over them, perhaps Cultivation was also a judge. Knowing that Odium would be coming, Honor decided to self splinter. This allowed him to focus his intent into specific individuals with the traits he was looking for, rather than the randomness of being shattered. A bunch of mini-champions if you will. While it might make him a bit weaker overalls to spreading out his power overall, it might make him more resilient in the end because of the individuals would be known. He might have forged a separate pact with Cultivation prior to this where she would also do the same to a lesser extent with the chooses, thus giving her a seat at the judgement. This would have allowed Brandon to state that the Oathpact was between Honor and the Heralds, and not mention her. Now if each was looking for specific traits in the contestants, it would make sense if these became ingrained in the Vorin religion. We have this nice table of essences and relations to Heralds from the Vorinn religion. Divine Attributes Primary Divine Attributes of Protecting, Just, Brave, Loving, Learned, Creative, Wise, Resolute, Dependable, and Pious. I feel that I can tie all of these attributes to something Honor would be looking for in someone to hold part of his power. Secondary Divine Attributes of Leading, Confident, Obiedient, Healing, Giving, Honest, Careful, Builder, Resourceful, and Guiding. I feel I can tie all these attributes to Something Cultivation would be looking for. The individuals selected were to lead the people by being living representative of these ideals. Honor splintered off a fairly large bit of Investature to each, and Cultivation a smaller. But this infusion of Investature would seek to enhance these traits in each individual over time becoming more and more a part of their intent. Since they had strength in particular focuses these would be exemplified. Now this large amount of Investiture would probably have affected their life spans as we have seen on Nalthas and on Sel. Having extremely long lived individuals exemplifying ideals should lead to a highly stable society. Thus the Tranquiline Halls mythology. An almost to perfect society, yet not stuck on the now but also the future do to Cultivations influence. The Heralds had to make the Oathpact with Honor, but what was the Oath. TO UPHOLD THE IDEALS FOR AS LONG AS THEY LIVED. The Reward extremely long life. They would not be Heralds of War. But Heralds of Life. Heralds of Ideals. So then Odium shows up. We have the First Desolation. THEY ALL DIE. But due to the splinters they hold, they all become Cognative Shadows. Odium is set back, but these little fairly helpless Heralds are now trapped. They have held a splinter so long they have been warped on the SR to be almost programmed to stay and uphold these ideals. So each time a Desolation starts they move back into the PR and fight for these ideals against the one who killed them. Because of this Odium is stuck. Every time he tries to destroy Honor, they come back like Army ants attacking his flanks. And by coming back they inspire others to the same ideals. Thus indirectly trapping him in Roshar. He sences that Honor is weak, so his hatred won't let him leave, but every time he attacks, the Heralds show up to buffer honors strength. Thus he starts a long game as I outline in my 10 Heralds 10 Fools thread.

I think you are all forgetting one organization who would probably do their best to influence who both of the new highprinces are. The Ghostbloods. Some of them probably have access to the diagram too. Both would want someone controllable in these positions, and I would not be surprised if Ialai had some connections with her vast spy networks. Putting a controllable stooge in power would meet all three of their goals allowing behind the scenes control and guidance.

Granted but it is a fruitcake donut over 100years old. I wish someone had caught my donut wish reference!

Granted, you will forever be remembered in history as the person who forgot the word physical. I wish for a donut, still warm with glazing.

I never really thought of the wording here. Patter says "Some others". If only the Godspren survived, and there were 3 of them I would expect him to say Two others. This is a subtle indication we missed I think, that the Skybreakers survived. Either that or some of the other spren were strong enough to survive, but we're really messed up.

I was thinking about shapes and forms, and realized there can be possibly other even more subtle interaction. Like a ketek. Or the selfish equivalent of one. 5 separate distinct parts contained within one palindrome.

Well they didn't so much have a blade as much as a giant tube of superglue and enormous roll of duct tape.

Milwaukee Wisconsin

Seriously, the most overhyped character is clearly Hoid. He never really does anything but make snide remarks in all the stories. He could literally just be dropped from every story and there would be know change in them, yet he probably has more threads centered on him and more mentions in threads than anyone else in the Cosmere.

I would like a scene from either Dalimars or Elhokars POV where the similarities between their drunken states during assassination attempts are brought out. Maybe Dalinar explaining how Dalinar imparting how he changed his life and Elhokar having a revelation as to how to be a better king.

Now I keep envisioning a Brain Bug from Starship Troopers.....