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Thank you! It could very well be like you said, all one scene where they reunite against one real big bad. A separate big bad has been spoiled online, but I do not know how much people would or would not like to know, so I won't say. That is an interesting idea too regarding each house having its own level of difficulty/style. Well theoretically if my theory is correct, each character would need three. One from before the time skip, one for after the time skip but they are the chosen house, and one for after the time skip but they were not the chosen house. It would be additional work, but I really hope they all don't end up joining forces right after the time skip, so you get access to all the houses, making the initial choice in my mind pointless. The treehouse gameplay where the woman makes the point to say how choosing your house might lead to which side of the war you end up on to come makes me hope which house you pick does matter in so far as requiring multiple play throughs to play with all the characters. Hope so too!

I am confused by what you are saying. Could you clarify? My point is that as per the doctrine told to us in the novel, what Wyrn says is treated as the voice of god on this earth. Anything Wyrn writes is considered holy scripture. The orders to kill everyone near Elantris and Teod is considered directly from their God. The monasteries and everything those monasteries do is considered as decreed by their god. So it is not an act of a political leader. it is not an act the individual assassin. It is as per their religion a literal act of god. So it is their religion committing those acts. edit: to elaborate further, that was the whole reason for Hrathen's crisis of faith. Dilaf showed him the orders he got from Wyrn. Those orders are treated as deific decree. Dilaf is higher ranked than Hrathen, and as a head of a monastery is treated as an extension of Wyrn. So Hrathen was told that his god literally commands all these people to die. Hrathen didn't want that to happen, but to prevent it means saying he thinks his god is wrong. A god that his religion teaches is infallible. Wyrn as his god's voice is taught by his religion to be infallible. There is no chance of miscommunication. Wyrn is the direct line to their God. Disobeying Wyrn, means disobeying god.

Again, since it is a theocracy, and Wyrn is their god's voice, and all things that flow through Wyrn are divine edicts, then their god as they understand it is condoning, and encouraging assassination as well as the rituals that go on in the Dakhor monastery. A government can claim deniability, or end justifies the means, etc. But as a theocracy, and how it is structured, to me it is saying their god is telling them assassination is ok, should be encouraged, trained, and used. It changes it from the personal choice of the ruler, to a command from god. It is the equivalency of making a commandant "Thou shalt kill under cloak of night by any means necessary so long as I command it"

That's why I made a point of stating that is the problem of a theocracy merging state and religion. The assassins and dakhor monks are viewed as a holy command directly from their god through Wyrn all the way to the monastery gragnet. So it is considered religious doctrine. The monasteries train assassins and dakhor monks, so that would constitute evil to me. But that is more on a technicality than the goal of the novel.

Already asked and I already answered. If that doesn't work for you, then guess at the end of the day you will have to wait till the next Threnody novel/short story to get your answers 100 years? Her grandmother settled "hell". Silence said her grandmother was among the first to settle. Her grandmother was alive long enough for Silence to know her and grow up with her. That doesn't sound like 100 years to me. As to how do deer handle the shades during the day, again already asked and answered. Shades drift away during the day. They do not react to running. There are whole settlements open to shades where people go about their normal business among the shades no problem. Again quoted for your reference already. Again already asked and again already answered. I wish you luck with your....not theory? I guess I wish you luck finding the answers you seek? And again, i feel I have covered all the issues brought forward with quotes. If they don't work for you, then i wish you luck when further novels/short stories come out that will hopefully satisfy you. Weltall says what I was pretty much thinking Great minds think alike!

No worries. Just didn't know if I was missing something.

So this is unlikely I think because of what Claude says when the three reunite, but I wonder if the scenes from after the time skip are not all the same. As in we think they all meet like that, but in reality they took clips from three separate play throughs. That depending on which house you picked, the other rulers come out differently, potentially in opposition to you. So for instance, Dimitri could have become a bad guy stating to kill them all, while Edelguard became a cold and distant empress, but Claude is still nice and fun Claude because this play through had you picking his house. Another play through with Edelguard for instance would have her semi similar to her younger self, while Claude would look different and maybe all screwed up like Dimitri, and so on. Thoughts?

Can i ask why you titled this post proto-radiants instead of proto-ghostbloods?

That sounds great and I really hope she is playable too! Maybe her own story line, and gameplay where hers is more magic orientated while link is still more sword and board orientated.

Well they had been watching Shallan while her bond with Pattern had regressed. Don't see why they couldn't still be observing during the bond. Theoretically even if she does kill Pattern, they got to watch what led up to his death, to learn to try a different approach or different person. They also tried with Tien and Elhokar so they could be doing a sampling size of various backgrounds and sexes. Shallan was a young girl when she initially bonded Pattern. Tien a young boy. Elhokar an adult, but ruler and lighteyes while Tien was a villager and darkeyes.

I wonder if it has to do with people having a stronger cognitive presence or effect on the cognitive realm? Because it does mention that shades that have been that way longer begin to lose their form, and look less cohesive. So overtime they are unable to maintain the shape possibly because the awareness of who they were degrades over time? Silence's grandmother is recent enough that she remembers SIlence. Perhaps animals could be turned into shades, but because they lack that sapience, they degrade so quickly, they do not last, and are never seen?

Though one could argument it certainly crosses a line once you take into account monasteries that train assassins and Dakhor monks. But that is also a problem when you combine state and religion into a theocracy.

Yeah, it is more what cfphelps wrote. Pattern says they want to understand humans and the bond better. They come off very much like scientists experimenting. Though in their case, they do not mind the idea of losing themselves so long as they learn something new.

I'm sorry, my mind muddled it for a moment, the third truth was with Jasnah to prove she could soulcast she admitted she killed her father. The fourth was the mother at the end of Words of Radiance. I think I understand what you are saying better. I disagree slightly, but it is more a minor nitpick regarding wording/interpretation than any substantive so I do not think it would add anything to the discussion to continue on it. I wish you luck with your theory!

Ah gotcha. I disagree, and lend towards with Scion of the Mists posted regarding resonances, but now I understand better what you are saying. Thanks!

So before I begin, to be clear, the following comments are in no way intended to disprove your theory, say your theory is wrong, or it is right. It is not to nitpick what you wrote, nor if this statement disputes this portion of your post, does it intend to imply the rest of your theory is disputed. Just seeking clarity on this part and only this part Now having said that. I was given the impression that the reason Shallan had a shardblade as of Way of Kings is she blocked out the associated truth, and treated the shardblade in her mind, as a dead shardblade, not pattern/sprenblade. Pattern then forces her to confront that truth at the end of Words of Radiance, that she says she cannot push down anymore, so she shunts it off to Radiant, because she knows its not Pattern's fault. So she doesn't want to kill Pattern, but she also doesn't want to acknowledge him, so "Radiant" acknowledges him, thereby still having the truth, but Shallan "herself" not dealing with it.

Could you clarify? The way I am reading this is you are saying the windrunner's resonance is the strength of the squires, and spiritual gravitation is why they have squires at all. If that is the case, we have confirmed that other orders also get squires. Orders that do not have the surges adhesion nor gravitation. How do they have squires?

To my knowledge what is confirmed: 1. Radiants swear oaths to advance. there is an upper limit 2. Lightweavers swear personal truths past the first oath 3. those truths are personal and come from great personal realization The quote you provided can totally be interpreted the way you state. It can also be interpreted to say that like Shallan, that individual could not face his next truth so he could not advance. Just saying it isn't confirmed. Good luck with your theory!

Not replying as we are agreeing to disagree based on your last part of this post Not replying as we are agreeing to disagree based on your last part of this post But.....the quote says gardener.....not shoemaker...... gardener and shoemaker are two different people....... Not replying as we are agreeing to disagree based on your last part of this post Not replying as we are agreeing to disagree based on your last part of this post Good luck with your theory. I will assume you wish me luck with mine. Thanks!

I was too, and only realized it was a time skip because a youtuber titled their video that it is a time skip and then it all made sense. I thought "old" edelguard was just the flame emporer unmasked, that claude just grew facial hair, and I thought "old demitri" was a new character lol. Once I saw timeskip, it all made sense

I was on the fence on the idea of a time skip, but seeing that they went through the trouble of redesigning at the least the main three to reflect the time pass makes me hyped and hoping the other characters are similarly affected.

As I have said at least 5 times in this thread, I am more than happy to agree to disagree

I am still holding out hope for Rysn larceryn dragon rider lol. She could be radiant or not, but riding her larkin all grown up into battle is a must for me lol

To the best of my knowledge, no this has not been confirmed. Not saying Alderant or Kargas are wrong nor am I saying they are right. Only that it has not been confirmed.

My statement still stands. So wiping out an entire city of people (actually more but I would rather not google the exact radius on this computer), exempts them? My point still stands I have already replied to this 3 times. At this point I am just repeating myself. Nale was a thing since Honor died. For me, if the sacrifice relies on Nale to maintain the ban on bonding, then I still maintain having humans and spren work together on the ban would have been better than a suicide pact coupled with a secret society. So such a sacrifice plan does not make sense for me. And if the plan was that the sacrifice was to scare all the spren straight from bonding, without any other means to prevent said bond, then the sacrifice to me was pointless because ultimately radiants will still bond, and whatever the reason for the sacrifice to begin with will happen anyway. So unless included in the plan is a regular sacrifice of all bonded knights agreeing to do so again and again every however many years, the sacrifice does not work because it cannot by itself accomplish its goal. Ok, I will post the quote yet again Words of Radiance page 684 "You realize I didn't choose you" he said "I wanted to pick a distinguished Iriali matron. A grandmother, an accomplished gardener. But no, the Ring said we should choose you. She has visited the Old magic they said. Our mother has blessed her they said. She will be young and we can mold her they said. Well, they don't have to put up with-" As per that quote Wyndle wanted to bond a gardener. Not the circle. Wyndle. And again Odium had already been a thing before as it is now, and that didn't stop them from killing their spren back then. I find it very hard to believe that a single mass suicide could scare spren and their offspring enough to prevent radiants from bonding. Now that we established what we both find hard to believe, I yet again, agree to disagree. It works for you. It doesn't for me. I wish you luck with your theory.