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This has been brought up before. Brandon was asked about it here. The shardworlds do share a linguistic origin.

It's explained in the quote in the OP.

Thank you, Aether, I just incorporated a lot of your comments. There are some things I didn't do, such as un-capitalizing "Invasion" because it is an article on the coppermind, and most of the time it is because I'm going off what is in the book (as with the "five or six building") or WoB (the Elantris effect). Any other comments are more than welcome, either by you Aether or any other members.

So a thought has occurred to me. Many of us who work on the wiki like to work on articles, especially long or involved ones, in our user pages and then transfer them over to their actual pages when we are done. And I for one generally go through a "I want outside input on this before I move this" close to the end of my process. It isn't always obvious though when someone like me wants outside opinions on something. And so the idea of this thread came to me. In this thread we can post when an article is close to being finished but you just want someone else's eyes to go over it. I will try to update this post with links to all of the user pages people want looked at. Hopefully someone else thinks this is a good idea as well. While comments can be discussed in this thread, I think the ideal place would be in the respective page's talk page. That way this thread doesn't get cluttered and comments don't get missed. Pages in need of critique: Kaladin - cem

Of the thirty magic systems on Roshar ten are part of surgebinding, ten are part of voidbinding, and the last ten involve fabrials in some way. We also know that all the surges can be replicated by fabrials. As for the Parshendi only having ten forms:

Honor and Cultivation came to Roshar together. The supercontinent is the only continent, not that there is nothing out there. Three, unless you count all of them being there as part of Adonalsium.

Well if he refers to it as the "mists of densities" I can't help but think of Scadrial. I agree though that Vibrance is most likely Nalthis. The remaining two, I'm inclined to think are Ashyn and Braize.

Here is the quote in question: (source)

It's a thought, but I am definitely of the opinion that Adonalsium-invested spren are not involved in Surgebinding. Although it is possible they offered some guidance to the "younger" Honor/Cultivation-invested spren I don't think they were the Dawnsingers. I don't really have any firm thoughts on the source of the Heralds' powers. It is possible they have splinters of Honor and/or Cultivation. I know there is a theory on the boards about how their powers were a result of their honorblades, which could be splinters. The side theory thing I mention in the OP though is that instead of being bonded to splinters, they were Nahel bonded to the Shard itself. How exactly that would work, I don't know. But since the Nahel Bond does go both ways, the Heralds breaking it could have contributed to Honor's death, not directly but rather creating circumstances where it could happen (There is a WoB about how the Heralds abandoning their jobs was only tangentially related to Honor's death? or something like that) Actually in a later post discussing the theory lunarubato proposes the idea that the "dawn-" prefix connotes a relation to Honor/Almighty, simliar to how the "void-" prefix seems to connote a relation to Odium. Personally I'm more inclined to believe that since all of the words with the "dawn-" prefix are "modern" terms it simply signifies "this thing is really old, from before the 'dawn' of our recorded history". Dawnsingers being the Parshendi is a good idea. If I didn't support this theory, I would probably support that. I am aware of the distinction between Surgebinders and the Knights Radiant. However, it is conceivable that in his visions Honor is using words that the receivers would understand. Surgebinding is practically unheard of in modern Roshar, however everyone knows of the Radiants. Since Honor dies post-Recreance and has (admittedly poor, but still existent) future-sight, he could be aware of this fact and has adjusted his language accordingly. Or the part of my theory about the origin of Surgebinding is wrong, and Honor and/or Cultivation planned from the beginning for these spren to grant Surgebinding. Either way I think the main part of my theory (radiant bonding spren being the Dawnsingers) could still stand. Although, this does prompt a new line of thought... Perhaps it was the spren (according to this theory, the Dawnsingers) that took the Way of Kings and used it to form the Knights Radiant. That would account for Honor's "surprise".

I did get a chuckle from her incoherent screaming.

Thanks for sharing, but someone already started a thread about it. http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/5067-prologue-chapters-1-2-from-tor/

So a few months ago lunarubato over on tumblr posted a theory, and although I disagreed with it, it did spark a theory of my own and I'm finally sharing it with y'all. Thesis: The Dawnsingers are the spren that grant surgebinding abilities through the Nahel Bond. Article One: What are the Dawnsingers? We don't really know, due to lack of information. The following, from Chapter 45, is one of the only bits we have: Now I must admit, I was always rather skeptical about them being spren, because I thought Rosharans might just refer to beings they don't really understand as "spren" even if that's not really what they are. But now I am arguing that they are spren, specifically spren who are Splinters of Honor and/or Cultivation. Personally, I think it would make a lot of sense for the two of them to create beings to act as "intermediaries" so-to-speak, beings that can interact with humans on their own level. Where the Heralds take care of things during the Desolations, these spren would take care of things between Desolations. Article Two: Granting Surgebinding Part of my narrative for this theory is that as the Desolations the Dawnsingers saw how the Heralds were not enough, that humanity was losing. And so they started to Nahel bond "worthy" individuals, granting them surgebinding abilities. Part of this comes from this bit. Which unfortunately is somewhat apocryphal. Basically it mentions that the radiants were a surprise to Honor, and that the spren formed them in the same way he formed the Heralds. (On a side note, so perhaps the heralds are Nahel bonded to the shards themselves in some way?) This could all be just rampant theorycrafting, but I think it holds water. What do you all think? Edit (1): Here is the quote in question about the Radiants being a surprise, from Chapter 4 of Words of Radiance: So I'm not really sure how I want to interpret this quote. I could definitely see it supporting my above theory though. Or perhaps the theory I mention in post 4 about how the spren used The Way of Kings as a model to form the Radiant Orders, and that that is why Honor was surprised. Really, either one would work with the main part of this Theory.

Liar of Partinel and its sequel take place pre-Shattering but the "main" part of the Dragonsteel series take place hundreds of years later (there is some confusion on whether Liar and its sequel count toward the 7 books of the Dragonsteel series, or are counted separately).

Actually its canonicity would depend on what part of the book the character is in because some parts of it are still "canon". If the Dragon is part of the Shattered Plains arc then yes, it isn't canon. If he is part of Hoid's arc, it could be canon. (source)

The problem I see is that all native Scadrians have investiture from Ruin and Preservation, with an excess of the later, so it wouldn't be unique to the Terris peoples? Also the genes for allomancy do not seem to be extant in the Terris genepool. Hemalurgy was widely practiced, if not entirely understood, prior to the Ascension of the Lord Ruler so if it was partially responsible for the development of feruchemy, feruchemy would be more widespread. Feruchemists still have more Preservation than Ruin, as opposed to a balance between the two, otherwise they would not be sentient. My personal theory is that it has to do with the fact that Classical Terris was the location for both of the shardpools. Edit: @Power, The Well of Ascension does not contain part of Ruin, it is wholly of Preservation. I guess it could be said that it acted as the "lock" on Ruin's prison, but it itself does not contain Ruin.

I don't think there is a "fourth art" since it would ruin the symmetry that currently exists, a symmetry that exists because of the perfect dichotomy between the two shards. We have a magic of Preservation, a magic of Ruin, and a magic that is the balance between the two, where would a fourth fit in? I don't think the mechanical ways of accessing would count as a new system since Brandon has said its just a mechanical instead of genetic way of accessing the systems. If they were a different system he would have said it differently. As Aether pointed out, just because aluminum has special powers doesn't mean those powers are part of a fourth art. We have seen a number of manifestations of investiture that aren't a part of a specific system (such as the boons/curses of the Nightwatcher).

Here is a bit of clarification about that quote:

In spoiler tags since it is really off-topic:

It has been confirmed that Hoid was writing to a Dragon, who likely resides on Yolen (hence the whole "you old reptile" part).

There are multiple alloys for each god-metal. So a 90%-10% lerasium to atium alloy could potentially make a seer, a 90%-10% atium to lerasium alloy could have some other effect and a 50/50 alloy, "sazedium", could make a feruchemist. The thing is though that atium/lerasium alloys are tricky business whose realmatic interactions require you to be either a shard or a splinter to even begin to understand. Edit: added link-citations

Keep in mind that they had a language before the Aons. The Aonics, the ethnic group found in Arelon and Teod is not technically "indigenous" to those regions. They migrated to Arelon from places unknown and discovered Elantris already build, but empty. So they would definitely have been able to say "cow" in their original language even if they didn't know the Aon for it.

Steelheart isn't cosmere, it takes place on Earth. Also Preservation and Ruin are not on Roshar, they are Scadrial's Shards. Roshar's are Honor, Cultivation, and Odium (sort of, he's invested in Roshar but he actually resides on Braize)

Darnam is correct, the Aons exist, and have their meaning, independent of humans.

Szeth doesn't have a spren. It is WoB, something else is happening with him than what is happening with Kaladin.

Yah it's already been discussed here. But thanks for pointing it out.