Elenion
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After reading Arin's proposed hotfixes, I think they'll fix the game pretty well. Drake's and my motivation in proposing our silver bullet idea was to fix the game, not take it over, so we're for any reasonable hotfix plan that will solve the game's problems. One thing I'd like to add that was part of our silver bullet plan and HH brings it up again just now is that we should limit or completely block new rules after we restructure the game. Also, Drake and I don't want to just take over the lynch, but if you insist on attempting to lynch us for outing ourselves to make the game balanced then we will preserve ourselves. We weren't forced to claim; we did so to show exactly what was wrong with the game.
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The goal of any eliminator is to kill all of the village, that's how the game goes. Since I'm playing on what's widely considered the elim team, and what Wilson has already painted at the elim team, I have no qualms about saying that I want to either kill (or better, convert) the vanillas. That's SE. I'm going to go to bed and sleep this off. @little wilson I know you're off, but I'm interested in carrying on our discussion about whether voting on another player counts as targeting them.
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(no quotes in edits per the glitch) Of course it would be stupid and illogical. I never said we were packing 4 lives each, I said that between the 2 of us we had 4 lives, which is true. At least to me, this crosses the boundary between pointed debate and outright incivility.
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To quote from the SE lexicon: In SE, a vote does not "target" another player. Boring players are only immune to targeting, not to votes.
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As I said before, Boring occurs originally when "a player receives no votes". Now at minimum, by this sentence alone, Drake's votes will prevent any players that were Interesting last cycle from being boring for this cycle. Boring players are untargetable, can make no actions, and can't vote except on themselves. If you remove the appositive phrase from the last sentence, you get "no one plays attention to their votes... unless they vote on themselves, which makes them interesting". This phrase describes how a Boring player can have their vote count if they vote on themself. It says nothing about a player voting on another to make the second player interesting, which is covered in the first sentence. @little wilson To address your second point.
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From the rules: Drake has enough votes to affect all of these players per Sheep's clarification. Since each of these players has no longer received no votes, therefore they are not boring. Please read the rules a little closer yourself before you accuse me of being not actually able to do this "dumb thing". We have a plan for a dual victory, and it involves reducing the game to only WorldSmiths and Brotherhood (a non-aggression pact, if you will), and then passing a rule that ends the game with a cooperative win. Possible, plausible, and no backstabbing of any of our factionmates. Again, no backstabbing would be necessary per our plan. I would not stoop to that just for a small game of SE. Wrong. Per Sheep's clarifications we can field 51 this cycle, and 96 the next. Incorrect and addressed above. No. Per the rules: We are two players with 2 lives each, therefore 4 lives. You are likely interpreting the phrase in the rules that says: However, I believe this only applies to the previous sentence, or at least that's how it sounds when I read it. @AliasSheep clarification please. No comment here. I addressed this above: we can pass a rule to modify the win cons once there are only Brotherhood and WorldSmiths left.
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Wilson, we weren't trying to put rules into play that would break the game. For one, I haven't voted for a single rule all game since I put my starting rule in. I can't explain what rules are interacting because of roleclaim restrictions, but the majority of them aren't ours or even our allies'. They just apply to us, and we're trying to fix that.
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@little wilson Please don't be so condescending with us. Drake and I between us are completely overpowered. Based on role and rule interactions never meant to happen, we're on both warring teams, have a private communication, 4 lives, basically infinite votes, and a win con to ensure that the Brotherhood and WorldSmiths both win. If one of us is killed the other can remarry, gain another role, and the next duo would be even stronger. This won't be a fun game for the non-EDrakeion players if we don't rebalance the game, so we're trying to show everyone that a rebalance needs to happen.
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Because we're married. We're both WorldSmith and Brotherhood, and so per Sheep's clarifications we have to go for a dual win. There's no alternative for us. (Also, because we're married, I'm packing the same number of votes Drake is)
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@little wilson We aren't trying to go dictatorial. We haven't dropped a massive vote-hammer on a non-faction player, we just made everyone non-Boring. We haven't forced everyone to accept our plan, and if you accept it by voting for it we haven't forced everyone to pick option 2. If Drake and I were trying to take over the game, we would have done it using Drake's massive vote horde to overwhelm the voting for the rules, not explained our rule for everyone to see and discuss. What Drake just did is to prove to everyone that the game is horribly broken and needs to be fixed. A balanced game wouldn't allow Drake to vote on everyone, nor would it allow the WorldSmiths to be working with the Brotherhood. We're trying to fix these problems, not exacerbate them.
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The intent wasn't to skirt the committee; we're cool with running it by Alv, Joe, or anyone else not in the game if that option gets selectedn Also, to clarify something that I didn't before: the voting would be done not with one vote per person but by each person listing the rules they'd be "OK with", and the option that is amenable to the most people being selected.
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My idea with the game wipe options was to just put most every possible option out there. The way my rule is set up, anyone who wants a change can vote yes, and then if the players as a whole want the change then they're in a position to make the one they want. Not all of my options are good--6 isn't, IMO--but I want them all to be options. Our motivation is to make the game fun to play. Check for fine print if you want, the only thing you'll have to trust us on is that the rules for #2 are balanced, and we both believe that they are.
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I'm in definite agreement with you there. Guys, as much fun as it may be to create crazy rules, this game is insanely broken. Here's just a few of the ways: 1. Elementalists can doc spy, making the game basically impossible for the factions. 2. It's very hard to get actions done, with pancakes limiting and requiring actions, spheres limiting actions, roleblocks going off right and left (someone got me last cycle), etc. 3. It's hard enough for a vanilla to win with an SK kill, much less with your items being eaten by bunnies. The factionless have absolutely no chance. 4. The WorldSmiths also have no chance, because of the crazy number of items hitting the field every turn and their kill not even killing a player all the way. 5. The Brotherhood maybe have a chance, if they can get their actions through. Maybe. 6. I don't know enough about the Agents of Chaos, but I'd assume their win con is practically impossible as well. 7. It's Day 3, and we have a big whopping one death. At this rate we'll be here all year. I've heard from multiple players that this game needs a rules cleanup. Proposing: Len and Drake's Silver Bullet to this game's problems. When our rule (to be proposed tonight) is voted in, the game will freeze. No actions or effects will resolve. Next cycle, a public vote will take place between these options: 1. Complete game wipe. Elim team randomly created, and the game becomes a true vanilla game. 2. Complete game wipe. The game is now a hidden info game based on rules that Drake and I have created. 3. Complete game wipe. The rules of this game are set to those of a random, previously-run LG. 4. Complete game wipe. Each player submits one rule, and the game begins again from C1 with no new rules being introduced. 5. The game unfreezes and resumes as before. 6. The game is over. All players win. 7. All players vote on whether to keep or remove each individual rule in this game, then the game restarts with the new rules. Voting in our rule won't force the game to change, but it will allow us all to counteract critical game flaws before they render the game unplayable.
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@WorldSmiths Take pity on the game balance, please? Just because you can hammer in Rule 2 doesn't mean that you should.
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Even if Clanky is WorldSmith, he still makes a good point that Rule #2 could be anonymously vote-hammered into play by the WorldSmiths unless we coordinate. But I do have to wonder, if he is a WorldSmith, why he would have brought that to our attention.
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Amarthion picked up a rock from near where he was sitting and tossed it, watching it skip out of sight into the starlit expanse of the night. He and Qwertyuiop had sat in silence for a few minutes, each deep in thought. Amarthion had begun to ponder the idea of free will for the third time when a blinding light broke his focus and forced him to shield his eyes. "Lady Midran," Amarthion said, and despite not being able to see her yet he said, "I see you haven't changed ." His eyes finally adjusted, and he looked up to see a fair-skinned woman wearing a light blue dress that matched the color of her eyes, staring off into the night. He would have considered her beautiful were she not a distant cousin of his. "Lord Amarthion," she said, echoing Amarthion's formal tone in a joking way, "I thought three years would have made you a little less formal. But here you are, "refined" as always." "I cannot help the way that I think, Lady Midran." "Idris." "Lady Midran. And what are you doing here? It's not safe! Someone's liable to conjure a dragon or something." "And if they do I'm sure I'd have the pleasure of watching you slay it in my defense. Besides, it would be such fun to see a dragon outside of captivity." Amarthion didn't even try to respond. Instead, he just watched as Idris Midran walked into the crowd by herself. If she got herself hurt, Amarthion wasn't about to be held accountable. (257 words) @Drake Marshall I have the proposal order in.
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@Drake MarshallI've been looking for a marriage partner this entire game, but have had the same problem as everyone else: there are no single women left. Hmm... I have an idea. If I introduce a second RP character, a female one, would you be interested in marrying her? @Arinian We lynched him, but he had 2 lives, so he's still alive for now. Also, I really liked your RP.
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You Know You're a Sanderfan When...
Elenion replied to Shardbearer's topic in General Brandon Discussion
When there's a grass fire by the freeway that knocks out all the power and puts smoke everywhere, and you think the result looks like something out of the Final Empire. -
Additionally: When someone mentions Adolin around Maxal. When someone mentions Edge of the Empire around Elenion. When someone says "don't eat the cookies" around the Dark Alley. When someone posts a new Hemalurgy WoB on the Shard.
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Vin. Where she grew up, she didn't need toilets. Who would attempt to beat up the school bully first, Denth or Hrathen?
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@Drake MarshallIt wasn't you who gave me the wrong idea: I had sent Senid a PM asking who I needed to kill, and he misread it and answered that I needed to eliminate the Cabal.
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Being Boring is, well, boring. Len
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Pancakes may not grow on trees, but I'm ready to farm some! XD Amarthion wandered amongst the stars, a god among other gods. Unfortunately for him, this god among gods was single. Very single. Not one person had responded to his posters that he had placed, and that disappointed him greatly. It almost made him lose faith in godkind. So Amarthion had gone wandering among the stars, looking for some way to pass the time. He was sick and tired of watching Bob the Omnipotent (Ecth) and Bri (BR) flirt. He was just thinking about them (and maybe talking to himself a little bit) when he became conscious of a pair of eyes glaring at him from the darkness. He met their gaze, and faintly made out the outline of Qwertyuiop before it released a black, choking fog that smelled of sulfur. The fog caught him off guard and made him choke once, but Amarthion was lonely, and a cosmic fart wasn't going to deter him. "Lousy day, isn't it? There doesn't seem to be a marriageable woman in this entire dimension. You'd think that, being gods, we'd at least have a fertility goddess or goddess of love or something." Quertyuiop didn't respond. Amarthion tried again. "What is it with this gender imbalance among us anyway? Did Adonalsium's workplace have a glass ceiling? *he laughed at his own poor attempt at humor* Sure must have been a lonely place." Amarthion gave up and sat down, conjuring a few rocks for him to skip across the featureless abyss. "Being a god really isn't all it's cracked up to be." (255 words)
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Oh, I thought I had to make sure the Cabal were destroyed too. That makes my win con sound more manageable.
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I've got a few game thoughts: 1. I'm amazed that I made it out alive. I started the game with no info, no items, and the objective of killing over 1/3 of the living players. Luckily I got mostly overlooked, so my win had a lot of luck. 2. Drake, I know I told everyone that I lynched you based on a plot, but I actually did it by accident after retracting the wrong vote. Sorry about that. But I enjoyed the battle of wits while it lasted. 3. Ripple, was it you who kept Roleblocking me? 4. As a fun fact, the entire game I never performed a successful action. 5. Yes, I was actually a Loyal Citizen!
