Treamayne

Well, we already knew the Singers felt betrayed because Spren started forming Nahel Bonds with Humans (not the same bond Singers have with spren in their gemhearts, but similar). I always took "Stone and Wind" to be Honor and Cultivation - Honor in the Highstorms (Wind), Cultivation in the Land (stone) since it is implied that The Singers originally worshipped H&C when Odium followed humanity to Roshar; but when Humans started following Honor and Cultivation, the Singers started following Odium. . .

Keep in mind the Metalminds need skin contact, so his bullets would have to be filled before he loaded the them. To do so during a fight, he would have ot have some way to carry them where he maintains skin contact to fill at the beginning of the fight, then use them only for the reloads. . .

Don't forget that not all Radiants to renounce Oaths during the Recreance were of the Third Oath or had the ability to Manifest a Blade (or Plate if Fourth Oath). So we still don't know exactly how that plays out with being a Deadeye (or not); since we do know that Syl did not manifest as a dead blade when Oaths with Kaladin were broken). There has been quite a bit of discussion about these ideas in this thread. Here's the relevant English Passage: Sadeas' murder kinda disproves this. "Oh, a wealthy Shardbearer is dead. . ." but Dalinar has to ask Bridge Four to search for the missing blade and AFAWK nobody else much cares (we certainly don't see squads of Sadeas Soldiers searching for it). I'm not saying that your scenario won't happen; just that apathy or "assumed stolen" are equally likely results of a dead/missing Shardbearer. Have we confirmed that for a blade that has manifested in the Physical Realm, the Deadeye disappears from the Cognitive Realm? If yes, this this could explain the small number of Deadeyes as lost blades are trapped in the PR, so the Deadeye is "missing" If no, then I wonder if it is possible to break your bond with a blade without manifesting it first (we see then manifest and break the bond so that the Gem flashes - but is that the only way?); cause I can see people breaking the bond without manifesting the blade to prevent the "enemy" from gaining the blade.

It's likely that Odium also influenced the Hierocracy (just looking at how/why that happened)

Words of Brandon (WoB) on Unity We also know that after calling himself "Unity" Dalinar was able to temporarily reform Honor's Perpendicularity, and that the statement was "Accepted" as a Bondsmith Oath by Stormfather. See below (in answer to the question) for my thoughts on this. Your wording (especially the bolded part) is a bit suspect. Dawnshard Ch 19 They are never called weapons, or even remnants of weapons. In fact, the implication seems to be that they are not a "weapon" in any traditional sense. We only know that they were part of whatever happened to Adonalsium. Also, keep in mind this is an unreliable narrator. We know Nikli was not alive for the Shattering; we don't even know if any Sleepless in the Cosmere is that old. . . so what role the Dawnshards may have played in the Shattering is very suspect. I doubt it. The context of the event, and its aftermath, makes it rather doubtful that Dalinar had/has either a Shard or Dawnshard. After all, we've had viewpoints from Dalinar since this event and he never noticed the same things Rysn did less than a day after her experience. (Warbreaker Spoilers) So, knowing Rayse's response, we know: He Splintered (or at least wounded shy of splintering) Ambition and that the fight happened in the Threnody system, but she finally Splintered elsewhere He Splintered Dominion and Devotion on Sel (and their power is stuck in the CR) He Splintered Honor in the Rosharan system, but was bound during the confrontation and remains "stuck" there So, his outburst of “No, we killed you. WE KILLED YOU!” (OB Ch 119 - see below), and his use of the plural "We" likely means either the Shard and its vessel (we) Splintering Honor; or possibly refer to the group (we) from the Shattering (and it's effects). But without further information, it could be something entirely different. Either way, it seems doubtful that Unity refers to a Shard or Dawnshard. Welcome to the Forums. Post seems fine, though you may want to consider adding links to relevant Coppermind pages and WoBs.

There's always another secret

Are Scadrian's even aware that invested metal is more difficult to push? During TFE, they still had metalminds pierce the body to prevent pushes. Also, Marsh has no problems pushing Sazed's rings in WoA, so the amount of charge in a metalmind that small doesn't seem like enough to make much difference

And after that, because he realized that all of the witnesses could be influenced by Amaram, he went to the trouble of bonding (what he thought was) Taln's blade, then setting up the sting operation to test Amaram's loyalty about searching out the shardblades. But yes, he should have kept Kal in the loop of the investigation and its stages.

AFAIK, that's just called Yolish Magic

You'll get that info in a future interlude in this book

WoB - Voidbinding

Did you mean "Predates the Recreance" or "Predates the Last Desolation?" We know the "Old Magic" comes from Cultivation's Avatar Nightwatcher - which means it could not predate the Shattering. Speaking of Old Magic, I wonder if the Curse is required to make the cracks the Boon can fill in order o invest the supplicant. Roshrans always say "One boon and One curse" but maybe it's more correct to say "One Curse to provide One Boon." Unless you are referencing some other old magic - since there were forms of investiture that do predate the shattering.

In no particular order: Sazed Sixth of the Dusk Galladon Silence Forescout Montane Szeth Hmm.... Looking at that list, maybe I just like "S" names? Baon, Raoden, and TenSoon are honorable mentions, but not quite in the top five for me.

Gavilar hit Szeth once, and not with his Shardblade (so Szeth was healing). I'm not sure I would call that coming close to winning. Granted, he did deal with the lashings better than almost everybody else we saw that fought Szeth, but there is also no guarantee that had Dalinar been there (and sober) he would have had his plate too. After all, Sadeas was there (and ran) but didn't have his Plate. I wouldn't say that Dalinar and Gavilar, both with plate and blade, would not have a chance; but I still think it would be unlikely (though the odds are probably better than the nameless Veden Shardbearers - who also had to deal with a room full of Nobles used against them as distractions and impediments).

So, what we really need is for brandon to answer "Can Wit eat Chouta?"

One issue here is that we only get to see this conversation from Kal's perspective, I have the feeling that had this conversation taken place during a Dalinar Viewpoint, it would work quite differently. More importantly, Kal is still thinking like a Soldier, not an Officer or Leader. You can see in Kal's reaction that he really is focused only on his own bias. He seems to want Dalinar to simply accept everything without any investigation, but if he was thinking like an Officer at all he would realize that an investigation is required (no matter the eye color of either party - after all didn't he want fair treatment and an invesigation when Elhokar unfairly imprisoned him). I do agree that Dalinar should have explicitly said he would investigate (rather than just "I'll speak to Amaram") What I found most telling about the first two books is how the Alethi never notice thier own hypocrisy (and nobody points it out) about how they talk disgracefully about Radiants, knowing that: - Blades and Plate came from the Radiants - Bonding a Blade will make a darkeyes lighteyed Especially after Dalinar's visions (Feverstone keep in particular), but they somehow rationalize that even though Radiants are "bad" being lighteyed is "good". . . Yes, the bigotry is thick in the first two books (esp. WoR); but I think it was important or there could be no contrast as we start to see changes after finding Urithiru. And while some of the treatment Kaladin and Bridge Four receives is bigotted, I don't think it is quite as bad as Kal's perception of it.

This. I know a negative does not equal proof, but this WoB points to the Spren relationship/Nahel Bond (rather than simply being invested): So, if Adolin didn't hear screams because he was not on the path to a Nahel Bond; that implies it is the presence of a Nahel Bond that allows/causes somebody to hear the Deadeye screams.

If anything, it may have been easier for TLR. It is implied that "more spikes" means "easier and more complete control" (why Koloss were easier to "grab" than Kandra); but that would be offset by having copper to prevent anybody from taking control unless they had augmented brass/zinc to push past the copper immunity. I doubt even an inquisitor's copper would block TLR's soothing or rioting.

Don't forget that Perception and Intent are very important to most forms of investiture So, not only might a powerful soothing fail to control a OreSeur if it was not meant to do so; TLR may have actively been tryig to not control any nearby Kandra. After all, he would want to preserve their secret and it doesn't help if a dozen or score of your spies go catatonic (awaiting control) in a crowd during the "punishmet in the square" because you happen to be throwing a strong mass soothing on the crowd. I always took that to mean "They are loyal so that they aren't directly controlled"

Yes, as far as we've seen all access to the Dor on the Physical Realm results in a glow: Forgery and Bloodsealing don't appear to show the same effect; probably because the stamp is the only part in the Physical Realm, and the Dor is directed to affect the Spiritweb instead.

Which description are you referencing? The only descriptions of Edwarn in AoL that I know of are:

Well, we also have to consider that a Shard's vessel influences the Shard to some extent, at least early on. Eventually the vessel will be subsumed by the Shard's intent. I doubt there was much of Ati left by the time Ruin was working toward ending Scadrial I try to avoid the "Preservation = Good; Ruin = Evil" thought process because I don't think Shardic intents are inherently good or bad - like any tool it is how they are (ab)used. I do think, however, that Sazed has the potential to be better than Leras/Ati - if only because by holding two Shards, he has the potential to lean toward the intent that has the best result for Scadrial (and so far, his actions seem to be for the benefit of Scarial if not for the benefit of the people being manipulated). For that reason alone, I doubt Harmony would ever end up as Ati was after being released from the well.

I can see what you are saying, but I don't come to the same conclusion as you have made. But I concur that we don't know enough to make informed deductions; we can only theorize based on the information we do have. We know: Leras needed to sacrifice part of his power to make sapient humans on Scadrial Rashek created a previously unknown non-sapient species (mistwraiths) from the living Feruchemists when he had the power of the well He also devised a way to return sapience to the First Generation with Hemalurgy Rashek adapted human physiology to live with the ash Sazed needed guidelines (from the religious writings) to return human physiology to its pre-ash state Sazed was able to restore non-sapient species based on his writings and knowledge To me, this means that, in theory, Mistwraiths/Kandra that were previously human might have been returned to their former state. However Mistwraiths/Kandra that had never been human would have needed "more" to become sapient humans (or even a sapient non-human species) without Hemalurgy. Further, we don't know that he didn't return humanity to the First Generation, since we don't really know what happened to the first and second generation after HoA, but before AoL. It would seem that making/adjusting a sapient species is harder/requires more power that simply making non-sapient animal and plant life. Maybe he could have made the Kandra a sapient species by sacrificing more of Preservation's power; but that would have left him imbalanced (further imbalanced?) between his Ruin and Preservation halves. Maybe he did do such a thing, and the remaining Kandra are the ones who chose to remain as they had always been. Short of RAFO or a WoB, I don't think we can ever know; and without knowing the fate of the Firsts and Seconds*, it is hard to reach any definitive conclusions. I have no problems with your conclusions. Until I learn otherwise, though, my head-canon is that the Firsts were returned to humanity to help rebuild the Terris population; but Kandra who had not previously been human could not be offered Sapience-without-Hemalurgy without endangering the balance of Harmony. *Note: Though I really hope KanPaar lived the rest of a really short life as a mindless mistwraith

Also (at least from what we currenlty know) supressing the divine breath is, well, surpressing the expressions of that breath's effects in the physical realm (senses, etc). Agelessness would be an effect in the spiritual realm expressed on the spirit web. We also know that the health and agelessness benefits are not a "line in the sand" but a gradual build-up to a theoretical maximum benefit (as explained in the Ars Arcanum - note four): Dawnshard Spoilers: