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    ...No, I'm not evil(nor am I a trader ). Yes, I only have 1 use left with my Influence. The way I see it, if Ada is a trader, there might only be 3 traders, since the "Hidden" ability can block the lynch. That might also be a reason why no one was killed those 2 Cycles, because there were only two other traders, and maybe they either forgot to send in a kill, or they wanted to use Aviar, and act like Ada had been attacked. I'm beginning to revise my suspicions with that in mind, because as I said before, I thought Ada's wording and posts were off. If Ada is a trader, I think the team would be made of maybe these 3: Adavantos, Clanky and SilverDragon. I'm not sure though, I've been wrong a lot this game. If there are only 3 traders, then we will be able to lynch Ada twice without losing, since it would be 6:3 right now, and then 4:2 after we lynched him. If Ada is a trapper, then I would think the traders have 4 players though, so if that's the case, we can hardly afford to have a mislynch. I'll put my vote on Adavantos for now though, since I've had some suspicion of him pretty much the entire game. I will respond to other thing later when I have the time and write out all of mine and Kynedath's code, so you guys can know what we said. The keyword is "take" if you want to figure it out. It's a Vinegere code or something like that. Luckat gave it to me when I contacted her on the second Cycle with my PM Aviar.
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    Just so everyone knows, I did NOT use my vote changing ability just now. I am about 100% sure that one of them was a trader though, since I know that there is at least 4: Me(trapper), Shallan(trapper), Influential who moved Clankys(???) and Influential who moved Mailliws(???). Needless to say, I'm very disappointed in how this all played out. Ada removing his vote, and I'm guessing one trapper moving a vote away from Kynedath and onto Mailliw. There are 9 players left now. PK(Cleared) Water(Cleared) Lopen(Influential) Adavantos(Hidden) Clanky(???) Elbereth(???) SilverDragon(???) Kynedath(???) Hellscythe(???) I'm going to call out Hellscythe, as I believe he may be the culprit for how many codes have been guessed and Aviar stolen. At the moment, I think the eliminators are Hellscythe, Kynedath, Clanky and SilverDragon. The one time Clanky has really been a force in the lynch was when SilverDragon was up for the lynch, and like I said at the end of last Cycle, I'm having a lot of trouble getting a read on Clanky, which is unusual. Does anyone have any information they can share? I believe it would be wise to share it now, so that we can discuss the contents. It's most likely either 5:4 or 6:3, and I think 5:4 makes more sense personally. Regardless, I don't think we can have any more mislynches without losing. It's possible we can have one more, since I still have my Influential power, and I would bet that there is another player with an extra life(or Skilled Trapper), so we definitely can control the lynch right now, and we can still block the eliminator kill I think. I'm sorry if my thoughts aren't totally coherent. It's almost 7am, and I haven't slept. I will do so now, and talk to you guys later. I will put my vote somewhere once I have slept, and most likely reveal what I know(like, ALL of what I know. I think I should decide about that when I'm thinking clearer).
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    Finished BoM! Now impatiently awaiting Calamity.

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    Well, don't have time to do any in depth post about my suspicions, and honestly, I'm not sure if I have in depth feelings about the players enough to post anything like that. Here's how I'm feeling right now though, just in case I die: Lopen PK Water Elbereth Adavantos SilverDragon Hellscythe Mailliw Clanky(just cause I can't get a read on you dude, which is unusual) Ripple(her vote change just now made me a lot more suspicious of her and mailliw)
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    Vote tally: Kynedath(4): Adavantos, Clanky, Mailliw, Lopen Mailliw(3): Ripple, Kynedath, PK Elbereth(1): Hellscythe Adavantos(1): Water No-votes(3): Shallan, SilverDragon, Elbereth Well, dang, I don't much like being the deciding vote here. I am suspicious of Ripple still, so her voting on Mailliw makes me less suspicious of him, but I have no idea why she's voting on Mailliw really, and I could see it as them trying to distance themselves honestly. Kynedath, well, he has been giving me information through our codes. Pretty freely actually, which is part of the reason I'm suspicious of him, because of how open he's been with information. He didn't name any Aviar, but he did tell me how much one person had. He's told me who he's contacted, and what Aviar he got from lynching Elkanah, but not from polking(although I don't think he had any?). He also told me what Aviar he has. I think I'd have to say I'm more suspicious of Kynedath over Mailliw, so that's where I'll put my vote I suppose. Ripple I will not move any votes this Cycle though. I want to save my uses in case of a dire situation. I would ask for protection because of my role, but I'm not sure if I'd get any. Still, if anyone would protect me, that would be nice. At least now the traders have to worry about anyone actually protecting me. Mind Force Aviar should be careful about affecting the lynch though. Just a warning. I didn't notice Ada's edit in his post way back on page 1 until Elbereth quoted him. I guess I'll respond since some of it is about me. I'll edit it in. @Elbereth, I was chatting with our GM's and they told me that you are not made aware of what type of roleblock you were targeted with, but that if you used your role or you voted, it should be clear. So either you were targeted with a Beautiful Aviar, or you hit players with Mind Force/Hidden affecting them. Also, it's nice that you did a pretty long post, but I must say I'm a bit disappointed you didn't vote after all of that.
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    There has actually been 3 vote manipulations, and I was one of them. One on C1, where Ripple's vote was removed from Mailliw. Two on C3, where I moved Hellscythes off of SilverDragon and onto Elkanah, and another that was moved from Mailliw and onto Hellscythe. I personally think that the traders wouldn't use their vote manipulations that early though, so I would guess that it's been trappers moving votes(I'm a trapper by the way ), though it's possible the 2 other than mine were moved by a trader Influential. I'll move my vote if I need to. I'm still very suspicious of Ripple though. I don't think it's a good idea for you not to use your ability, but oh well. That's for you to decide. Also, a question to everyone. I know who all Kynedath has contacted, so should I reveal that information now? Or is there a reason for it to be a secret?
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    Water, I have been somewhat suspicious of Ada for awhile now as well, but we can't lynch him because of his ability(unless he doesn't have the "Hidden" role and the eliminators were just using a Mind Force Aviar on him whenever he needed to "prove" his role, but that is extremely risky because multiple things could go wrong with a plan like that). Also, there's the unexplained lack of kills on C1 and C3. We can't be sure he was attacked those times, but it does seem like the most likely scenario. I'm a little suspicious of him as well, but I think there are better targets who are more likely to be eliminators, such as Ripple or even Kynedath. Getting Kynedath's alignment can give us a clue as to Ada's as well, as I doubt he would try to bus Kyne as early as he was trying to do(though it's possible, because he did something similar to PK in MR10, but I don't think the situation is the same), so if Kynedath is an eliminator, I would say Adavantos would be mostly cleared. If Kynedath is good, that's different, but I still wouldn't be sold that that would mean Ada is a trader. I feel like Ripple is playing up to emotions more than Ada is. I am fine with lynching either Ripple or Kynedath I think. For now, I'll leave my vote on Ripple, but I may move my vote over to Kynedath later if I think the vote gap should be bigger to block any shenanigans. I would like for more players to vote, as that can give us so much more information than any role really. PLEASE VOTE ON SOMEONE. I don't think it takes a ton of time to find a decent suspicion. Especially with Mind Force and Hidden in play, voting can be very helpful to know what's going on(it's not good for the eliminator to know who's Hidden so that they can know when they can kill someone, but at this point, I'm not sure if there are any other Hidden players, unless they did what I said as an eliminator and didn't use their abiltiy because they wanted it available to block a lynch against them). If there's no kill again, and we know who was either attacked or roleblocked so they couldn't attack someone, that can give us a lot of information besides just seeing who players are willing to vote against. Edit: ninja'd by Ada. Ada, you're not gonna use your ability? I will vote on Kynedath later if I need to.
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    Like I said before, I have no experience with this game mechanic. So really, I'm not sure what would be a good strategy. I'll probably be more of a listener of plans, rather than a maker of them about this. At least at first. (Hey! I said I wanted to use PM's before Mailliw. Why wouldn't I be a target? )
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    I don't really want to go. I'd rather use PM's and stuff I think. If no one wants to go though, I suppose I wouldn't mind terribly missing one Night Turn. So put me in the reserves! Volunteers: Kynedath Araris Reserves: Lopen A bit of a warning though. Players with roles will most likely not want to go so that they can use their ability. So I don't know if it's a good idea for players to volunteer or say they don't want to go. Thoughts?
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    The problem with trying to lynch Ada this Cycle is that he can hide himself and block the lynch if he's an eliminator. If we lynch Kynedath, Ada needs to keep his vote on someone and use his Hidden ability. That way, if Kynedath turns out loyal, we have the option to lynch Ada if we want. Although the problem with this is that if he is an eliminator, he will just not use his ability this Cycle, and we'll have to either decide to lynch him twice in order to kill him, or try to take out someone else who we think is an eliminator. As for Kynedath, I'm sorry dude, but I have my doubts about you. I feel like you "trusted" me too fast and too much. It's possible you feel that way because I stood up for you when you were a target for the lynch, but I'm just not sure. The biggest thing in my mind that pointed to your innocence is that you claimed Sori to someone who actually had a Sori, making it seem like it was not a coincidence, and that the GM's had done that, rather than you just happening to pick someone to try and manipulate who actually had a Sori. But now I'm less certain.
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    First off, I never said you were "useless." You say it in your first sentence, and then imply that I was accusing you as such. Also, what do you mean you're only ever suspected when you're innocent? I recall that your first game(MR8) you were under suspicion when you were an eliminator and were killed by an Assassin. Then, in MR9, when you took Kasimir's place, you were lynched later on(though I do think it was somewhat affected by your role in that game) when you were an eliminator. I think those were the only times you've been an eliminator, but I know for a fact that you were under some suspicion in both games, so to say you are only ever under suspicion when you're innocent is not true at all. Did you not start with any Aviar? If you did start with some, what happened to them? I am going to bed now, so if you have anything more to say, you will have to wait until tomorrow for a response.
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    Okay, so I haven't had much time to think about our current situation or really anything much since my last post. However, I do realize that we need to kill an eliminator soon. Very soon actually. We have 12 players living I believe, which probably makes it 8:4, but I suppose it's possibly 9:3, though I don't think we can bet on that. So, assuming it's 8:4, that means that it's possible we only two more mislynches available to us(unless we are able to successfully block an attack or two). So, with that in mind, we need to put a lot of discussion and focus into this next lynch. I'm gonna vote for Ripple at the moment, for staying in the background of discussion and focusing on one player(Mailliw) for pretty much the entirety of the game in terms of voting. Right now, here's how I feel about each living player from most trusted to least trusted: 1. Lopen(Influential) 2. PK(CLEARED) 3. Water(CLEARED) 4. Adavantos(Hidden)(I put him this high somewhat begrudgingly, since I'm not 100% convinced he was attacked both times) 5. Elbereth 6. SilverDragon 7. Kynedath(Sori??? not if he's an eliminator obviously) 8. Mailliw 9. Shallan 10. Clanky 11. Hellscythe 12. Ripple I was going to do a complete read-through of the thread today, but I wasn't able to, so I'm hoping I will tomorrow. If I do, I will adjust this list according to what I think after I'm done.
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    If I can't lurk, you can't lurk. So what do you do on Day one then?
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    I could if I thought there was a reason to, but I don't agree with your reason for voting for him, and I already poked him, so I don't see the point. Ah. I'm about to go watch the Superbowl now actually. Go Cowboys! Oh wait...
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    Sure STINK. I'm assuming there's an actual reason, but I guess it doesn't really matter. Adavantos. Burnt Spaghetti. Yeah Orlok, I'm not suggesting we do it, I'm just putting it out there as a possible tactic, but not necessarily anything I think we should suggest someone do. I also said if we ever did suggest something like that, we shouldn't go through with it unless the player agreed to it. So no one is demanding anything.
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    Mailliw. Adavantos. I saw him on earlier, but he didn't post. He must be evil. If anyone wants to keep track of who's lurking, that could be beneficial. Right now Kynedath and Elkanah are viewing the page. They have posted multiple times already though, so I'm not sure they can be classified as "lurking." I'm not sure who's online right now, but I am kinda surprised that there isn't more voting going on, even if it's poke voting(it's there for a reason people). Edit: STINK, LUNA, Hellscythe and Orlok are also viewing SE.
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    Are you volunteering? Anyways, if we ever did ask that someone do that, we should only ever go through with it if they agree, otherwise they can just say they didn't want to do it and we couldn't really say they were an eliminator for not wanting to do that.
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    Thanks Wyrm! I think that's all I've got...for now! Okay, so this is interesting. If we wanted to check on an inactive(I'm talking really inactive, as in doesn't even get online for a couple days), we could make the party have 3 fully active players, and then the one inactive. That way, those 3 players will be protected from death by eliminators AND the mission failure, and we'll be able to get a read on the inactive. If the mission fails, they were loyal and would die obviously, but if the missions succeeds, or someone other than the inactive dies, we'll know they're an eliminator! And with the case that someone other than the inactive dies, we would know that there was another eliminator in the group of 3 actives. I don't know that this will ever happen, and I hope it doesn't, because I hope everyone stays active through each Cycle, but it's there if we need it. Theoretically, we could ask a player to not vote at all for the mission so that we could protect 3 people from death, and get that players alignment(which would only be loyal if they actually go through with it), but I don't think I'd ever ask anyone to do that, 'cause it's basically telling the player to either kill themselves or reveal that they're an eliminator.
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    Wow Elbereth. 1000 posts! Nice! (And this just happens to be my 400th! ) Something that I didn't mention before was that whoever has Mind Force used on them gets their vote taken away, so that's one more thing to take into account for that group. Like I said though, I know it's not a perfect plan, but I'm just trying to get the village to coordinate protection/Observant Aviar. In my experience, the times when the village has won is when there's some semblance of cooperation between villagers. Wilson directed things in LG14, Ada directed some things in LG15, and the only other time the village has won since I've been playing was when Hellscythe took us out in MR9 with his Coinshot powers and analysis(they should have killed you as soon as you revealed, darn it! ). I know people don't like "Mayors," but giving good advice to roles so that they're actually put to good use and don't overlap or cancel each other out somehow only makes sense to me. And that's another thing about my plan. The possibility that the players in the Mind Force group might have one of the crucial Aviar, and so might get blocked, possibly leaving a group vulnerable. I'm still trying to figure out if we can successfully pull off my plan, but I figured it would just be better to put it out there as early as possible so we can all discuss whether we can make it work, and make it as good as it can be if it will(not to mention that discussing about it can be helpful in and of itself). Thanks for your list Hellscythe. (It would be cool if we could get more players to do something similar to that. Ripple, weren't you going to try to do that each Cycle?) I'll try to put together my thoughts on each person soon as well. Edit: "phyhbdetf" Edit 2: @Elbereth, Since your vote counted, we know you weren't blocked by someone using Mind Force on you. It's possible your Aviar hit Mind Force/Hidden players, depending on who you targeted. It appears that PK was protected by Mind Force this last Cycle, since his vote on polking didn't count. Other than that though, it's impossible to tell because not a whole lot of people voted last Cycle! Half to be exact. Vote tally from before: polking(4): Kynedath, Elbereth, PK, Lopen Stink(2): Water, polking Mailliw(1): Ripple No-votes(7): Ada, Shallan, Hellscythe, Mailliw, SilverDragon, Clanky, Stink After: polking(3): Kynedath, Elbereth, PK(removed!), Lopen Stink(2): Water, polking Mailliw(1): Ripple No-votes(7): Ada, Shallan, Hellscythe, Mailliw, SilverDragon, Clanky, Stink
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    Well, I'd say it does make sense to focus on the players who were on the missions that fail, since it gives at least a 1/4 chance of getting an eliminator(which you would think we would have randomly picking out 4 players anyway, but this way it's a sure thing that there's at least one). There would also be a better chance if there's more than one eliminator on that mission, though I would guess that if the majority are eliminators, they might just decide to let the mission succeed so that we would be more trusting of them. So pretty much, I would say it's a good idea to look closely at failed missions, but not to put too much trust in those who succeed. Once again, I have some more questions for the GM! If a loyal player does not submit their vote for the mission to succeed, and then dies because of that, will we be told that that was the reason, rather than someone voting "no" or "fail?" Also, if more than one loyal player does not send in a vote for a mission, do they all die, or only one? Regardless, players who pick the players to go on a mission should always pick active players, unless we want to use the mission as a way to clear out an inactive(which I hadn't even thought of until just now).
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    ... Well I meant that you hadn't posted yet, but that's changed now. Have you ever played The Resistance game before? Do you have any idea's for the planning stage or for any of the roles? (I mean, besides that everyone should claim to you of course. )
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    LUNA, I think she just picked you since you are a new player here, and sometimes players will join a game and then never participate. So she was probably just trying to make sure you weren't one of those! Hey Mailliw, I'm surprised you haven't been on here yet. Been too busy in a doc maybe?
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    "mhkrdsspepwqtivrhw" Kynedath, you can make a code with every person you contact actually. Just make sure to change the you-know-what. It might make the thread a bit odd looking, but who cares! To everyone else, this code is supposed to be pretty difficult to crack, so I would suggest not wasting your time with it. Especially if you're a villager. I don't mind if the eliminators waste their time! Okay, so rather than all of our protective Aviar and Observant Aviar going blind, I was thinking we could try to set up some kind of system where it will be more likely that these Aviar's Actions don't overlap. To do this, we'd have to have some knowledge of Aviar though, so it's not exactly possible right this moment. Kynedath, I think you can make this happen though, since you can PM players. Really, we only need one or two known Aviar to make this work right. I was thinking we'd do something like this. There are 14 players left, and I'm guessing there's somewhere around 2 protective Aviar out there maybe(one Death Sight and one Mind Force), and we know there's at least one Observant Aviar out there as well(though Ada thinks the traders may have stolen it from him, which is definitely a possibility, since I'm sure they have some system for stealing Aviar and are more likely to guess right, imo). Anyways, I'm hoping there's at least one trapper who has an Observant Aviar out there, since that should give us 3 Aviar to spread through the players(1 Death Sight, 1 Mind Force and 1 Observant). So we split the players in small groups(leaving out polking, Stink and Kynedath, since there deaths can help us, so it's unlikely they will be attacked before their Mentors), and assign each specific Aviar to that group, letting the player who has that Aviar choose from that group, making it difficult for the eliminators to dodge our protects and info Aviar. Here it is: Death Sight protects(4): Lopen Adavantos PK Elbereth Mind Force protects(3): Shallan Ripple SilverDragon Observant "protect(since if they catch someone targeting one of these players and that player dies, it will be pretty good evidence)"(4): Mailliw Clanky Hellscythe Water Nothing: polking Stink Kynedath It's not perfect, but it might be better than doing everything blind. The reason that it would be good to know about one of these Aviar is that it's not a sure thing that there is one of each, and so if any one of these Aviar are not in play, a group will be left unprotected. But if we knew of two of a type of Aviar, then we could assign the second one to the place where a group is most likely vulnerable. There may also need to be some discussion about what type of Aviar guards what group, since Death Sight allows actions/Aviar, whereas Mind Force does not, and Observant doesn't offer any actual protection from death. I personally would like to be protected by Death Sight because I have a role, and because I may have an Aviar as well. (I'm not requesting protection here, just saying I want to be in the Death Sight protected group, because I want to stay alive and use my role/Aviar. I would be totally fine with it if someone wants to protect me though. ) I understand that most players would like to be in this group though, and we shouldn't request being in that group since it will give away that you have a role/Aviar that you want to use. Mind Force does allow you to keep guessing codes though, if you want to do that. But again, requesting to be in a certain group can give the eliminators clues about your role/Aviar. We could also remove certain players if we wanted the groups to be somewhat more protected. All we would have to do is decide who we would be okay with dying, and then kick them off the list! That way we could somewhat direct the eliminator kill to players who are regarded as suspicious, and so we could hopefully move discussion along faster by not just focusing on the same few players each Cycle. Another thing we should take into account is the possibility that there is another Patji out there. While one option would be that we could ask that they kill one of the Sori's to clear the Mentors, we could also put a group together who the general consensus would be okay with dying to the Patji(and those players would of course be exempt from the other groups). I would suggest that this group always be limited to 2 or 3 players though, so that the protect/info Aviar still have enough players to have the chance to block the eliminator kill(or at least make them pay through catching them in the act). Adavantos should be removed from all groups every other Cycle though, unless he states otherwise, since he has the "Hidden" role. I would also like to request that all Beautiful Aviar owners NOT use those Aviar right now, since information gathering is top priority right now. So if someone gets roleblocked, I'm pretty much just gonna assume it was a trader who did it. One last thing! Since it appears we're going to lynch polking, I think it might be a good idea for someone to add their vote to him to insure that no vote manipulation can occur(without someone looking mighty suspicious). polking, you could even vote for yourself if you're okay with it. Or Water could to clear himself(unless he knows it won't clear him! ). That's it for me for this Cycle! Hopefully I live to do more codes and planning with you guys.
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    @Wyrm, Is the 4 players on a mission number a set number throughout the game, or will it ever fluctuate? I ask because if it is a set number, then that means we will have to win with at least 4 loyals left standing. That's actually somewhat of a bother, but I don't think it's too much of a problem(assuming those 4 players are active!). If this is true, I suspect Wyrm may have only started the eliminator team with 3 players to balance that mechanic, but I'm not sure, since that's a really low percentage(3/20 is 15%, and the norm is usually somewhere in between 18% and 23% or something I think? So at first I was thinking 4, since that's 20%, but now I'm not sure.). But I think the planning stage is mostly beneficial to the eliminators as well, since only loyals can die from it(although it can give valuable information). Edit: Whoops. Forgot to say this. A loyal Assassin could act as a one time Seeker(Hacker) if they wanted to. If they only target one player, and then that player survives, they'll know they're loyal. This might be wasteful though, what do you guys think? @Wyrm, If a loyal Assassin targets a loyal player who is being protected by Medical Knowledge, what would happen? Would the attack go through and get nullified by the protection? Or would the attack be negated because it hit a loyal? @Wrym, Also, could we get the Order of Actions please?
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    Hmmm, well, I think I know what you mean by that, but I'm not sure how it relates to the rest of the second message, 'cause I didn't really understand any of it. I think the sequence got slightly messed up somehow. Would you mind repeating the second message completely? Sorry again. *Sorry for the technical difficulties. We now return you to your regularly scheduled program.*
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