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    Except for the glaring exception that the Dor is composed of powers of creation in the cognitive realm of course. You said also that the Dor began in the Cognitive Realm as explanation for the exception? Could you expand on that when it seems to have been indicated that it's in fact formed from the remnants of Devotion and Dominion pressed into the Cognitive Realm by Odium. Here. It's interesting because you actually referenced this in the OP. My thoughts on the matter, now that I've finally gotten around to slogging through the well-researched and well-presented write-up. I am far less opposed to the theory now that it no longer resides on the premise that the powers of creation are separate from investiture. I have some questions though. I'll admit some of these aren't me asking to contest it, but asking to push you into strengthening your points. Sel: You state that the magic system of Sel is Creation Magic, but then sub-define variations of it as Investiture Magic. This means then that it is possible for a magic system to be generally a Creation Magic, but then have sub-varieties which aren't? Seems complicated. Nalthis: You say that passing breaths from one person to the next is Investiture Magic, which means you can't really change other people with it, which is in contrast to the strong implications that you can use awakening to modify someone's memories. Also, when you said that colour is being consumed to access the Powers for awakening, are you meaning that colour as a property is somehow being turned into investiture to draw upon Powers from somewhere else? How then does breath play into awakening? Could the Nightwatcher not be accessing the Powers in order to change the people, therefore making Old Magic a Creation Magic? I don't see how the recipients not touching the Powers matters since it doesn't for other branches. Okay, initial thoughts. Thinking about this too hard is tiring and slightly painful.
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    Are you saying that everyone who disagrees with your speculation is wrong or that everyone who is offering a definite answer is wrong?
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    "What do you call a killer who does his paperwork?" "Nale"
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    Yeah, it doesn't. Honestly, I'm not actually certain about that being confirmed. I feel like I saw it said from a confirmed source, but I can't find it so I hid the post.
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    Personally I think that surgebinding is only of Honor, not of Cultivation. I see no reason to think that gender is somehow important. I believe it has been presented in Edgedancer that the windrunners and stonewards who abandoned their shards were made up of men and women. Furthermore, Edgedancer spoilers: While I agree with the analogy that orders of the KR are suppose to work together, each one filling a small part in the workings of an organization to save anyone, I don't think strict duality of half the orders are of Honor and the other half are of Cultivation. I think it's more a range, because of the spren who cause them. All the nahel bond spren, or most, are made up of a mixture of Honor and Cultivation investiture, and this likely shows in their approach in oaths. Syl for example sees herself as an honorspren, likely nearly all Honor, and this reflects in the Windrunner ideals of keeping your oaths. Anyhow, to break down everything, the idea that the KR get their powers from Honor and Cultivation is correct, as their power is filtered through a mixture of Honor and Cultivation's power, presumably a spren, in order to allow them to surgebind. However, I disagree with the idea that it is a strict duality. At the same time, I don't think surgebinding arose from the mixing of Honor and Cultivation's power, but rather just the power of Honor.
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    1) I'm controlling a bunch of koloss and they do all my forum posting for me.
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    They wouldn't be able to worldhop him out of his cell without a perpendicularity anyways. My point was that if they wanted him to act as an agent in the cognitive realm, they would've had to have done so sooner. Killing him now and making him into a cognitive shadow would limit his options to only Scadrial, assuming they even have the power around to do so. Edit: 2) Here's the WoB that the Honorblades are always inefficient.
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    Sprenblades cut on the physical and spiritual, not the cognitive. This is repeatedly stated in Stormlight Archives and confirmed by WoBs talking about healing your soul after being cut by one. In general, I don't think general spiritual damages can replicate what hemalurgy does; hemalurgy is a manifestation of investiture with the intent of causing specific and precise changes in the spiritual, and I don't think simply cutting will does that. Furthermore, based on what we've seen, sprenblades and Honorblades seem to only destroy the parts of spiritual associated with the physical parts, which is different than how hemalurgic bindpoints work. I doubt they'll be able to access the deeper sections of the spiritweb to destroy those sections.
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    Based on another WoB, I think that Hoid isn't actually using feruchemy, just similar mechanics that some branches of feruchemy use, and the WoB which states that he is using feruchemy is just an incorrect paraphrase. My feeling is that Brandon said that he's using the mechanics that feruchemy uses, and the person just misinterpreted or forgot and wrote the WoB as him using feruchemy. That, or Brandon has changed his mind on the matter.
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    Read it on the Coppermind
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    Interesting point. I've always interpreted that WoB as the allomantic power "saying" that line in a general term. So what I've taken it to mean is that the allomantic power is finding the feruchemical charge-enhanced metal which is different than normal, but the power is still "I know how to mimic that," so it goes ahead and does so. Note that this power hasn't reached you yet. It's still on the other side of the filter made from the metal. In order to reach you it has to pass through the filter by changing itself to mimic the feruchemical charge. So it's not your allomantic power changing to mimic something you know how to do, it's power from Preservation changing to do something we know investiture can do.
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    They might be, but even if they aren't, there's a good chance that Sazed would be okay with it. He doesn't mind people doing whatever they want as long they aren't too disruptive when they do it, like the Set are.
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    Fair, except we don't actually know how much is going on with them so to say that they're above a threshold where they can't be hit with emotional allomancy but Rashek is below the threshold where he can be easily affected by soulcasting is extremely tenuous. I honestly see it as more likely that they're both above a threshold where direct investiture-based attacks would be largely ineffective. 4500 years is a long time. He could've picked one up at any point. Honestly I don't see larkins as being effective weapons since they appear very short-range, in a fight where you probably need to be moving around a lot. As stated, that's adhesion, not cohesion. In any case, I don't see it being that effective against TLR when he can just rip off whatever limbs get stuck then immediately regrow them. As noted, Lift had a rather small amount of stormlight, compared to the amount TLR would probably have when he's fighting at full speed. Also, it's not hard to realize that your allomancy is being drained. I don't think it would actually be that effective against allomancy and feruchemy though, because those are both powers where investiture is instantly drawn from a source then used, unlike surgebinding where the surgebinder stockpiles the stormlight within, thus making them vulnerable to larkins consuming it. EDIT: Excerpt from Lift's segment. As it says, she could see the stormlight leave her. Also, the fact that she could describe it with that much detail means that it was probably fairly close to her, meaning short-range use.
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    Harmony doesn't meddle unless it's to keep things on track. Adding a bunch of full feruchemists isn't necessary to everything in harmony, and would actually probably make things worse by destabilizing the structure of power, which would require more interference from Harmony.
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    VenDell's comment about combining bloodlines was him referring to the fact that they were trying to birth a full feruchemist once more, untainted by the allomantic gene. This was being performed by what sounds like a highly questionable eugenics project spearheaded by the Terris Elders and assisted by the kandra. If there are any full feruchemists around then the kandra don't know about them otherwise there wouldn't be a need to birth one.
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    Compounding is not a resonance. This is demonstrated by the fact that TLR is confirmed to not having any resonances due to being a Fullborn, yet could still compound. Furthermore, based on what we've seen, resonances are not directly used in conjunction to the powers which create them. Examples being: Lightweavers have some sort of memory ability and Windrunners increase the quality and quantity of their squires. Neither resonance empowers either surgebinding power directly.
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    Cadmium allomancy is fairly recent on the whole Cosmere scale for certain major players, so it can't be the way the ancients have reached this point. We have been told though that travelling in the cognitive realm does afford some measure of time dilation.
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    I'm fairly certain that allomantic iron is iron in its elemental form. Iron we ingest, trapped in biological molecules and the like, are in its ionic form, and would be non-burnable. When they talked about people burning trace metals, we're talking about metal impurities, like scrappings from containers, ending up in the food, which is then ingested. This would be elemental, and therefore burnable.
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    Rashek is arrogant, but he's also not an idiot. He knows how to plan and make contingencies, as he clearly showed during the Mistborn Era 1. He wouldn't throw everything away in an attack without preparing first. Four normal people is well below a sliver with a ton of investiture circulating through him. The argument falls through. While we don't know how much more invested a fullborn sliver is to a person, nor how much more a fullborn sliver with that much kinetic investiture is circulating within, trivializing it like you are doesn't work. Also, Vin being able to steelpush his metalminds is not an argument as that was literally the power of a shard helping her. Just because stormlight is the gaseous manifestation of a shard's power doesn't mean it works in the same way, and we've seen no indication of stormlight working similarly to how mist do as you've described. Also, I find it odd that you're arguing that soulcasting would be relatively effective against TLR despite the amount of investiture he's got going on, but that emotional allomancy wouldn't be that effective against Heralds for the exact same reasons. Mind elaborating a bit on that discrepancy? We have no indication that Heralds just casually carry around larkins. Nale was because he knew he was going to find Lift. Nothing has indicated that Heralds at the time when they could've actually fought Rashek carried around larkins as weapons, so this is a moot point. Nothing we have seen indicates that throwing investiture at a target interferes with the investiture they already have. Everything has only shown the opposite to occur, where the investiture already in place resists further addition of investiture. As such, I doubt this would actually happen and could count as a credible threat. Apparently darts can go up to 400 ft/s, or 439 km/h. Interesting. Still can be six times slower than a bullet. I'll note that while having a mainline to Honor's power means that they won't ever run out of stormlight, it doesn't mean that they don't have a limit on how much they can use at a given moment, so unlimited is incorrect. We know next to nothing about what surgebinding cohesion would do so using it as an example is completely moot, and at best, speculation. I still see no reason to think that any Heralds, with what powers we know them to possess pre-Aharetiam, could beat TLR one on one. All ten at once, I would doubt TLR's chance, but one on one I would bet on TLR every time.
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    Keep in mind that if we're talking about TLR versus pre-Aharetiam Heralds, the amount of stormlight they have might be limitless. According to a WoB, the Heralds had a direct conduit to Honor's investiture at one point.
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    That was a very good write-up.
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    The Southern Scadrians were displaced to the south from the North by Rashek, so it's a possibility. I see. I don't think Miles effectively loses identity, but more along the lines that spiritual identity is something tied to all parts of the spiritweb, so losing a bit of the spiritweb would always remove a bit of identity, but percent-wise, your amount of identity would remain. That's a bit imprecise, it would be more accurate to say that your spiritual identity is replicated over all parts of your spiritweb equally. As an analogy, imagine identity as a personal barcode. That barcode is copied all over your spiritweb, so when a piece is taken, a copy, or part of a copy, would be taken as well, but it wouldn't actually change your spiritual identity in any way. I see that WoB. It's a really weird one honestly, because it goes against what happened in TFE regarding burning an metalmind you didn't make. I'm assuming though that it's referring to a keyed metalmind, since that's well before BoM and the concept of unkeyed metalminds came out. Sorry, can you run by your reasoning as to why feruchemical power is needed to compound when it sounds like you don't even need to access the feruchemical power to compound?
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    He's talking about cognitive identity, not spiritual identity. Rashek sees himself as Rashek and has for close to a millennia. It would be difficult to cognitively convince otherwise. Innate investiture could probably, but there's also the issue of kinetic investiture from allomancy and feruchemy all shifting through his body at all times. The amount of cross-interference going on would make it really difficulty. There's also a possibility, though we haven't seen any indication, that the process of trying to bribe his cognitive with stormlight to change would be recognized by him consciously, in which case he could just run away and they would have to follow in either the physical or cognitive realm. I know, I'm just pointing out that trying to play down his strength, which is what I thought you were doing, with comparisons against those characters, doesn't work. In part my mistake. With regards to forging, we don't actually know if it's more difficult power-wise to forge a human. I'm pretty sure it is, compared to a pot, due to the increased innate investiture.
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    I don't think soulcasting would work that well against Rashek, since he's got a stronger innate investiture than normal, even regular mistborns, or fullborns, due to having ascended at one point. Soulcasting metalminds would probably be fairly difficult as well since they're invested, and they would resist other investiture-based attacks, not to mention that the ones piercing his skin would have added spiritual protection. The others you mentioned, Hoid and the Heralds, aren't good examples for trying to argue that he's not extremely powerful, considering those entities are extremely powerful and regarded as being well-above anyone else around them in strength.
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    I never said your statement wasn't that, just that I disagree with the possibility of that idea being possible. Do you have a source for the fact that burning a keyed metalmind would yield allomantic power versus the inability to burn it at all as was portrayed in TFE? I'll point out that aluminum gnats do gain power when they burn aluminum, which is what destroys metals and possibly cleanses other investiture-based impurities from them.
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