Nymeros

What makes you feel that failure isnt a valid resolution to a plot or character arc? It takes skill to pull it off without leaving the audience dissatisfied but still.

An excuse for what?

This. I feel like Gloryspren are just the subspren of the Bondsmith Order. What's confusing you?

So, do you understand that the main theme for the book is failure?

I don't think Nohadan was a Radiant

She's been 10 for 3 years so my awesome math skills tell me she is 13.

Ruin and Nightblood

I live in the 21st century afterall as do we all, and our modern societal standards are going to impact how we view the characters and their actions. That said, I never indicated that i expected/wanted the characters to be punished as they currently would in our world for the same crimes.

Yeaahhhhh, Moash pretty much lost my support when he, with no confliction or hesitation, killed an innocent civilian just because he had orders to do so. Still excited to see what Brandon has planned for him in future books though.

It's treason no matter what light you shine on it as well as consipiracy to commit murder. Here in the U.S. we'd have him stripped of rank, tried, and imprisoned. Again, I don't care about the difference between Kaladin and Moash as I'm not trying to equate their crimes. I feel thats its ridiculous for Kaladin to betray Bridge 4s ideals, lie to them about it, and continue on without issue. Kaladin also feels this way which is why he thinks about needing to come clean. To be clear: no, I don't. Here in the U.S., it definitely is. It's the difference between 1st and 2nd degree murder and what drove a person to such a point and the extent of their hot bloodedness could determine whether it was murder or manslaughter that was committed in regards to a homicide. I never argued that his decision to kill Elokhar was a hot-blooded one. It was cold blooded (and still dope). Keep in mind that Moash's emothions are being actively supressed by himself and Odium as well and even then he thinks of Bridge 4 and Kaldin very frequently. He even credits Kaladin with saving his soul: They tried to break me. Damnation, they did break me. But then he made me again, a new man. I threw it all away. I always do that. Why must we always take something precious, Guff, and find ourselves hating it? As if by being pure, it reminds us of just how little we deserve it. I held the spear, and I stabbed myself with it.... He had no ill intent in that gesture Im sure. Also no matter how much you hate Moash, he hates himself more.....so......yeah.

What this guy said. It may be Transformation just because of how powerful that surge is.

I believe those are the 3 Bondsmith Spren. The other pictures showed the other Radiant spren didn't they? I would assume so but I literally cannot even recall what that religious movement is about. You know, most of these questions are mysteries that Sanderson simply hasnt resolved and not things you overlooked. I'm sure Odium had a role in providing humans the same gimped surges the Fused currently use. The world being destroyed is likely humanity screwing up somehow and Odium helped a group of them move. Does it matter that Tanavast didn't make the humans on Roshar? They still worship ahimnd follow him as the Almighty,

Whaaaattt? Thats news to me. Is Stormfather floating around the spiritual realm most of the time? How did Stormfather Bondsmiths even operate pre Recreance?

Where is the Stormfather even located?

I never stated that their betrayals were similar to have overstated it. I'm just dissatisfied that Kaladin has received no comeuppance and curious about the amount of flak Moash gets for his hot blooded decision to strike Kaladin down while Kaladins role in placing Moash in such a difficult decision is brushed off. Yes. Even Kaladin feels this way. Its ridiculous for Kal to indicate that Moash stopped being a member of Bridge 4 based in his actions but still totally count himself as a member while lying to their faces. No it was incredibly dope. I was shocked when Moash popped up at the palace. To start with no resources or support and end with the head of Alethkar dead is quite an accomplishment. I'm not sure how the Immortal Words are relevant. Moash didnt care and why would he? Elokhar is responsible for the death of Moash's grandparents, not Roshone. Moash already knew of Roshones involvement even if he didnt know his name.

A few thousand.....which is CRAZY. Many, many, many more if squires and the like are accounted for.

Oh I don't. It's why I was cheering when Moash killed Elokhar. Dudes the head of a nation that actively practices slavery and directly took actions that resulted in Moash's (free) grandparents dying. That Moash was dope enough to take vengeance was awesome to me. Eh, that has nothing to do with Kaladin personally really. Kaladin. His internal dialogue reveals that he knows he should be upfront and come forward and he just...hasnt. He has also been actively misleading/lying to Bridge 4 and he wouldn't do that if he believed what he did was right (he'll share with some of them before his superiors certainly). My fear is that of Kaladins heroics along with Elokhars death and Szeths joining that Kaladin will come forward and Dalinar/Bridge 4 will brush it off. What is cowardly is his inability to come clean with others about the situation and his involvement

So Kaladin betrayed Dalinar (....and Moash). He made an oath to protect Dalinar's family but went behind Dalinar's back and became a participant in an assassination plot against Elokhar....he never confesses to his involvement in the plot or expresses any guilt whatsoever for betraying Dalinar, and it seems as if the incident was swept under the rug. It's cool that he changed his mind about letting Elokhar be killed but am I the only person who is not okay with his actions and the way Brandon Sanderson handled the plot in the story? Or just makes Kaladin comes across as a coward. Even Adolin got over his cowardice and and confessed but the Windrunner will not? Concerning Moash: why does Moash get so much hate for choosing his vengeance over Kaladin when it was Kaladin who allowed Moash to continue with the assassination plot and gifted him weapons that he knew would be used against Elokhar only to change his mind at the last possible second? That's like assisting someone with accomplishing their greatest dreams, giving them a fortune to do so, and then right as the person is about to go fulfil their ambition you say "whoops, that wasn't supposed to happen. How about you forget all about your dreams and go take several seats?" I personally dont blame Moash for not ditching his goals at the last moment just because Kaladin changed his mind and chose to fight against him.

Same place as every other nation in the series?

Dalinar Kholin It's like Ned Stark and Tywin Lannister had a really awesome baby together.

How did people immediately guess Dalinar would be Odium's Champion? What clues were there at the beginning of the story? That was a shocker for me. Anywhos I had no clue who the Champion would be. I expected a new character so as to avoid predictability.

Amaram lusts for power and would likely fail Nightblood's test and kill himself. Moash is no longer someone who desires power despite his past dreams. He even refrained from taking Elokhar's shardblade; he didn't seem tempted at all. I feel that he would likely pass Nightblood's test as he wouldnt have a desire to use him for any purposes. Moash doesnt seem to give enough of a crap to fail it.

I don't get this since he hasn't actually done anything as Odiums agent. I watched a lot of Transformers cartoons as a kid (a lot), and Starscream was actually sniveling and whiny and desiring leadership but too weak and cowardly to take command. That isn't Taravangian. I think you're upset about how you think his story is going to go. He bent the knee but he isnt sniveling or cowardly and we have no idea what dynamic he will have with Odium or what Sanderson has planned for him.

Dude, what about Taravangian is sniveling or cartoony?

I was thrown off by your precisely then. Kaladin is too different from Moash to walk the same path. Kaladin needs Syl not to commit suicide.....so what stage of his journey are you referring to when you say 'without Syl?' True. I really want him to be a Radiant but: -We do need powerful villains with a connection to the themes of the story (transformation, accountability) and a connection to the heroes -It would be weird for him to switch from a Windrunner moveset to another Orders (and he doesnt seem like the Windrunner type) .....Le sigh