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Alright. Crackpot theory time. Taln's Honorblade is in the palace. Not inside the place, in it. As in, part of it. What if the thing the Singers are tearing the palace down for at the end of the book is actually the Honorblade? And how did it get in there? Well, by someone who knew how to use it to "melt" stone. Looking at you, Hoid. I know we have a WOB that Hoid didn't switch the blades. That says nothing about hiding it.

The Honorblades were not crafted from spren, but instead directly from pieces of Honor’s soul. And, as has been mentioned, they also had the ability to work the Oathgates. I’ve always interpreted this scene as Dalinar creating a very primitive form of something like an Honorblade. This isn’t directly forcing the Stormfather himself, but since the Stormfather has merged with Honor’s cognitive shadow, it would still have an effect on him. I’ve always taken this scene as foreshadowing for the end of the book and that Dalinar is becoming something a little more than your average Bondsmith.

At the risk of sticking my hand in the flame, I’m gonna comment on this. First, I was rooting for Shaladin and was dissatisfied with the triangle, but after reading a couple of times, I’ve decided to reserve judgement until I see the rest of it play out. My biggest issue is that I felt that Shallan and Kaladin had a genuine, emotional connection in WoR, and I felt that the connection was really reduced into nothing more than a physical attraction. I have since realized that this may be Brandon intentionally doing this, because Shallan is trying to convince herself that she feels nothing more than physical attraction to Kaladin. However, I think that the moment when Kaladin decides to move on is one of the most genuine moments in the whole triangle. I think Kaladin realized his attraction to her is mostly based on her helping him to feel better and cope with his depression, but also realizing that’s not a good basis for a healthy romantic relationship. Shallan, on the other hand, because she has convinced herself she was only physically attracted to Kal, has yet to deal with her emotional connection to him. I’m going to wait and see how that unfolds. I don’t think she’ll get there until she more fully resolves her personas, if she ever gets to that point. But I do also think her choice to be with Adolin was a serious one. And choice is an important aspect too. Whether or not she can stick with it remains to be seen. TL;DR I think Kaladin is over Shallan. I think Shallan will likely need to deal with her emotions for Kaladin at some point, but will likely also stick with Adolin. I don’t see the triangle going much further. For the record, I no longer ship Shaladin and I’m fairly indifferent to Shadolin. I’m really mostly interested in seeing Kaladin and Adolin as friends, so anything that messes with that will probably make me unhappy.

I think another purpose is to show how far the Singers have advanced. If they’ve pushed Sheler all the way to Herdaz, then it seems likely the Singers are occupying most of Alethkar at this point. That probably includes Hearthstone. Poor Lirin and Hesina and Oroden. I don’t know that Kaladin is going to get them out in time.

What if Hesina is an illegitimate child? Perhaps her father and his wife are both lighteyed, but she is the result of an affair with a darkeyed woman. Or, as I think someone hinted at above, perhaps she was taken in and raised by a lighteyed family for some reason, and was not raised by her actual parents. Either of these, I think, might explain why Hesina seems to have been raised in some level of privilege, but also why she was willing/able to run off with a darkeyed surgeon. And also why Brandon always seems to asterisk when talking about her parents.

The timeline is one thing that I didn't research in depth with this. However, I believe Brandon has said repeatedly that Honor's death wasn't an instantaneous thing. I believe that the death or slumbering of an important and powerful spren wouldn't be instantaneous either. Certainly it would take time for the people's perceptions to change enough to drastically change the spren itself, wouldn't it? Decades at least. I don't think centuries is entirely unreasonable. I agree. I'm not sure how Salas and Mishim fit into this. I couldn't really find any lore that referred to them. The best I could find is that the Shin refer to the moons as sisters, and the Stormfather referring to the Sibling in the plural. I like your idea that Nomon's spren was just more elevated. It does seem to be the most prominent moon, in size and in folklore. I don't really think that Ishar is the person depicted in the Urithiru painting, I was just presenting that as a possibility given it's similarity. I do think it's possible, however, that the iconography has changed over time given it's similarity to the end cover we have. An image that once depicted the Bondsmith spren in Urithiru might have been appropriated and, by the time of Dandos the Oilsworth, was a common image to represent the herald Ishar. You make some good points. But even if you disassociate the three murals from the group of ten, there still seems to be a strong connection among the three. Based on what we've seen, the storm cloud is either a depiction of Honor or the Stormfather. The tree woman is either Cultivation or Nightwatcher. I don't think it's a stretch to say that much. So if it is Stormfather and Nightwatcher, logically it makes sense the third is the Sibling. If on the other hand, it's Honor and Cultivation (and honestly, the description of the tree woman matches Cultivation more than it does Nightwatcher), then what is the third? I haven't read Elantris in a long time, but I do remember that quote. You're right. It's very similar. If that's the case, then I don't think it ties in as well with the other two, but maybe it wasn't supposed to. I actually think the best argument against the Bondsmith spren theory is that Shallan notices ten other spren in a group together, which would presumably include the Bondsmith spren already, since otherwise it would have to be nine and the three. But I can also imagine the Radiants including the gloryspren, in addition to the Bondsmith spren, just to avoid the number nine.

This is a valid point. There are plenty of religions that worship a variety of gods, including ones that are less than benevolent. I hadn't thought of that. But is there anything about the depiction itself that you think represents Odium? I still think it's unlikely that the Radiants would portray Odium in a mural in conjunction with spren that are most likely associated with Radiance, rather than Voidbinding. Especially considering they were likely at war with Odium and the Singers at the time the mural was created.

Huh, I thought there'd be more discussion on this. Guess my theory is just 100% correct. But, more seriously, I've been thinking a little more about this. Not to poke holes in my own theory (ok, I'm totally poking holes), but I've been thinking of other possible interpretations of the paintings in Urithiru. One thought I've had (and I'm still not sure it totally fits), is that it really is Ishar in the depiction. Nale believes he's the only one of the Heralds who joined his own order, but what if he's wrong? If so, then maybe Ishar did bond a spren and his idea to betray Taln and the Oathpact may have damaged the Sibling. Or, another possibility, is that the stormcloud and tree woman really are Honor and Cultivation. In which case, what is the third depiction? My thought is that maybe it isn't the moons of Roshar, but instead, a depiction of the Rosharan planets: Braize, Ashyn, Roshar. Seem possible, since we know that Roshar used to be more cosmere-aware. But then who is the man? The only thing I can come up with is some depiction of Adonalsium. Which over time may have later been re-appropriated to depict Ishar. If so, no wonder he thinks he's a god.

Will all Edgedancers please take note that human bowling is not an acceptable activity, particularly when the "pins" are unwilling and unsuspecting. For more information, please visit the IRESERI (Inter-Radiance Ethical Sports Education for Radiant Interrelations). For any Radiant(s) to whom this applies, please observe that food is considered the personal property of the person currently consuming it. For any Radiant(s) to whom this applies, please observe that food is considered the personal property of the person currently already consuming it. For any Radiant(s) to whom this applies, please observe that food is considered the personal property of the person already who was consuming it prior to it being stolen and consumed by another. For any Radiant(s) to whom this applies, please observe that food is Lift, just STOP stealing/eating other people's food.

I have recently been doing some re-reading of the Stormlight Archive, and some new clues stood out to me about the nature of the third Bondsmith spren. So, naturally, I wrote a whole essay about it. Proceed at your own risk! I don't think I've seen this theory discussed before, but my apologies if it has been. (Also, it's late, so I don't promise coherency.) My theory is that The Sibling is a spren that is somehow related to or representative of the moons of Roshar, particularly Nomon. Further, I think the destruction of New Natanan and the Shattered Plains may have been what harmed The Sibling and caused it to “slumber.” Still reading? Ok, here’s why I think these things: The main basis for this theory comes from the scene in which Shallan, Adolin, and Bridge Four confront the Midnight Mother. During that confrontation, Shallan notes the artwork: This seems to be a depiction of all the spren that are capable of forming bonds with Radiants. That means that the first three spren Shallan describe are actually depictions of the Bondsmith spren. So we have a cloud of energy; that seems to obviously be the Stormfather. We have a woman in the shape of the tree; this could be the Nightwatcher. That leaves us with a man hovering before a blue disc. This description is uncannily similar to the end paper art we have of Ishar. (Here) You’ll note that the discs in the background definitely look like the three moons of Roshar, with the smaller Salas and Mishim on either side of Nomon. So, why is there a picture of Ishar and the moons next to depictions of the Radiant spren? My thought is that the moons must somehow be related to The Sibling. (Of course, the other argument is that these are not depictions of the Bondsmith spren, but actually of Honor and Cultivation. But does that make Ishar some secret shard? Did people view him as on a level equal to Honor and Cultivation? He does seem pretty insistent that he is a god right now. But still, I’m going to stick with the Bondsmith spren depiction idea for now.) Additional support for the idea that the moons are related to the third Bondsmith spren: I find it interesting that the Stormfather always refers to this sibling in the plural. This could be purely to obscure the gender. Or it could be because the spren represents multiple things, rather like a collective noun. In this case, we have a spren that represents the moon, and Roshar just so happens to have three of them. And further, it’s understandable why the Stormfather refers to this spren as his sibling, but why does everybody else seem to call it The Sibling? Sibling to what? In the epigraphs, even a former Radiant, who should have more knowledge about who/what the third spren is, refers to it as the Sibling, as if that’s the only name it goes by. If it’s just because it’s the sibling Bondsmith spren, then why do Radiants refer to the Stormfather by his unique name, but not the Sibling? I find it interesting that the Shin refer to the moons as the three sisters. And Wit, in his story of Nomon, refers to the relationships among the moons as siblings. Speaking of that story that Wit told (and Sigzil attempted to tell, unsuccessfully) If my theory is in any way right, and if there is any truth at all in Wit’s story, then it brings some interesting implications about the relationship between Nomon’s spren and the Natanatan people, maybe even giving a clue as to what happened to the Sibling. The story tells about how Mishim traded places with Tsa, a mortal, and Tsa conceived a child with Nomon. We know that the story alludes to the fact that Natanatans had Aimian blood in them. But I think it may also be a hint about the Sibling (assuming I’m right about the connection with Nomon). Interestingly, this story is the only other mention of siblings, besides the Sibling in Oathbringer. Also, purely coincidentally I’m sure, I find it interesting that the epigraphs about the Sibling begin in the chapter following Wit’s story. The story clearly establishes a connection between the people of Natanatan and Nomon. This could also imply that there’s a connection between the people of Natanatan and the Sibling. Perhaps the Sibling even originated or lived in Natanatan. Before I go any further, let’s go back to those epigraphs for a second. In them, the Elsecaller who is recording the memory seems to believe that the Sibling is withdrawing from the Radiants, not because it intended to or because the Radiants are no longer worthy, but because the cognitive reflection has changed. In other words, people are thinking about the Sibling differently, and so the Sibling has itself changed. We know that the kingdom of Natanatan was destroyed, and the Shattered Plains (once Stormseat, the capital of Natanatan) was, well, shattered. Perhaps it was this shattering and the loss of Natanatan that caused the harm to the Sibling, which caused it to withdraw. Perhaps because the people were no longer there, they were no longer thinking of the Sibling, causing it to “slumber.” Also, Wit ends his story with, Perhaps this is a reflection, again, of what happened to the Sibling. It learned of loss, somehow. The loss of Natanatan? Other Interesting Tidbits: In Way of Kings, Dalinar refers to Natanatan as the Granite Kingdom. I don’t really know if this is relevant, but stone is important on Roshar. Additionally, they were a people apparently known for building towers. Again, I think this strengthens the idea that the people of Natanatan were perhaps involved in the creation of the tower in Urithiru and also had some connection to the Sibling, which we suspect powers Urithiru. And, I find it curious that Oathbringer mentions that New Natanan was working with Dalinar, but we hear literally nothing about them: This seems fishy to me. I think those New Natanans are going to become important. And lastly, we have this little bit from an interlude, which has some interesting mythology surround the people of Natanatan. Well, the night is darkest is just before the rising of Nomon. Also, an Everstorm really helps to make things dark. Perhaps we need the people of New Natanatan to come back, to restore the Sibling and thus restore the tower. And this lengthy essay doesn’t even begin to get into possible connections with Aimia. Or what on earth Roshar Ishar is doing in that depiction of the moons in Urithiru. And, is there any significance to the son Tsa had, the son born to be a god?

I think it'd be a better comparison if you could find an example of a silent "g" that is at the beginning of a syllable, similar to Taravangian. I didn't succeed. The closest I could come up with was "sign," "assign," etc. So I'm back to thinking I really don't have an excuse... But what I'd like to know is how people pronounce Adolin. My friend and I pronounce it differently. She pronounces it with a short "a" sound and I pronounce it with a long "a" sound.

I pronounce Taravangian with a silent g for some inexplicable reason. Honestly, it was probably just easier. So, tara-VAWN-ee-un.

What! I didn't realize we had confirmation that Tien was a proto-Lightweaver. I've suspected it for a long time, but nice to have confirmation. I agree with Calderis about the truths, more than the secrets. Tien may simply have accepted that he would never be a surgeon or that he would never be as favored as Kaladin. After all, Lirin and Hesina took some pretty big risks to give Kaladin a future outside of Hearthstone, but they didn't for Tien. He may just have accepted that nobody else would appreciate beauty the way he did. I'm thinking of the conversation between Kaladin and Tien, where Tien said it wasn't a big deal that nobody recognized his talent, he'd just make a "practical chair" tomorrow. Those all sound depressing. On the other hand, he may have recognized that he had a talent for creating art and beauty, which no one else did. And still probably wouldn't appreciate. But, to go along with MountainKing, we do know that Cryptics are attracted to lies. Elhokar is a fascinating lie: a man trying to portray himself as (and trying to be) a great king, when really he isn't. It's easy to see why a Cryptic would be drawn to that. Art itself is a form of a lie, a wooden carving of a horse is really a bit of wood pretending to look like a horse. So it could just be that. Or perhaps, like Shallan, Tien's ability to see beauty was more of a forced way to be positive and optimistic in the face of unhappiness.

Actually a short conversation between Dalinar and Kaladin in OB makes me think Kaladin did tell Dalinar about his involvement with the assassination plot and Moash. Dalinar has no reason to think Kaladin has problems with Elhokar unless he knows about the whole Moash/Elhokar thing.

I still think, thanks to the epigraph: that it is something a little more utilitarian than simply allowing others to protect him or protect themselves. My new thought is "I will let go of/leave behind those I cannot save." Like in the highstorm scene early in the book, Kaladin is forced to leave behind many, since he could only save a small number. But he was angry over the ones he had to leave behind. In the Shadesmar scene, it would have meant leaving Adolin behind.

I have always interpreted this as another hospital victim who has figured out what T's crew are doing. I agree that this doesn't refer to the humans conquering from Roshar. For one, humans don't typically refer to their homes as dens. But do the Singers? Actually, I think the characters most likely to refer to their homes as dens are the Sleepless. And we know they did something they want to be redeemed from, from the cover of WoK. This is interesting, because if it really refers to the battle at Thaylenah, then it shows that the Rattles can be (at least slightly) inaccurate, since Ash and Taln didn't really do anything, Malata was MIA, and Venli too wasn't really part of the fight against the Singers/Fused. As others have said, I'm pretty sure this is Kaladin. We know the tower and crown are part of the Kholin banner. If Kaladin were to start his own has underneath the Kholin banner, it makes a lot of sense that the spear would be Kaladin's personalization. Nobody else is as symbolized by the spear as Kaladin is. Unfortunately, I've always taken this as the strongest evidence that Kaladin will die. Since a banner often falls when that leader dies. I think this refers to Elhokar's death, actually, since his journey ended in the midst of swearing the first ideal. — Collected on Tanatanev 1173, 18 seconds pre-death, by the Silent Gatherers. Subject was a darkeyed mother of four in her sixty-second year.[37] Refers to Kaladin saving the king from Moash during the storm. I am forced to disagree with this interpretation. While it could be argued that Moash saved Kaladin's life, the description "the one who killed my promises" seems to not fit Elkohar very well. Kaladin also does not raise his hand until after the Stormfather and Syl have a minor disagreement. I personally feel that this fits Dalinar much better, as he is the one most likely to be able to make a storm respond by raising his hand. Also, the "All is withdrawn for me" section seems more inline with an Ascended Dalinar than Kaladin defending Elkohar. I agree with the Coppermind on this one. Every part of this statement occurs in that scene. Syl--and thus stormlight--have been withdrawn from Kal because of his failure to keep the oaths. Kaladin often refers to Bridge Four, and thus Moash, as having saved his life. Kaladin literally raises his hand in the scene, and gets Syl--and thus stormlight, which Kaladin often refers to as a personal storm--back. The hardest part to fit is the one who killed my promises, but considering the chapter heading where Kaladin learns of Elhokar's role in the Roshone affair--is titled "the one who kills promises (as Stormlightning mentions), I think it is pretty clear that it refers to Elhokar.

I'm gonna preface this with, I don't like the idea of Jasnah and Kaladin together, for many of the reasons that have already been stated: Jasnah doesn't seem interested in, or need, a romance, she's older than Kal, etc. I do think they are a good match politically on some level. Kaladin is even more influential right now than he realizes, and he could capitalize on that influence if he wanted to. On the other hand, there's something to be said for not having all of the leadership of the Radiants also tied to Alethi politics. If Kaladin became part of the Kholin family, then fully half of the Radiant orders would be led by Kholins. Dalinar's coalition is fragile enough as is, without everybody viewing the Radiants as being almost solely represented by the Alethi elite. Additionally, while there's something to be said for opposites attract, I'm not sure Kaladin would ever be ok with how coolly Jasnah can have someone assassinated, or do the assassinating herself (including her own family members!), as well as some of her other utilitarian views. And I'm sure Jasnah would constantly be annoyed with Kaladin's idealism. But, to play devil's advocate a little bit: I don't think I've seen anyone mention this yet, and I've been waiting to bring it up. Here's the exchange between them during the council meeting: Really? The smartest woman in the world, and the only thing she can do here is start throwing insults? I don't think there's anywhere else in any of the books where we see Jasnah resort to insulting instead of a barrage of logic (except perhaps with Amaram). Either something about Kaladin really unsettles Jasnah, or some part of her deep down doesn't agree with her own arguments. Either way, I am looking forward to their interactions. I think how to handle the regular parshmen/singers is going to be a big conflict of the next books, and it looks like Jasnah and Kaladin are going to be on opposite sides of that argument. Maybe they can temper each other's views a little bit. Plus, so far we've seen Jasnah easily intimidate other characters with her intelligence, arguments, etc. And I see Kaladin as someone who just refuses to be intimidated by anyone. It'll be interesting to see how Jasnah handles that.

To Torol Sadeas, great lover of women, even to those who don’t want him.

Just came across this one, from one of Taravangian's early conversations with Dalinar: Huh. Thaylenah. Who knew? Mr T and that diagram, at it again.

I've seen a few posts with oaths such as "I cannot protect everyone" or "I will let others protect themselves." I like the ideas these contain. It's a legitimate struggle that Kaladin has. But my problem is that these are oaths that Kaladin automatically has to live. He can't physically protect everyone. Whether he likes it or not, Kaladin will have to let some people go. That's not really a choice that Kaladin will have to make to live the oath. It would be a choice to accept that he can't protect everybody and not let it eat at him, which would lead to a more mentally healthy and happy Kaladin. But I'm not convinced these oaths are about mentally healthy and happy Radiants. Really, they seem to be about aligning yourself so much with an ideal that you become more and more like a spren—an embodiment of an idea. And we've already seen that there are some serious problems with these ideals and their interpretation.

@shawnhargreaves I just reread the section where Tien dies. The only thing I noticed was this: So Tien was killed by an armored lighteyes, rather than just another spearman. Otherwise, there's nothing really fishy, other than these three messenger boys were separated from the rest of their group and set at the front by Varth. As a sidenote, in rereading this scene, I noticed that Kaladin mentions not having felt any pain at being stabbed by a spear. Could just be coincidence and being overwhelmed by the battle, but it also could be a very early indication of Kal's bond. @Willow I hadn't considered Hoid. Maybe. But in that case, everybody in our main cast has known multiple lightweavers. That wouldn't really be specific to Kaladin. Good point about the other spren types being much more organized. @The One Who Connects But, if I recall, Brandon has also pointed out that there's a difference between a surgebinder and a Knight Radiant, as the first is about ability and the second is a social construct. I could be reaching here, but I don't think not knowing another Knight Radiant excludes not knowing another surgebinder of the Lightweaver variety.

I've seen a couple of comments about Tien being a possible radiant. Rather than taking over threads, I wanted to start a new one. I always thought the idea that Tien was a radiant was a bit of a long shot, but it was an idea that I liked. After Oathbringer, however, the evidence seems to be mounting. Syl, talking about remembering Hearthstone: And then the Ghostbloods confirming that someone in Amaram's army was a radiant and was eliminated: And then this WoB I just found. (The arcanum is a beautiful thing!) But my questions are these: Was Tien aware that he had bonded a spren? If he was advanced enough for the Skybreakers to know of him, it seems likely. What broke him? Did Syl find Kaladin because he was near another Radiant? Kaladin has always seemed to be the odd man out (aka, not a Kholin and not in the middle of the action). If Tien really did bond a spren, then he would have been an early Radiant, bonding his spren around the time Jasnah became aware of Ivory. (I could be off on this, I don't remember the timelines exactly.) I guess that's not a question, I just find it interesting. Thoughts?

There’s always a loophole!

I agree with Starla about the parallels between Moash and Kaladin being less about advantages Kaladin may or may not have had, and more about the fundamental differences between the two characters. Yes, Kaladin had help from Syl. But as Starla pointed out, Kaladin was the kind of person who could attract Syl. Also, Moash had plenty of support: from Kaladin and Bridge Four. But he rejected them; he decided vengeance was more important to him than his friends. I'm having a hard time imagining anything Kaladin would value above Bridge Four. But, guess we'll see what that Fourth Ideal brings! It looks to me like Kaladin and Moash are very much being set up as the championship battle. Moash is a likely candidate for Odium's champion, having already killed a king and a god. The biggest argument I see going against this is that Moash just doesn't really compare to Odium's first pick as champion. Even as a natural fighter, he's a far cry from the Blackthorn. Is there somebody we haven't been introduced to yet that could compare to Dalinar? I've thought for a long time that Kaladin would end up being Honor's champion. To me, he is the character most closely aligned with Honor. And we know from Mistborn that that matters. It's no coincidence that Kaladin attracted the only Honorspren who was willing to break the rules and bond with someone. And we learned, in OB, just how much Dalinar has been drenched in Odium, despite currently holding what's left of Honor. And Kaladin does seem to be the best fighter, now that Dalinar is getting older. What I'm deathly afraid of, though, with that duel likely coming at the end of book 5, is that Kaladin—after having failed so many times and constantly worrying about failing—actually fails in that duel, leading to whatever happens in the back 5. It would be so poetically tragic. Oh, as additional support for the death rattle being about the scene with Moash, Kaladin, and Elhokar in WoR: for the scene where Dalinar tells Kaladin about what happened between Elhokar and Roshone, the chapter title is called "The One Who Kills Promises." That's pretty definitive, imo, that Elhokar is the one who killed promises, and the death rattle refers to that scene in WoR. What will be interesting is if that flips, and Moash becomes the one who kills promises.

This. I understand that Kaladin needed to step back, but not only did he take a step back, he really just became a supporting character, which was disappointing as has always been such a strong character and able to carry off some really incredible plot lines. I feel his role can be summed up as chauffeur extradorinaire and brooding male hunk. And where WoK and WoR really shined for me was character development, conflict between characters, and character relationships. In Way of Kings, all three mains get strong storylines with growth and development. Shallan goes from wide-eyed and intimidated by Jasnah to being able to question her mentor and somewhat hold her own. Dalinar goes from questioning his sanity and his place in the world to being confident in his values and decisions. Kaladin goes from broken slave to capable leader. And you get so many interesting character conflicts that build relationships. Adolin and Dalinar, Shallan questioning Jasnah’s actions, Kaladin working so hard to build a relationship with Bridge Four. These all bring so many powerful and poignant moments. I feel like many opportunities for similar moments were skipped in OB, because they are all so focused on the Big Bad. We don’t get the conflict with Shallan and Kaladin over her brother. Dalinar’s reaction to adolin’s murder is barely a blip on the radar. We don’t see Kaladin’s reaction to Amaram as highprince or to Lopen’s two arms. Or to Szeth as Dalinar’s body guard: excuse me, didn’t I stop you from killing him a few weeks back? Kaladin doesn’t have any interaction with Teft over his addiction or with Rlain about what he is feeling (which would have been a meaningful way to explore Kaladin’s main struggle in OB). Or Dalinar to Szeth? You killed my brother a few years back, but it’s cool. And despite all the focus on the triangle, there just wasn’t enough relationship building for either Shalladin or Shadolin, so I’m just not sold on either of those. The scene with Kaladin’s parents was beautiful, but then it was just dropped: glad you are alive, don’t die in the voidbringer invasion, bye! I would have loved to have seen Kaladin and Lirin coming to a new understanding about each other, especially since that was such a huge focus of WoK for Kaladin. Fingers crossed that I’ll still get to see this. Anyway, I could go on and on with this list. I just wish, in 1200 pages, we had taken some time to stop and smell the roses instead of rushing through. Ok, attempting to get off my soapbox. I gave a 7/10. It’s a great book (yes, there were plenty of things that I liked, promise!) but it just doesn’t have the emotional payoff that WoK and WoR did for me.