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Well by Stormfather's words the Everstorm is One Storm in Perpetual motion. While the Highstorms are multiple and their weakening happens mostly because they lose Investiture over time (as Roshar's ecosystem requires). We could only speculato the Everstorm instead is constant

Hard to say for sure, but I think it would not. Assuming the eyedrops was already a thing back then, we have two possible scenarios: - The Eyedrops don't affect the Radiant's eyes-> well already self explainatory - The Eyedrops affect the Radiant's eyes-> it's still troublesome as the Radiants will have dark eyes also before the fakery when they have to have Radiant's eyes...it's almost impossible to make no Windrunner notice.

Now that I think about. It's possibile someone can't fake an Oathbreaking at all without the Illumination Surge (Truthwatchers maybe) because also if they leave the Blade and Plate (but the Blade is relevant here) they would still have Radiant's eyes...It would took hours for their eyes to return normal.

Because he is not a Skybreaker, he has a tool that gives him Skybreaker's Powers (Resonance included). As @Calderispointed out, we don't know when Nale retrived his Blade. If he retrived It After Gavilar's murder...that evening he would be without any Surgebinding and this include the guilt sense

The sentence seems to point to at least comparable numbers between the two orders, if there were just a bit of SW and a lot of WR...It will be more resonable to start with "there are a lot of Windrunner....and some Stoneward"

We don't know if Nale had the "guilt sense" that evening and by the way the guilt sense would not detect a surgebinding but rather that Jasnah is or not (well she is) guilt of something. It's possible he fel the crimes Jasnah's committed but it's hard to say

I think to make this list we Will Need to take a character as a general and not some specific istance of his Story. Kelsier: Red, sure he made the history for some stuffs but mainly Kelsier wanted Revenge and he was filled with rage. He inspired people and give them Hope, but that was mostly a side effect. Sazed: Blue, Sazed is the real Hope bringer. He recived a bad hit in book2 and he lose It...but regardless he is the most fitting for the blue than everything else. Breeze: Indigo, yeah this is not a real fitting pair. But Breeze is the most empatic character in the Trilogy and also if he seems a jerk, he actually spent all his days to subdlue improving others situation. Rashek: Green, he is the man who fought a fight for 1000 years with an unstoppable Force of nature. He had to take Extreme decisions and keep going for a whole thousand of years. Straff: Orange, I am not sure but he is the more fitting character I am not sure if you want a mutual exclude list but if One could be insert twice Rashek would be also the Yellow one. If you want a mutual esclusive list instead. Inquisitors: Yellow. They are built for the only purpose of be' a spooky hieropants of the Iron Cult. They are the actual Nightmare of many, while Rashek is something so distant to be' more a concept than an actual fear. The Inquisitors instead could be around and you Will be killed if you make something wrong before them. They are the TFE's terror. Vin: Love, i think the Vin's most iconic trait is what She is dispose of doing for the One She care. She is a fearsome Force of nature if the Ones She love need. She is probably the most likely Star Shappire. I Will not continue for the Black and White lanterns as those corps doesn't really have a link between personal traits and membership

My point is not they are strictly unable to change the Visions. I say they are unable of doing without the SF notices It. We know at least in another case (the Thrill) an Unmade can't force It Upon a Radiant because Honor's Influence through the bond protects him. And we know the Spren are able to intuitivelly feel the Odium's influence. I think It's mostly impossible for an Unmade to alter the SF without him notice this. My Word isn't Law but I see the other scenario as extremely unlikely. PS: I don't think the Unmade are in the same tier of SF and NW. Maybe they are pair of The Protector Just a tier below the SF and NW. SF was also upgreaded by Tanavast's Shadow...

I agree with Suit as Dead. But in the context of his death, I assume that was not really a fake Death but rather a simple jailbreak. The main problem is with the casual Readers. Not everyone is Cosmere Aware and not everyone also in Mistborn alone read SH. The whole concept of Cognitive Shadows is something really obscure without a wider knowledge

I mainly agree with this part (with an *) I disagree here, I believe the Spren and Radiant share enough Identity to avoid Interference. Their Soul is intermingled and I assume it's mostly the same stuff that happen with Hemalurgy, where the foreign Spirit-Web contribuite to the total identity.

I understood, but that wob made me think an Elantrian will need to re-draw the Aon on plates. By the way, I have a mindblank...When in book is a plate used ?

It's the main point I don't believe the Plate's Spren (if there are at all) are Sapients. IF the Plate is composed of Spren, those Spren have to be alive and fine as they don't scream. This implies the Spren formed and remain as Plate because they want or (as I see this) they have no actual desire to be something else. I honestly I can't see a Sapient Spren to remain as Plate and be used mostly for disgust stuffs for centuries without react in any way.

Hundreds of Blade vanishing in nothing is something not really stealthy much more with people fighting for them. Syl indeed flew decently far from Kal, but she wasn't pushed so hard in the physical. Did you see any difference between them ? They both follow the same actions and the Shards are described in the same way. I also suspect some of them were killed by the scary/angry/greedy people. I could not, and indeed I had to say "probably", I miswrote in the previous post, sorry. I didn't present the two as mutual exclusive. The Shin had thousands of years with the Blade and the informations from the KR. There was probably a common topic in the eroic stories of the time. There were books about. Probably there is a lot in the "Words of Radiance" alone. We have a WoB about the Shin to be ok in holding and training (with imply holding) Honorblades. You could find it in the most recent event's topic (I am unsure to be able to post it here at the moment)...Honestly I could not say why there is still exception, maybe the Honorblade are not considerated weapons or ....I don't know. Anyway in my previous post I forgot another point. In the vision Honor says something on the line "they were the first" refering to the Windrunner and Stoneward's Oathbreaking. Unless Honor was deliberatelly lying (something strictly difficoult for his Shard but not really impossible) for no real reason...This is a good argument for the WR and SW as the Recreance's start EDIT: I manage to retrive the relevants WoB

I think your view of the shards is a little limited. A shard isn't inherit good or evil. Shards like Honor or Cultivation could allow horrible actions without too trouble. Honor is about keep your word and the oaths you take. To Honor swear to protect someone just to then betray him and swear to kill someone to then spare him...are probably the same stuff. Cultivation is probably about the improvement, it's not inherit to help people or to harm them...they are mostly a side effect. She would let a good amount of Roshar to freely be destroyed to allow the worth part to survi

It's unlikely. First of all the Stoneward is one of the two Orders we know at 100% took part of the Recreance. The fake isn't real a possibility as the Spren would be unable to remain there without his knight. We know also there was no difference between the Windrunner and Stoneward's cases...so unless also the Windrunner faked this, it's almost impossible the Stoneward tricked everyone. There are also blade who are accounted to be Stoneward's Blade in the modern times. Secondly, the Shin have not "knowlege they could not have" because honestly after 5000 years of possession they could figure out a lot of stuff, much more they possess the Honorblade while the RK are still active therefore they could gather a lot of Information of surgebinding by them alone. Shin's gods are not the Heralds, Nale's line implies that Szeth's gods are the heralds instead of the rest of the Shin. I see no problem for 7 Honorbladebearers to be able to retrive the Blade, much more as the new owner will probably powerless at all (well except be equipped with a bit stronger Shardblade). I could agree the Stone Shaman are the Stoneward's lineage and they keep some of their phylosopy but for them to be actual Radiant...it's unlikely

Yeah I understood the part but honestly I don't believe Odium or an unmade could stealthly influence the Visions

Did you realize the topic is about their A-Steel alone ? Yeah Kel was a Mistborn but in this context he can't use 15 of his allomantic abilities, and yeah Wax is a Crasher but he can't use his other power (it's debatable if Wax will be allowed to use his resonance) I think this would penalizate both, but Kelsier will be more penalizated as he is too used to be able to performe stuff he wil be denied to him (mostly the Iron, Pewter and Tin Allomancy). The Era2 Kel could be mostly anything as far as we know, it could be a Mistborn as he former was, he could be no more a Mistborn for the stuffs that happened to him, he could be a Fullborn (but honestly I really doubt it) or he could have just 1 or 2 power gained through Hemalurgy....anyway He is not the Kel we considerate in this topic as we don't know nothing about him.

Sure there are better than nothing. The Shield could began to be' mass produced but I see not the implication they have to. They requires skill to craft, they have a Stormlight dependency and they are completely destroyed if actually used (at least in the context you Imagine) You have right they are an Amazing Discovery but we can't how pratical a mass production could be.

I think they Will not be able to reach sapience. This would out them in the Radiant Spren's tier and there would be no reason for many of them to spent their Life to make a single Plate. In the end, It's almost impossibile the Plate is made by Sapient Spren...for the whole Plate's mechanics we saw in action

We know by WoB that It's not something Odium does. Both for style and for actual capacity...Odium have to work through the Unmade for this kind of envir manipulations for some pratical problems he had and Ruin had not By the way, the Stormfather know exactly the Visions' content.

It's possible, the Half Shards are only enanched fabrials so something Almost replicable without limit. Just remember the Half Shards could take 1-2 blow before be' destroyed...

@Calderis @Extesian thanks guys

Agree, for example we know there is (visible) at least another Aon in the Elantris' Structure (the Ela Aon) but surelly there will be a good number of modifier and other Aons at work to generate "Elantris"

The Highstorms were pure Adonalsium back in the old days, but Honor messed a bit with them therefore probably now the Stormlight is not so 100&% Andy

I will be soon at work and there for some weird reason Theoryland is blocked. Maybe our @Calderis and @Extesian could help. It was a WoB about re-use multiple times an Aon and Brandon said something on the line of "sure you could print the actual Aon and then an Elantrian have to follow the pattern every time to activate it" of course the wording is wrong but maybe it could help.