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    Seonid, Okay, good to know, thanks. Speaking of things I'd like to know, any suspicions/trusts or anything? Now we're only gonna have public results from 1 Scholar. That is really gonna make things tough. As far as who should scan what, I'd say PK should scan either Stink or Mail, because their alignment would probably help the most. PK, I'd suggest scanning Stink. We stand to gain more information about lynched players. Unknowns, GB should scan Shallan, SoH should scan Mail/Kipper. I would very much like to know if Shallan was the Bondsmith. What about everyone else? That sound good to you? Feligon, I suggest contacting Orlok if you haven't already, as he is our faction leader. We need communication. Zas and all other Cooks, With the meager amount of discussion happening right now, I'd suggest either going after lurkers/inactives or just not killing anyone and give us some more time by not killing five players every Cycle.
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    Are you certain she was a runner or the Bondsmith? I believe you are both on the same faction, and she previously hinted she had a leadership position(captain or commander), so her starting a PM with you may just have been one of those kinds. #Ghostblood4life Would it be possible for you to PM me, boss? As for Twei, I'll go over her posts and get back with you on that. As of right now, I haven't noticed anything particularly suspicious about her. Mind explaining your thoughts on her? @Venture, Well, since you have claimed Runner, try contacting living players and get some connections. Other than that, just ask questions about things you don't understand/are curious about. Question players motives, anything. Flat out accuse someone of being an eliminator(although try to add a little reasoning). If you want, you could PM me, but since I'm a GB and you're a SoH, our goals will not completely align. Still, the priority is catching Diagrammists, so faction shouldn't affect things too much.
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    Tony Shark, thanks for explaining. You may want to green your name in your post, since apparently the quotes were messing up or something. It looks like you're voting for yourself. @Elbereth, ah, I see. I'm not sure how I missed that. Thanks. @Aonar, any news from your Scholar? On the topic of Scholars, does anyone know who Kipper scanned and what they turned up as? Elkanah, you said you knew about Kipper, any info about this?
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    I don't think he's usually quite this quiet. I'm not totally sure though, since his activity level never seems to stay consistent. Towards the end of LG15, he was one of the most active players. In other games, he's been quiet and hasn't done much in the thread. Even if this is normal for him though, I don't think that should protect him, since inactiviy isn't something that should be allowed to go unnoticed or ignored. Edit: I was trying to figure out how to quote Burnt, but I'll just respond without the quote. Sorry about that Burnt, you did give reasons and I should have double checked my facts. I'll remove you from the "suspiciously quiet" group I suppose.
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    I don't think all roles are distributed evenly between factions. Just KR roles, with the exception of the Bondsmith. Unless I missed something, which is possible. I'm not sure what the heck the Cooks are doing to be honest, and with the results of this Cycle, it really seems like there is a Diagrammist Cook. With the way the game has progressed, it just doesn't seem like a good idea to go killing 2 active players like Mail and Kipper. I was hoping we could send a message to inactives/lurkers by hitting a few of them this Cycle, which is what my list was for, but I guess the Cooks didn't agree with me, or their targets were changed by a Lightweaver. I'll post more in a bit, but I would like to say to Ripple that the Contribution Crusade ain't a bad idea sometimes. I think I understand your reasons for doubting it's helpfulness to the village, seeing as how you were saved by it before as an eliminator(in MR8, what's funny about this is that Phat was the first death under the CC banner), but Kynedath's vote isn't on a strictly inactive player. Phat has been online and active elsewhere on the forums, but hasn't posted here for a while. I'd say that's basically lurking. I'm still more suspicious of Feligon and Tony Shark though, since it's not unusual for Phat to go quiet sometimes(that's not to say it's okay, but rather that it's not something that strikes me as overly suspicious). So, Tony Shark, what's going on? Why so quiet lately? Any thoughts on recent events? Edit: removed vote
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    Okay, here's a list of inactives. This is just those who haven't participated at all lately. 1. Shallan- Last posted in thread over 3 days ago. Has been online recently. Habitually quiet in the early game except when she's a loyal seeker. (LG15 reference) 2. Feligon- Last posted in thread over 3 days ago. Has been online within the last few hours actually, but hasn't responded to the votes. I may move my vote here, but frankly, if we do kill him, I think a Cook should do it, which would free up the lynch. It's too bad since he's on my faction, but he is one of the most suspicious inactives to me. 3. Honey Badger- Last posted over 2 days ago. Has only posted once the entire game stating that he was behind but that he should start playing for real soon. Was last online a little over 24 hours. 4. polking- Has not posted in the game so far. Was last online over 48 hours ago. I'm not sure what's up with him. He didn't ever post in LG15 either. Couldn't keep up or something? If so, I'd advise he goes over Ada's summaries if he doesn't have the time to read through all 500 posts or however many there are. While they may have slight bias, I didn't notice much, so it would most likely be helpful. 5. DeathClutch- Last posted over 3 days ago. Has been online recently. Not much to say about him. Called out Mailliw, Ada and one other person I think, but since then hasn't done anything in the thread. 6. Venture- Last posted over 3 days ago. Has been online recently. Nothing seems to get this guys attention. 7. Tony Shark- Last posted over 3 days ago. Has been online very recently. No explanation. Another I'm fairly suspicious of because of his inactivity. 8. Phattemer- Last posted over 4 days ago. Has been online recently. Habitually pretty quiet in the early game, but has shown pretty good ability at weeding out eliminators. For examples, see QF9 and LG15. 9. Burnt Spaghetti- Last posted over 2 days ago. Has been online recently. Prolly evil. (LG15 reference. I don't actually have an opinion about her alignment yet.) 10. Lightsworn Panda(Jain)- Last posted over 3 days ago. Was last online about 3 days ago. Seems to be actually inactive, rather than lurking. Stated that he was behind on reading the thread. 11. Creccio- Last posted over 3 days ago. Has been online recently. Not sure what the cause for Creccio's silence is. Maybe because of finals? Usually much more vocal, like he was in the first 2 Cycles. Most likely Restares, or at least in contact with Restares. (We should probably kill him right? Totally not because of who he is though. ) I think that's most, if not all of them. That is a lot of inactives/lurkers. That's not even accounting for those players who have just posted a line here or there. Out of all of those, I think Feligon and Tony Shark are 2 of the more suspicious ones, seeing as how they have been online as recently as 2 or so hours ago, but haven't added anything for a while now(Of the 2 of them, I'd rather Tony Shark die since he's a SoH and I'm a GB, but I realize basing decisions like that off of faction would most likely be frowned upon, and frankly, Feligon seems more suspicious to me because he's being voted on and yet he still hasn't responded.) Others who seem suspiciously quiet to me are Creccio, Burnt, and DeathClutch as they haven't given reason for their lack of contributions lately and they seem like they usually are more active than this(I know, they are all SoH, but honestly and truly, I'm not basing it off of faction for these 3). Vote tally: Feligon(3): Araris, Twei, Mailliw Stink(3): Elbereth, Kipper, Seonid Kipper(1): Stink Clanky(1): Lopen Not a whole lot of votes again. I guess everyone is hesitant because of the lack of information? Still, we haven't been very productive these last 2 Cycles in terms of lynch discussions. I can understand to a certain degree, but it is a little frustrating. I know this time of year gets pretty busy, but I'm trying my best to get post my thoughts on things as often as I can, and I hope that everyone else will too. It's just so much more fun when everyone is trying to kill each otherfigure things out together! Edit: Okay, Creccio did warn us ahead of time he wasn't going to be very active for the last 2 Cycles because of finals. Hopefully he will be his usual posting self soon.
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    Yeah, those "Loyal" PM's........whoops. I'm not being too harsh on myself though, since I remember Wilson making one in LG14 and it had an eliminator in it, so if she can do it, so can I, right? Not to take away from your brilliant manipulation of me or anything, but I really should have been more wary of you. No hard feelings though, it was fun talking to you. (Of course, the off-topic things probably distracted me from your evilness! )
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    Good point. Although it still could be said that Wilson would re-roll because it would be overpowered for the eliminator team, but I don't really want to try to guess things like that, so I'll keep that in mind when thinking about roles from now on, thanks. He hadn't posted much, I'll agree with you there. But the thing that bothers me is that he had just posted something with a little substance. It's just........it was Alvron. While I don't think he should have immunity to early lynches just because of his rep, I don't think it was wise to kill him based off of what you gave. If someone has sufficient evidence against him, such as the case in LG14 with Wilson catching him on around the 3rd Cycle, then by all means, take him out. Not only is he feared by eliminator teams when he's a villager, he's also known as an extremely dangerous eliminator, so taking him out early would be a huge advantage for the villagers. But I don't see much reasoning for his death and that makes me worried that eliminators were involved, which is why I'm looking at the 3 who caused his death. All that aside, we really do need some more discussion. Right now, the current leader in votes are Stink and Feligon. Stink because of his non-reasons for being suspicious of Kipper and Aonar, and Feligon for inactivity/lurking. I agree with the pressure that both of them are getting. Stink, could you elaborate on your suspicions of Kipper and Aonar, please? Is it just a gut vote? You've said there's no proof, but that doesn't necessarily mean there's not a reason you have that opinion of them. Like Ada said in a prior game, even if it is mostly gut, there's usually something about something they have said that started you thinking that way, and votes such as yours just seem like you're not trying to put the effort into exploring why you feel that way towards them, or you are just trying for reactions and aren't actually suspicious of them much. Feligon has not done much this game, and has not given any reasons for why he has been absent these last few days. He has been online during that time, so it does strike me as odd that he hasn't posted lately. I suggest we use the Cooks for inactivity as has been mentioned before. That doesn't necessarily mean Feligon specifically should die though, as Twei's vote on him was a poke vote to get him to talk, and he's not been online to see that(although it's possible he's viewing the thread as a guest). I'll try to go through the player list and post what I find in terms of who's been inactive. Like I said before, I'm not really aware of any lurking going on as I haven't been constantly watching for anything like that, so if anyone has noticed anyone like that, it would probably be a good idea to call them out on it, if only to ask them to explain a little. Edit: What are we going to do about scanning for this Cycle? Unknown(s) scan Starry, and PK scans Alvron? Or are we gonna do it by faction? We need to be a little more organized about things like this, so that we don't end up with players forgetting to scan anyone, or having double or triple scans on the same player. There's also the fact that the Elsecaller stuff on Sart is gone now, right? So that's another option to scan I suppose. Hopefully PK has submitted his Action already, or gets on again before this Cycle ends.
  9. TheMightyLopen
    I'm going to start off with a vote on Clanky. While I'm fine with him not liking the lynch targets for last cycle, I don't get his vote on Alvron. The reasoning you gave doesn't work for me. Alv is one of the most competent players in these games, and as is always said, gets more dangerous as the game progresses and he gets more information to work with. Of course, that's what's said about him as a villager, so it may not be the case here, but I think it's worth asking about. Here is the reasoning Clanky gave for his vote on Alv: "Has been very absent throughout the game but comes on in time to put a 3rd vote on Mail with not much reasoning. Before that he only posted a few lines about Mail's list and one post saying he would post more later followed by no posts. My thoughts on that. First of all, what do you mean by "very absent"? He was fairly active in the first Cycle, and the last Cycle was the 3rd. So that means he was "very absent" for what? 1 Cycle? 2 maybe? If Alv was a big talker in the thread, then sure, I would see that as suspicious, but from what I've seen of him, he doesn't really post that often. You know Alv's playstyle better than me I'd wager, since you've been playing here longer than me, so it surprises me that you would call attention to his quietness like that. Secondly, his vote on Mail. While I agree his vote didn't have much reasoning to it, what do you expect at this point in the game, with only 1 scan result being revealed in the thread at that point? As has been said before, we have very limited information this game, so to me, basing your vote on something as shaky as a gut read(which is pretty much what Alv based his vote on) makes sense to me at that point in the game. Next is the part about Alv's post about posting more later. Uh, I don't remember him saying that. I remember him saying "don't expect much from me today," but that is not saying he would post later. From that post to his post voting on Mail, there was about a 3 day gap. Now, my criticism of your reasoning aside, there is something else bothering me about you proposing Alv as an alternate lynch candidate. Why Alv? As you said, he hasn't posted much, so we wouldn't gain hardly anything from his death and later scan of him(the one thing we learn is that Mail is likely innocent(or at least a villager ) if Alv is a Diagrammist). So, seeing as how Alv is Alv and could be a huge threat to the eliminators( which I think is especially true in this game, since it seems not too many people are paying very good attention to things, so someone like Alv who might notice things that others would not is a top priority for the eliminators to take out(if he isn't one himself of course)), why not let him stick around for a while and try to get a better read on him before proposing we off him? Actually, why not propose a Contribution Crusade lynch? I think there's enough targets to choose from, and the situation seemed ideal to me. You didn't like the lynch targets(I agree with you there), and there was only a bit left in the Cycle. It may seem a bit harsh to kill someone if they don't even know about the votes on them, but if gone about correctly, could help involve a good many more players, or at least make them give reasons for why they've been inactive. I understand the strategy of asking the Cooks to go after inactives/lurkers, but with the lynch the way it was, asking for a CC lynch makes sense to me. Maybe you don't have the same opinion on that, but it just confuses me that you would go after one of the high profile players with the amount of reasoning you gave. Of course, there's always the fact that you and Alv were on different factions. This goes for Adavantos as well. Not only did you both protect Mail(a SoH teammate) by voting the way you did, but you also got rid of one of the GB's biggest threats to your faction. I'm a bit surprised no one has mentioned anything about this. So my question to both of you. Did Alv's faction play a part in your vote on him? Of course, Ripple is on the GB faction, which happens to be my faction as well, so that logic doesn't apply to her. Which, thinking about it, makes me suspicious of her since going after her own teammate based on nothing does not make sense to me. There's also the fact that she didn't comment on either of the other lynch targets while voting for Alv. She has since given reasoning for why she voted, saying that she didn't want to kill Venture and wanted to tie the lynch, which actually has given me a paranoid theory that maybe a teammate of hers advised her to explain her vote before she got called out for it. One more thing before I'm done. Thinking about roles, Ada has voiced suspicions that the Diagrammists have an Elsecaller and a Cook. That seems a bit unlikely to me. I'd say that both of those roles are extremely dangerous for them to have, so to give them both seems overpowered. At the start of the game, I guessed that the Diagrammists would have either a Cook or an Elsecaller, but not both. I'm sure Wilson and Kas could balance it somehow, and it could be the case, but I'm going to reserve judgement about either role being on the eliminator team until I see better confirmation. The Elsecaller messing with the scans is suspicious to me, but I'm not sure that it is a certain thing that they are evil because of that. After all, I did propose that the Elsecaller could try to block an eliminator Elsecaller by just messing with the role and not the faction. I'm not sure if that's the case here though, as it could very well be the eliminators just messing with us by not allowing us to know roles, and thus keeping us in the dark even more.
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    So if I'm counting correctly, Mail is currently up for the lynch with 3 votes and Venture is next with 2. However, Kipper and Ada are supposedly bonded for this Cycle, so Kippers vote on Venture might count as 2 votes, making it tied up. So about PK's scan and stuff. Since both Kipper and Ada have both stated they are bonded, it is almost certain that the Bondsmith is still alive. Which means an Elsecaller messed with the scan. This kind of surprises me. If I was a Diagrammist Elsecaller, I would try to be very subtle about messing with the scans so that the village would be second guessing things all the time. So why would they blatantly use their ability like that? It just doesn't make much sense to me. I'm still brewing over this, so I'll try to put up some in depth theories about possible reasons for this when I'm not on mobile, and when I've thought through things a little more. About scanning. While we could go about it by faction, how are we going to handle the situation with PK? Are we going to ask him and Aonar's Scholar to scan the same person so we have a little more confirmation about whoever is being scanned? I'm barely awake right now, so I'll leave it up to everyone else to think through this situation As for voting, I don't think the attack on Venture was a WGG, so I'm leaning towards villager for him. I do agree with Mail though, that his activity levels aren't something I can condone. As much as I'd like for him to start actually participating in these games, I'm just not sure that lynching him would even help any as it's happened in the past and nothing changed. I'm not sure about Mail, but since he has been a vocal player, I'll not add my vote to widen the gap. Since I have been fairly inactive myself this game, I'm not really aware of lurkers or inactives that deserves a prodding to speak up, and I've not noticed anything suspicious enough to deserve a vote, so I shall leave my vote blank. Again, I'm sorry for my inactivity, and after tomorrow(I'll be busy and then exhausted), I should be able to be back to a much higher activity level. Edit: Ninja'd
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    Yeah, okay, I suppose the Explorer role is mainly useful when no one knows about them. @Elbereth, Yeah, that explanation works fine. To answer your question to Shallan(Ookla the Lightweaver), you're missing the lynch. That makes 6 kills a Cycle.
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    I put those parts in bold. So, Elbereth, what changed your mind so dramatically? You never give a reason for why you think either way. First you say it's because it's too powerful for the eliminators(not necessarily true), and then that last post happens. @Mail, The amount of posts have been overwhelming me. I got behind early on and now I feel like I've been trying to catch up ever since. Like Alv, I've skimmed the thread, but don't have a whole lot to add right now. I'll go through it again and think about some topics and try to respond to them once I have something to say. I do have a few things to say right now though. @Cooks, Please don't kill players based on little to no evidence, or based purely on faction. What if you randomly hit a scholar? Sure, Mail posted a list that turned out to be false, but that doesn't make him an eliminator. The kill on Arraenae seemed like a faction kill. I'm not sure about that, as I've yet to go through her posts, but if that is indeed the case, bad idea. If you're suspicious of someone, and they're on the other faction, sure, go vigilante style and wipe 'em out. But if you aren't particularly suspicious of anyone, it's fine to not kill someone you know....... (Of course, if either of them is an eliminator, then......great job! ) About Elsecallers, since we know that there are indeed at least 2, then if we're really worried about the eliminators having 1 and changing the scans, we could ask the village Elsecaller to change someone's role and not their alignment, so we could have a chance to block an eliminator Elsecallers change of alignment through the coin flip by the GM's. This does mean that if there is 2(or 3) village Elsecallers and no eliminator EC's, it would leave them vulnerable if they both did it. I really like PM's too! (I had 35 different ones in LG15 after all!) @Ada, I think Elsecallers and Explorers can be useful to the village. Protection roles are useful because they protect people. If a villager has a protection role that can only protect themselves, well that's a villager that's a whole lot harder to kill. Just because you think of protection roles like that as selfish roles, doesn't mean they're useless. Teams are made up of individuals, so to have even one of those individuals protected, you're helping your team. I do think that Scholars are more useful to the village than most other roles, but I think that every role can be beneficial to the village if used correctly. I'll try to post some opinions on players later, hopefully, maybe. (Depends on if I want to sleep or not )
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    First of all, I've gotta give props to Burnt Spaghetti. That was some pretty good manipulating! You had me fooled the whole game. If not for Kas' lessons of paranoia, I probably wouldn't have tried to get you lynched like I did. Even though I was a major part in your lynch(even though I hilariously accidentally removed my vote from you ), I still feel like I need to get revenge somehow. I'll pass on the revenge, but I'll be sure to watch you a lot closer from now on! Of course the real reason I was so trusting of you was so you would keep me alive like you did! That's totally what I was doing! Yep....... I think it was a good game by all, and even though the eliminator team might have started off a little disadvantaged, they made us keep guessing for a long time and even caught a few breaks early on, like the village losing our 1 Kandra and our 1 Forger in the first 2 Cycles. If our Mistborn hadn't helped us out like they did, things could have been a lot different, so in my mind, I think the game was pretty well balanced, all things considered. (Or at least, most things considered ) I felt like I helped out the Traitors more than I should have in this game. Like I revealed Ripple was roleblocked so they could set up the WGG for Burnt, and I was so trusting of Burnt, and, well, pretty much anything involving Burnt. I was able to be a small part in almost every Traitors death(I voted for Wilson of course, was suspicious of BB and asked for him to be scanned, nothing with The Cow but I did say I was a bit suspicious of him to Ada, I tried to get Araris lynched a few times and he was eventually Mistborn killed, I kinda led the lynch on Burnt, and I voted on Elkanah at the end), so I'll take a little bit of consolation in that. I would like to apologize to Hellscythe though, since I was basically the reason he turned. Sorry about that! If I'd have known that STINK wasn't forged on that 2nd Night, I wouldn't have been pushing to kill Alfa since one of the main reasons I was suspicious of him was that I couldn't think of a reason a Loyal forger would forge him into anything. Now that I've read(skimmed) the Traitor doc, that whole situation makes a lot more sense to me. Great work team! We were able to protect our Captain(unstable as he was, killing Cordero like that! ), and our mission! I think it's cool that me and my siblings were able to survive together as well. A very big thank you to Wyrm for running this game! I really enjoyed every minute of it! (There was quite a lot of minutes too. )
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    So by this we know that this is how the Radiants have been distributed: Faction A: Faction B: Bondsmith Edgedancer/Lightweaver/Elsecaller Edgedancer Edgedancer Lightweaver Lightweaver Elsecaller Elsecaller Also something to note is that in this game everyone has a role(and no, I do not count no-role as a role ). I'm not going to put my vote on anyone, because I'm not really suspicious of anyone at this point, and I won't be able to get online again before turnover. I'm sorry for not discussing much or voicing opinions on anything up to this point, but I've been extra busy the last few days, and haven't had the time to go over things as much as I would like to. (Including the rules. Things are actually even more complicated than I first thought! ) I'll try to do semi-ananlysis of the current leaders in votes though. Sart: Voted for Adavantos because of his summaries and to see his reaction. I don't really see his vote as that suspicious, but I can't say I've ever really thought a Cycle 1 vote was too suspicious. Personally, I don't mind Ada doing summaries if he wants to do it. It's my opinion that players should read over all the posts themselves anyways, so that they can fully understand the players tone and meaning behind the post, but if Ada does put any bias in his summaries, that's information to be gained about his motivations and such. STINK: Claimed runner. Nothing to say about whether he's a Diagrammist or not. I have no clue. He's still neutral in my mind. Has caused quite a bit of discussion though, so that's always a good thing(makes for long periods of reading and catching up though ). Adavantos: No kind of read on him either. He's posted a few times, which is the norm for him, but I haven't really done any type of analyzing yet. Creccio: Always seems to attract attention early on. Not in a good way either. I can understand a slight change of playstyle from him as I wouldn't enjoy dying early either. Sorta Mailliw(since Ripple tried to vote for him, but messed up the mobile vote): Posted a list of who is on what faction, that turned out to have false information in it. I don't know what to think of this honestly. I don't think the eliminators care about the faction aspect of the game, except that they can use it as an excuse for any actions that seem out of place, or suspicious. I'm still trying to figure out how to work in the faction part of the game as well as the usual "catch the eliminators." I'm gonna try to not let it affect my suspicions too much though, as their is no chance of winning if we don't kill the eliminators. If a situation arises where a member of my faction is under suspicion as well as a known Radiant of the other faction, I have to admit that the faction part of this game will most likely affect my thinking. So I have to agree with STINK that Radiants should not reveal to anyone unless they know for a fact that the player they are revealing to is on their faction as well(Of course, if any Radiants on the faction opposite me want to reveal, I suppose I'd be fine with that ). Of course, even then, that player might still be an eliminator and they would have no qualms about somehow revealing it to the other team so that you will get dead. I think that's about all I've got for now. Once I read through the thread completely, I'm hoping I'll have some leads to pursue for next Cycle, and more things to disucss, as well as somewhere to place my vote. Aaaaaaaaand since I really enjoy the role aspect of this game, here's something I've been thinking about. If the Diagrammists have an Elsecaller, I believe that they would have a small team. Probably something like 4 or 5. Since the Scholars are the only way to get the alignment of the players who were lynched/killed, if they have the ability to change said alignment(after death), then that would greatly affect how we go about the game. They could lead us down false trails, or they could protect themselves by changing their own dead members alignment and therefore making us unable to soft-clear those who were responsible for their death, or go through that eliminators posts and gain information from that. (Obviously, if you are a village Elsecaller, you better not change the alignment of anyone. Even changing the role seems detrimental as well. You're better off protecting yourself with your other ability or not doing anything if you think someone might PM you or something.)
  15. TheMightyLopen
    First of all, I'm not sure that Wyrm means anything with the things about planetfall and such. I think it's just fluff, not anything game relevant. I guess it wouldn't hurt to ask though. @Wyrm, are you indicating in any way that this is the final Cycle? I really don't know if he'll answer this, but who knows? Maybe he'll choose to not troll us.........maybe. (We can hope can't we? ) I would like to hear why you are "incredibly" suspicious of me(barring the game ending stuff, which I don't think is a fair reason to accuse me at all). I can understand why the HI is going after me since me and Elkanah are the two who are being viewed as the targets for this lynch and obviously he's gonna try to do everything he can to protect Elkanah, since Elks alignment is tied to his. One more thing I just want to point out. I'm not sure it's exactly relevant, but I was under the assumption that Clanky was the one who protected Burnt on the Night she was attacked, because Biggoron said he hadn't claimed to Adavantos and Ada said he set up the protection for Burnt because she was role-blocked(I think Ada said that. It was on D6 when he mentioned it, if anyone wants to go back and verify this). Which makes me assume that Clanky blocked that attack because he was in contact with Adavantos I believe.
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    I don't really have much to say yet in terms of suspicions and such. Just a few things I think might be worth mentioning. @GM's, in the rules it says the KR will be equally distributed between factions and stuff, but I was wondering if we could have a bit of a clarification on this. Does that mean that one faction will have each of the four Radiants and the other side will have the same except the Bondsmith will be replaced by one of the other 3? By which we can assume that there are at least 2 of each type of Radiant except Bondsmith? With the limited information about role and alignment in this game, I was wondering how that would affect things. Like, would the eliminator team be small since alignment isn't revealed directly, or would we just have a lot of scholars to give us a cushion in case some of them die fairly early? I'll hopefully add some more later in terms of suspicions and strategies and stuff, but I've gotta go to sleep now.
  17. TheMightyLopen
    What she said. The attack wasn't a waste. It does help to soft-confirm that Biggoron is indeed an Elantrian. While it's certainly possible that Clanky could have guessed right, it's still better than nothing. Yeah, I'll explain about the Burnt and Elkanah thing. First off, in the "loyals" PM I made 2 Nights back, we were talking about scanning Elkanah and what we would do depending on the results of the scan. I said it might be a good idea to lynch Burnt if Elkanah turned up Loyal, so that we could clear the scanned group and the HI. There was also the small proposal that we might lynch Alvron instead of Elkanah if he turned up Loyal, because I though Alvron might be the BioChromancer if Elkanah wasn't. Of course, at the time I thought Burnt was Loyal so I thought the scan would be truthful, which would clear Elkanah. Alvron was Mistborn killed that Night, so Burnt should have known that if she announced that Elkanah was Loyal, she had a good chance of being lynched. She went ahead and said Elk was scanned as Loyal anyways, which doesn't really make sense to me. If she knew she had a good chance of getting lynched that Turn, why not scan Elkanah as a Traitor and take a Loyal out and turn the HI? Obviously she would die soon after for giving a false scan, but she would have gained a new Traitor while killing a Loyal at the same time. So, why didn't she do this? I believe it's because Elkanah was a Traitor as well, and she knew that she would get outed at some point. Either because she would eventually have to scan someone as a Traitor, and then once that person was dead, she would die as well, or because we would kill her for the information it would give us(like we did). I wasn't quite sure about this, since I was still a bit suspicious of Clanky and Biggoron, but seeing this post from the HI confirms it for me. I am neither a Traitor nor a BioChromancer. This confirms to me that the HI has turned Traitor, but obviously it doesn't help you guys too much since you have no way of knowing my role since I don't have one and therefore have never affected anything regarding actions. Okay, scenario time. We have 9 players. 1. Probably either 7:2(Elkanah and HI) or 6:3(Elkanah, HI and ???). 2. If I am lynched: 6:2(Elkanah and HI) or 5:3(Elkanah, HI and ???). 3. A Traitor kill later(Elbereth will most likely be blocked at that point, and if she's not then she will kill Elkanah, a confirmed Traitor at that point): 5:2(Elkanah and HI) or 4:3(Elkanah, HI and ???). 4. Lynch Elkanah: 5:1(VICTORY!! The HI would still be alive obviously, but he can't do anything at that point.) or 4:2(HI and ???). 5. Traitor kill: 3:2(HI and ???). 6. Lynch(Orlok maybe? I'm not sure. I believe Steph is Loyal. Her vote on Elkanah is a major factor for me though, so that evidence for her can't be used at the moment. That leaves Phatt, Clanky and Biggoron. I'm fairly sure that all of them are what they say they are now, and I just don't know if having 7 Traitors with 2 protective roles would be balanced, so I would say they're most likely Loyal. I would choose Orlok because of how he tried to change the lynch away from Burnt and onto Biggoron. Also the way he was going after Alvron and because he's a Surgebinder. One thing I should mention about him though is that in the "loyals" PM he seemed to be okay with Elkanah getting killed. Because at one point we thought Elbereth was gonna kill Elk, but she decided to tap Biggoron to test his role. Arraenae was supposed to tap Phatt to confirm his role as well, but then she decided to kill Alvron instead. Orlok said something like "kill Phatt and Elkanah, and scan Alvron." All of this leads me to believe that Elkanah is the last remaining Traitor, but I'm not totally sure about that.): Either 2:2(HI and ???) or 3:1(Victory!! HI remains) The one thing that worries me and makes me think that Elkanah might not be the last Traitor is because Hellscythe is lying about me like this. There doesn't really seem to be a point to going through all this if they're just going to lose the very next Cycle. It may just be him trying to prolong Elkanah's death or something, but it does unnerve me a little. If you guys feel like the smart thing to do is lynch me, then I will at least ask that you go through all of my posts and my PM's with all of you and take that into account when you're making your decision about whether to lynch me or not. I think that's about it. If you guys have any questions, just go ahead and ask. I'll answer as fast and in as much detail as I can for anything you are wondering about. My vote is on Elkanah. Vote tally: Elkanah(4): Clanky, Phattemer, Steph, Lopen Lopen(1): Elbereth @Steph, if you're going to use your power please inform everyone so we insure that we do have a lynch(regardless of who it is, me or Elkanah). Edit: Forgot to respond to Steph's edit. If there are 2 more Traitors(besides the HI of course), then I would guess either Surgebinder(Orlok), Feruchemist(Steph) or Voidbringer(Phatt). To me, giving the Traitors an Elantrian and a Voidbringer seems too overpowered. Especially since that would mean that the Loyals only got one Elantrian as well and that doesn't exactly seem balanced to me. Voidbringer is almost the same situation too, except that it can only block the one person, so it's not quite as useful imo.
  18. TheMightyLopen
    Action 1: Arrange a marriage for Inigo with an NPC House.
  19. TheMightyLopen
    I do think that Orlok is the Surgebinder as well, but pretty much the only way he's not is if him and the BioChromancer claimed each others's roles for some reason, and I don't know why they would do that. That would also mean he's a Traitor, so it doesn't much matter if they did that or not. I'm not sure exactly what Cycle it was, but the HI scanned Clanky before Alfa was lynched and said something like: "well I scanned you Clanky and now believe you to be Loyal because of that." So he did say something about it before Alfa was killed meaning he was Loyal for sure then. Biggoron, well, I'm a little confused about our situation right now, so I'm not sure about what his role is. If Clanky is Loyal though, then he is the only one who would know if Biggoron is an Elantrian or not. That doesn't exactly help us all that much, but like Clanky said, if one of them is killed, we will know about the other one. At the moment, I actually do think Elkanah is the most suspicious. I want to think about things a little more before I do a Mistborn vote on him or anything like that.
  20. TheMightyLopen
    Hey Steph, could you use your Feruchemy skills to switch Clanky's vote from Biggoron to Burnt? That way we will have 100% confirmation that you are a Feruchemist! I mean, we might already have confirmation, but I'm too tired to go through the thread trying to figure it out and this way is easier. So Clanky, please leave your vote on Biggoron. Other people who haven't voted for Burnt, please do so that there will be no shenanigans whatsoever with the lynch. Edit: Vote tally just because Burnt Spaghetti(5): Lopen, Phattemer, Elbereth, QueenSteph, Biggoron Biggoron(1): Clanky Phattemer(1): Orlok
  21. TheMightyLopen
    Clanky, I agree that the only way for you to be Loyal is if Burnt is a Traitor. So why not put your vote on her? I'm only convinced of you being a Traitor if Burnt turns out to be Loyal. I'm not sure if I made myself perfectly clear before, so here it is again(if we lynch Burnt and she turns out Loyal): Orlok, Steph, Lopen, Elkanah(Hemalurgist) and Hellscythe would be completely cleared. That would leave 4 uncomfirmed players: Phattemer(scanned by the HI as Voidbringer, and now has claimed as such), Clanky(scanned by the HI as Elantrian, has claimed that for a while now and proved he is one by protecting Burnt on N4), Biggoron(claimed Voidbringer, now claimed Elantrian), Elbereth(claimed Mistborn, and about 99.9% sure she is one). So the BioChromancer has gotta be Biggoron. With the knowledge that Biggoron is a BioChromancer and not an Elantrian like he claims, we can then assume that he was protected by an Elantrian who is also a Traitor. At that point, we would already have established that you are the only Elantrian, which means that you are the one who protected him last Night and you are also a Traitor because of that. I remember LG14 very well , and that is why I'm trying to explain everything so that everyone is on the same page and we don't make the same type of mistakes. Edit: @Orlok, the only way my plan involving Burnt being Loyal won't work is for there to be a 3rd Traitor, and it would have to be either Phattemer or Elbereth. Phattemer is a confirmed Voidbringer. Elbereth is a confirmed Mistborn. I am very sure that Phatt was targeted on N6, and so he is Loyal. Add to that that if he was a Traitor, then that would mean that the Traitors got 3 protective roles. That is just too many imo. Elbereth is a Mistborn. If she was a Traitor, then that would mean the Traitors started with 7 players and would have 1 Voidbringer(Wilson), 1 Elantrian(Clanky), 1 Forger(BB) and 1 Mistborn(Elbereth). Not to mention a BioChromancer, Hemalurgist, and a roleless that could be forged into anything available, maybe even another Mistborn. That would be an insanely strong eliminator team and would mean that the village got just as good of roles. But we didn't really get that many good roles if that was the case. That would mean we got like 8 roleless, 2 Bio's, 1 Mistborn, 2 Kandra, 2 Voidbringers, 0 Elantrians, 4 Hemalurgists, 2 Surgebinders, 3 Feruchemists and that's it. (Not including the HI) I do wonder about that message by Wyrm, but he does call himself the "King of Trolls," so he was most likely just messing with us. Edit 2: Clarification. The only way my plan involving Burnt being Loyal won't work is for there to be a 3rd Traitor. (I added the italicized part in the first Edit)
  22. TheMightyLopen
    @Hellscythe, Well, I did say that if Burnt is evil, I still think Biggoron and Clanky are as well, not Biggoron and Elkanah. But if she does turn out to be a Traitor, then we still have the Night Turn to think things through and discuss and stuff. As I said before, I haven't thought through that scenario as much, so I'm not sure what we would do besides regular Mafia/Werewolves/SE type of stuff. I mean, you guys have pretty much all the information I do, except for my knowledge of what people said in my PM's and such, so you could figure it out just as easily as I could probably.
  23. TheMightyLopen
    I'm really sorry Elbereth. I didn't want to have to reveal your role, but your loyalty is a major factor as to why I believe Clanky and Biggoron are Traitors and I couldn't very well just say I trust you for no reason. I think it is in the Loyal's best interest that everyone knows what's going on, as I believe that regardless of who is a Traitor, they know pretty much everything, and what they didn't know, they could guess very easily. I don't think they would have known as much as they do, but last Night I stupidly made a PM for "Loyals" and included Clanky in it. I hadn't thought through everything completely when I did that, but since I did do that, Clanky knows everything now, so there was no use trying to hide your role. This is who was in the PM: Burnt, Lopen, Orlok, Steph, Arraenae(she knew everything that Ada knew because she was the Mistborn in contact with him) and Clanky(because he protected Burnt on N4 I think it was, so I thought that pointed to him being Loyal). Just for complete honesty, this was the plan: Arraenae-kill Phatt to confirm him as a Voidbringer, Mistborn 2(Elby)- kill Biggoron to confirm his claim of Voidbringer, Burnt- scan Elkanah(because I thought he was the Traitor BioChromancer, and that the HI had turned). For some reason Alvron was hit instead of Phatt. Elbereth, did you tell Arraenae to kill Biggoron and you would kill Alvron? Because the only other explanation would be that Clanky went behind everyone's back and convinced Arraenae to kill Alvron, and then offed her so she couldn't explain herself. Either way, it doesn't really matter(unless Alv is upset, but I didn't kill him, so I'm not worried about his wrath ) since killing Alvron just proved to me that he wasn't the Traitor BioChromancer, as him and Biggoron were the only other suspects I had for that role. I'm just curious how that deviation happened. Yeah, you might be killed, but I wouldn't say you're necessarily target #1. They can either roleblock you or just block your kill with Clanky's ability, so you aren't exactly a threat to them at the moment. But anyway, a lot of other players have said this before and I agree with them. Surviving doesn't really matter in the end. You play to win, not survive. At least, that's how I feel. If Clanky and Biggoron are the only remaining Traitors, they could be nice and give themselves up so some more people could survive, but that seems like a weird thing to ask of Traitors, so I'm just playing like we're going to play through all this until all the Traitors are dead. If Burnt is a Traitor, then she would know practically everything as well since she was in the PM and is a confirmed Kandra, so I think she would know everyone's roles.
  24. TheMightyLopen
    Let's see, if Burnt is a Traitor, then things would get a little more complicated I think. I haven't completely thought through everything in that scenario, but we would know that there would still be a Traitor BioChromancer running around, and we wouldn't have a lot of choices at that point. Orlok is pretty much confirmed to be the Surgebinder because the Alvron message, which he did because he had a hunch that Alv was a Traitor. The HI was Loyal when he scanned you and Clanky, so we know that you are what you say you are and it's fairly certain that Steph is a Feruchemist, so that leaves me, Elkanah, Biggoron and Elbereth. We are claiming Uninvested, Hemalurgist, Elantrian, and Mistborn. I would say that Elbereth's claim of Mistborn is the most trustworthy one since no one has challenged her on that in which case it comes down to me, Elkanah and Biggoron. Biggoron lied about his role, and I know I'm not a BioChromancer or a Traitor, so I would still be suspicious of him. Elkanah would be the only other available player if Biggoron wasn't it, but his claim of Hemalurgist and the things he's said and the things the HI has said lead me to believe he's telling the truth about things. So as you can see, I still think Clanky(because Biggoron was protected) and Biggoron are the Traitors pretty much no matter what, but the only way to be completely sure we win is to lynch Burnt first. Really, I'm not just basing this completely off of roles. I've been suspicious of both Clanky and Biggoron for quite some time. Lately I had begun to think differently because of some things I thought might point to them being Loyal, but I have since written those things off as them being smart people and not just doing blatant eliminator things. One thing I thought I could point out that would point to Clanky being a Traitor is how he interacts with Araris. Firstly, he bases his suspicion of Araris off of another players alignment. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but if you think through it, it makes sense for an eliminator to do what he did. 1. Base suspicion of your eliminator friend based off of another's alignment (Clanky says that if Kipper is a Traitor, then he is going to look closer at Araris.) 2. Try to kill the player in question(in this case Kipper, which happens while he's saving Araris from the lynch). 3. By killing Kipper, he can then say, "Oh, Kipper was Loyal, well, I guess Araris isn't that suspicious anymore." And by saying that, may alleviate suspicion from his friend. or this could happen 4. Araris is killed and he can say, "It's nice to be right about someone being a Traitor!"(which happened in his first post after Araris was Mistborn killed by Elbereth) which will get him some village trust, without him really risking anything. What I think Clanky is trying to do right now is get his fellow killed, which will give him some more trust, at which point he will have to accuse someone of being an Elantrian(who protected Biggoron), which means he will have to accuse the Kandra of being a Traitor, since anyone he could accuse would be scanned by her, or cleared with the ways I am saying. Since the HI would be cleared with Burnt's loyalty, that means we would know that Clanky is the only Elantrian, so he would have no choice but to try to bring her into question.
  25. TheMightyLopen
    Since this is a Rosharan game, I'll sign up as Lopen! This game looks amazing! I've been wanting to try a faction game for a while now.
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