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Yes, they form an understanding of how their powers work, but my point was that initially they seem to be accessing powers by instinct. Kaladin won't be limited by someone not telling him how to summon shardplate as you suggested, or that he can. He will just do it, and once he does, he'll understand how to form it more easily, just like he did with lashings. I'm not saying he will always be instinctively summoning it, I'm saying the first time it will be.

My point was that because of the WoB we probably won't see any of the KR viewpoint characters reach a point where they'll be able to summon shardplate. I wasn't actually commenting on the actual reasons why we wouldn't see any of them, especially Kaladin, not use it. My last line was just an agreement that Kaladin wouldn't be using shardplate in the near future. I agree that Kaladin will probably need to reach the next ideal of the Windrunners in order to access shardplate. However, I disagree that he would have to be informed about using it. As we've seen with our KRs, their abilities seem to be usable, on some level, at an instinctive level, without foreknowledge of it happening. Kaladin learned the necessary ideals instinctively (or more likely the knowledge was added to him as a natural result of the Nahel Bond), could use some abilities with knowing he could, and summoned Syl the first time. Shallan too soulcast instinctively. As such, I think then when Kaladin advances the Nahel Bond to the right stage, he could form his shardplate instinctively, if the situation called for it. On the other hand, it is possible that he may just be told about it, and go ahead and do it, but I honestly doubt it.

My guess is that it requires the Command Breaking of the 8th Heightening as well as perhaps being related to the process Vasher used to erase the priest's daughter's memories.

Actually, according to Navani's notebook, it appears the gem with the spren inside is the fabrial, while the device using it is a machine. This is how she seems to be referring to it.

So I did a quick dig on Theoryland for shard plate info. First thing I confirmed is that Brandon has RAFOed any questions so about shardplate being formed from spren, though he has confirmed that there is a bond between shardplate and it's wearer, which suggests to me that it probably is going to be spren. [Source] Secondly, and more distressing, is a WoB that we won't learn how to make shardplate in book 3. [Source] The WoB came out last year, so unless Brandon changes his plans, we won't learn until at least book 4. Maybe this means Kaladin won't be using shardplate much after all as @bdoble97 suggested.

There is a WoB on the matter, sort of, from a year ago: [Source] In typical Brandon fashion, he didn't give us a straight answer, but it does look like he's leaning towards after, though it seems like he isn't 100% certain yet. I imagine it's going to be answered properly in the next couple books, or we'll be able to get a solid answer from him. For now, I'm assuming that he was shattered afterwards.

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Being somewhat invested wouldn't stop an object from being burn. After all, metalminds are invested but they can be burned. It's just that shardblades are so invested that they would be nigh-impossible to burn.

I mean, the allomancers wouldn't be obsolete entirely. They would just be more for higher-end needs. It's true though that once you made a medallion which gave nicrosil allomancy and feruchemy, anyone holding that medallion could infinitely recharge the nicrosil in other medallions.

Yes. This supports my argument that they are investiture in physical form. However, it doesn't say that some of that investiture carries over to make them more invested than other metals, therefore making them more resistant to other investiture. That sort of statement is what I was looking for, since I haven't seen anything that says that they are inherently more invested.

If we were to weigh the evidence between the Stonewards giving up their oaths and the Stonewards being the group which didn't, what we would get is evidence which directly states that we see Stonewards give up their shards and oaths and evidence that we have a group with a similar name and have an entity in their religion which has been vague described and which could be one related to the ones bound to the other group or could be one of the other types of which there are many. Looking at this, this is why I think the Stonewards are not the group which didn't give up their oaths.

At the stage they are in though, they are physical metal. I don't think they would be resistant any more than other metals since they aren't invested. You can argue that every metal of Scadrial in pure investiture of the shards, since they were all made, along with Scadrial, directly from the power of R&P. Do you have anything which indicates that they are considered more invested than other metals?

The evidence is mainly that in Dalinar's vision, he saw Stonewards abandon their shards along with Windrunners. While it's possible, that as people said, some Stonewards didn't participate, and this was their subterfuge, personally I disagree.

Just wear metalgloves or thick leather ones. That should be enough I think.

I agree with Voidus. The equal-opposite reaction-action as a result of the chain hitting Kelsier would rip their arms off. However, if we go back to the idea of letting go of an object right before hitting him with it and apply it to the chain or wire.... then I think we might have something. Although, with something fine enough, like piano wire as suggested, I'm not sure how much reaction force there would be since it would just slice through Kelsier. I'm not that up-to-date on my slice-people-with-wires-knowledge.

The implications seem to be that any two powers in a person result in a side effect, even if the powers can't easily naturally coincide. So someone who can bind the surge of illumination while being a misting would have an effect unique to that pair, same thing with a misting who gained the powers of awakening. Good point on the aiming, forgot about that interlude. I imagine that hemalurgically granted powers would have associated perks, provided you don't surpass whatever limits there are and the perks get crowded out. You are correct. Premise in this context would mean working assumption. However, since he is willing to share this, chances are that he's at least somewhat certain that this is the route he wants to go, with some sort of mechanics governing these limitations.

The first book is Into Darkness. I think Darkness Descending is the second one. There are 6 in total. I've read it twice, and like Turtledove's Race alternate history series, found it quite enjoyable. From Grade 9 science class I vaguely recall them as being "Cigar-shaped"

Sneakers, Boots, Heels, Crocs, Sandals, Flip-flops, Slippers, Cleats, Dress Shoes. WLIU: From Harry Turtledove's Darkness Saga series, name 8 kingdoms or other self-governing bodies. Bonus points if you can name the real-Earth countries they were analogous to as well.

No WoB on Theoryland seem to be indicative of the Nahel Bond being linked to the Boon/Curse of Nightwatcher so if you could find the WoB on reddit, As far as I'm aware, the only relation between Lift gaining a nahel bond and her boon/curse is the fact that the committee of spren managing Wyndle chose her because of her Old Magic.

Do you mean 9 types of footwear or 9 types of shoe shoes?

As I said earlier, my issue with an non-living object gaining a power from a hemalurgic charge is that there is a WoB that flowing blood is a part of a giving power hemalurgically. The only weird thing I see about this is that I don't think kandras have blood, though I could be wrong. [Source]

I think the shard would have to be invested into the Scadrial in order for allomancy to be changed in that manner.

Shades are just cognitive shadows of people who died on Threnody under specific conditions. It wouldn't make sense for them to be anyone from Roshar since it would be extremely hard for them to get there. I don't really understand what you're meaning here, but Syl identified it as an Honorblade, and since the choices are an honorblade or a sprenblade, I feel like she's a pretty good authority on the matter. The only do not reappear when the owning Herald dies I think. When the Herald dies, the blade disappears with them and I presume goes to Damnation with them. I'm guessing that whatever the original reason the Oathpact was made is still in effect. Even though we don't know what it was. Also, I'm feeling like that fact that the Oathpact not being broken is indicative that Taln at least is still upholding it despite having misplaced his honorblade. It could also mean that the other Heralds are still bound to it as well, which I think may be the case as well. One of my thoughts on the Oathpact is that its original design was about the Heralds swearing to protect and guide the Rosharans, with Honor giving them the power to do so in return. This worked until Odium arrived and the Heralds got more than they bargained for, which is why they broke. However, some of them are still working to uphold the spirit of the Oathpact now, such as Nale, by doing what he believes will stop the True Desolation from coming around. Very interesting. My first thought is that it appears Brandon might've misheard the question a bit, considering he started talking about the Oathpact despite the question not talking about it. I'm curious about what he thought the question was about to give a bit more context to the answer. Nothing about that in the forum rules as far as I've seen. The "we are all readers here" rule just seems to be applying to the use of IM shorthand, like "u" for "you".

It's not that you can't burn them per se, it's more along the general rules of investiture interfering with investiture, with burning metals following that. I can't find a WoB which explicitly says so, but I have some which implicitly say so. The second one is the main reasoning. The thing is that atium and lerasium by themselves are not considered invested, by the general use of the term. Saying an object is invested means that it is containing kinetic investiture within it, or moving through it, such as a feruchemical charge, breath, stormlight, Dor things, etc. What atium and lerasium are is condensed investiture. Investiture in physical form, like everything else physical. They don't actually have kinetic investiture in them, so they are considered invested. As such, they can be burned with regular effort. Lerasium or atium metalminds on the other hand will require some effort.

Yes. All investiture is essentially the same, it just takes on different forms. They might not of noticed, but as we saw with Vin an allomancer can feel the power of a metalmind despite being unable to burn so that likely isn't the reason. I think the actual reason is because the inquistors use their hemalurgic spikes as metalminds, so burning them would be a bad idea.