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Yes, that's possible, Szeth also hasn't known about Mr T as his new master. And Nalan in WoR is in contact with the Sons of Honor.

Mr T had asked Nightwatcher for a way to ensure the survival of humanity. The result was the fluctuation of IQ, but also of empathy. How about T himself is manipulating this goal because he allways suppresses the empathic part of himself? Not the Diagram is wrong, but the interpretation without empathy. Perhaps only acting on one part of his boon is the problem.

Isn't Nale acting within the rules of the current country? Alethkar with the "the end justfies the meaning" - mentality doesn't really be on odds with something like that. Look at Sadeas or Amaram. I don't say it was Nale, but all he has done - if - is giving the Parshendi a Stone. The problem I see is: Shouldn't Szeth recognize him for more than only the feast? A question - Is it known how long before the assassination Szeth was declared Truthless? Or who has hold his Oathstone before the Parshendi?

Nin/Nale/Nalan is at any time a good suspect to be involved. Little bit OT: Whoever was acting (or not) in the background were they trying to prevent the desolation or was the resulting events with the Vengeance War, the Parshendi and the now different Desolation exactly the goal? Is someone acting on Odium's order? And for Nale - he kills Radiants to prevent the Desolation. This effects the bonded Spren. But all we know is that a new cycle starts with the breaking of a Herald under torture. Is killing Radiants even a way to prevent a Desolation? Shouldn't a Herald know the mechanism?

Yes, I don't believe this could be Elhokar - this was only for all possibilities. Aesudan - she is the new "First Lady" - Navani wasn't really happy about loosing her political influence. But no, Aesudan was perhaps also a tool, like the Parshendi. She was the one Jasnah tried to murder - looks like a scapegoat. For Sadeas - all in all, who would give up this convenient assassin? But he is a possibility to explain how Dalinar seems to know Szeth althought no one else. If I remember right, there was also a connection to Liss, but she doesn't seem to know about the Oathstone. Perhaps this was the way to bring Szeth to Kholinar without a connection to his real "master". Restares - I really need to reread the books...

Is there a possible connection with Jasnah planing to assassinate Aesudan to protect her family? The Parshendi only decide to kill Dalinar after he told them about his plan. This sounds as if Szeth was in Kholinar at this time. Before the Parshendi didn't need an assassin - now they did. Where could they find him, whom would they ask? Cui bono? Beside the Parshendi - who had had a benefit with the death of Dalinar? Elhokar - he is the new king. Aesudan - she is the queen. The Ghostbloods - don't know, but they try to kill all Kholins. Sadeas - he ends up as the "hero" of this evening, he gains the trust of Elhokar. How long was he planning to become the king? Dalinar's death could have been the first step to reach this position. Who else?

We need someone with the same goal - the assassination of Dalinar. As for Taravangian - we don't really know him before his visit with Nightwatcher, perhaps he has had another plan at this time. Who could have held the Oathstone before the Parshendi, who would have lend him to the Parshendi? Frankly, I also have a problem to see the Parshendi, with their history, using someone, who is besically a slave.

Interesting. This reminds me on an old question of mine: How did the Parshendi know of Szeth, about the mechanism of the Oathstone, about his abilities to kill? From the beginning I wondered about the background of the meeting between this secretive people and a "little" Shin, who isn't exactly talking about being "a gun for hire". This was always a little bit too convenient, too much of an accident for my liking.

Isn't Nale only interested in killing Radiants/Proto-Radiants, who are acting against the law? Adolin isn't a Radiant (yet) and we don't know how this affair will be handled with his right to duel and Sadeas accepting this right. But there is a Radiant who has relativly sure broken a law - Shallan. Poisoning her father and kill him in his helpless state - and not in self-protection - is perhaps against Alethi-law - that's what Nale needs. He has killed Ym and tried to kill Lift for much lesser reasons.

How about the other way round? Is there a possibility he could use his super-breath on Roshar? Perhaps Vasher isn't there on his own behalf but because Endowment had sent him? This would explain, why he isn't relaxing on one of the Reshi Islands or searching for Nightblood - he is waiting for the moment to act on visions of Endowment.

@ Stormgate Yes, rather... @ Zea Mays No doubt they will reconcile (if Wayne really won't do something stupid..). On the other hand - at the moment Wax isn't on Steris side to 100% (perhaps 70 - 90%), but with Wayne forcing him to decide between her and himself this can become even more.

Wayne in this chapter reminds me of a son who tries to destroy the new marriage of his father. Since SoS I was asking myself, what he is hiding behind his proclaimed "love" to Ranette - now there's a possible answer: He don't want to move on. Not from Ranette, from Wax. Since 15 years he has wraped his life around Wax and neither Lassie nor Ranette were threaten him to build a life of his own. With Maresi Wayne sees a way to remain in the old relationship, but in Steris he is sensing a possible danger to force him to move on. I don't buy he was trying to prevent the wedding because of Wax, he is doing it because of himself. Now I hope Maresi will be able to convince him to let go and he isn't about to do something really stupid...like trying to kill Steris.... Perhaps he's right and Wax will figure out he was behind this sabotage - but it will backfire in favour of Steris.

The problem seems to be: SoS - SFO Signing Q. If Nightblood feeds on Breath, but Szeth doesn't have it, will it feed on Stormlight? A. Nightblood can feed off Stormlight, but Szeth can't draw in Stormlight right now. So he better not draw that sword, for a while at least. It looks for me more like a new way for Nalan to use Szeth to kill, not to honor him. At the moment - if Szeth draws Nightblood he will be the first to die, justified or not. Perhaps he can attract a "Justice-Spren", when he refuses to act on revange in Shin.

I especially had a good laugh with him telling Vander to go back in his corner because he hadn't rated and therefore obviously not read the book. Looking at "Andrew" or "Johnny" - he tells us he hadn't also read one of the books - there are no ratings.

This "Andrew" or "Johnny" looks like a professional troll. Whereas he tells us in the WoR thread he had read GRRM and is anticipating the next volume - as "Andrew" - with his alias "Johnny" he has started a similiar offensive thread against ASoIaF telling he has stopped reading after the Battle of Blackwater.

Yes, I know all of this. I don't make a connection to Dalinar, only to this in-world book. He writes a book in the book and for this he prefers Oathbringer, but Highprince of War is also possible - whichever title he will choose, it is the same story in the book. I wasn't talking about book 3, only about this book in the book and for this both titles are possible, they fit to the book that plays a role in Dalinar's book. (And yes, I know I'm rambling....that's the problem with a title of a book in a book with the same title...)

Perhaps this can help: Mr Sanderson is writing parts of a book in a book. Both titles - Highprince of War and Oathbringer - are possible, only at the moment he prefers Oathbringer. I don't think there will be two versions of book 3 - both titles refering to the very same in-world book. What's a possible connection between a Highprince of War and a blade named Oathbringer?

The chronologically event is something of a hobby of mine. Without the dates of book release: The first part we are witnesses is... ..the prelude in WoK and a great part of Dalinar's visions. Followed 3000 years later (+/-) by ... ...Rasheks ascension. Then - more than 100 years but not 1000 before FE- ... ...Elantris. The first book and TES roughly at the same time looking at the other events. Now we know there will be Elantris 2 - about 10 years later. That's surprising - we will go back in time on Sel. On with... ...1. triology Mistborn. Some time later.. ..Warbreaker. There I think of this Terriswoman. Whoever she is - she comes between HoA and AoW - there is only one Shard on Scandrial - Harmony. Perhaps she was there on Sazed's plan. ...SA. And the actual point ... ... AoL and SoS. Odium's visit on Sel probably was before the prelude on Roshar and I was allways asking myself, why this hadn't destroyed the civilisation on Sel. Yes, there are problems, but I would have thought of an greater impact. And another point with Sel - even with the second book we don't see the actual time, only history. But it is necessary to release this book before the 3. trilogy Mistborn. This leads me to the question - what's the status quo on Sel at the time of the next trilogy? How much had technology and magic, society and culture evolved in all this years?

Perhaps a little history would be helpful... There was a planet named Scandrial with millions of people, of cultures, of religions - until the moment Rashek decides to mess up. Most of the population died except "his" own empire and the back-up plan - the so called southern Scandrial. What do we know? Very little - they were from the same gene-pool like our better known people from the Final Empire - they have had all this little part from Preservation, if .... On to the questions: How had Rashek thought this humans to survive? Did he change their genetics similiar to the people in his empire? Who were they? Part of the Terrismen? A homogenic group or a mix of all out of the original cultures? Rashek wasn't able to supervice this humans after he has given back the power of Preservation - did he leave someone in charge? Or were they independent? He was activly hindering the progress in his empire - was there someone doing this job in this region or were this people free to evolve? If so in which direction? If they were adapted to the new environment did Sazed also change them back - they are now his responsibility like the people of Elentel. What is the real name of this people? How did they evolve? Did they have a religion like the one in the Final Empire with a "god" like Raskek or did there one of the original religions survive? Do they use one of the metalic arts? And - is there a connection to this child from Rashek? For me the future clash of this two culture is a possibility for the author to make a big twist, because of the freedom to evolve a population with the same rules, but without the same history.

A few questions to the messenger: If he was sent from Taravangian, he has to be someone Mr T. trusts. He is at this moment the one holding the Oathstone, the power over Szeth, technically he is the new master and would be able to use Szeth for his own goal. Is there someone whom Taravangian trusts so much? For only being a messenger he knows too much - about Szeth killing Gavilar, about his abilities. How? A messenger wouldn't need such a background, if he was only told to deliver the list. He says in this interlude, he has watched Szeth. Who else confirmes he was watching Szeth since the assassination?

When you enter a bookshop looking for a book which would be able to ease the pain waiting for the next Sanderson book and end up on recommenting and selling SA to the bookseller, who haven't read one of this books.

I'm not sure, if there ever was a pronunciation - perhaps, but it's not an actual language. Mr Sanderson has spoken of the Rosetta Stone and this was the key to hieroglyphs, not the spoken egyptian language. Only a writing system with the geography as the writing matrix and with the chasm line the Aons have to be modified to connect again with the new base. In every written language you need the same shape for letters to be able to communicate. At the end of the book Raoden seems to recognize ancient Fjordell characters in the bones of one of the priests - we don't know this language, but it's although a writing system with access to the Dor. I have to reread TES, but in Elantris people of all the three magical systems are starting to shine - Raoden - obviously - Shuden and Hrathen's arm, the one with the deformed form. Personally I don't think it's impossible to "dance" a writing - not in a book from Brandon Sanderson.

With the systematic of Hangul the chasm line could be changing the sound of a letter and so the whole word. Hangul has a form of such a line: Basically there are two vokals - | sound "ee" like in "tree" - sound "oo" like in "brook" And there is a little line which changes the sound of - as an example - | : with it on the left, "ee" becomes "u" like in "up", on the right we get "a" like in "far". Adding this line changes most of the basic letters. Now the Moon Sceptre as a "Rosetta Stone" is starting to make more sense - it looks like the communication with the Dor bases on different writing systems/languages.

Aww - once again I'm in awe about Mr Sanderson's ability to surpass my bad feelings. I was expecting Dalinar as a warlord, a ruthless fighter for his goals, but not a sociopath. Without the Thrill he nearly doesn't show any emotions, he doesn't even need a reason for killing. A few thoughts: "Why...why we..." The enemy - we don't get a name or a reason for this attack - hadn't had a clue what is happening. If they were opposing Gavilar it wouldn't be necessary to ask. Perhaps some other Highprince wanted this Princedom for his loyality to Gavilar (yes, totally speculative, but....). Kaladin This was a slap in my face - the discrepance between the reaction to a salute. In WoK it's something honourable - within the rules of war - now Dalinar only thought is: "Idiot". Szeth I have never expected to see a Dalinar who reminds me of his arc - only without consciousness and oathstone. Gavilar as a "owner" and Dalinar as his weapon. Dalinar He can't even remember being young - was he born this way or is it perhaps the result of something like a cranial trauma? As a part of a warrior-sociaty this wouldn't be unusual. Last thought - this isn't the end of the chapter - how much worse will this become?

I was only using this word "rust" because the author has started with "Rust and Ruin".