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Shallan has made nesting illusions (as in wearing just a shift, and putting an illusion of shirt and pants, and then illusion of a dress) at Urithiru (no perp), and at Kholinar (no perp). Those illusions as I said require the clothing to be able to flow naturally with her form, otherwise you get the model programming issue I mentioned in my last post. So we have see it be done without a perp. Already covered that in my last post. Have you read the light bringer series? Actually let me just quote myself again instead of typing it all over again: "I see it working like the paryl drafters from the Lightbringer series. everything would be invisible except the pupils, so the lightweaver would need to look down at the ground while they walk so their pupils are not as visible, or find ways of avoiding detection of their pupils. "

So few things. First, we saw Shallan quickly cover herself from head to toe with the color black to blend in to the shadow she was standing in to avoid Amaram. So not only can lightweavers make illusions without having to draw them or shape them first (Pattern was perplexed as to why she felt she needed to), but it is also possible to make quick color changes across your body. Second, if Shallan could only create stationary illusions, I would agree with you, but that is not the case. If we were only talking Shallan early on, then I would again agree with you, but again that is not the case. Let us take an illusion of everybody's prize boy Adolin. If that illusion runs forward, the illusion has to account for the legs moving, the arms moving. The illusion has to account for the movement of the clothing rippling in the breeze as he runs. If the illusion swings a sword, the illusion has to account for all the various folds of the clothing changing across the body. Video game modeling is a prime example of this. The characters in Fire Emblem are beautifully drawn, and move animatedly with their dialogue. The problem? When Dorothea (who has long hair that drapes over the front of her shoulders) turns her head to the right, the hair remains rigid and sticks out like it is laying across something invisible. Shallan's illusions are reactive. For those reasons I think it is possible for Shallan to cover herself with an illusion head to toe that mimics her surroundings. If you really want to push it, then add to it there is pattern to help with the maintenance. I see it working like the paryl drafters from the Lightbringer series. everything would be invisible except the pupils, so the lightweaver would need to look down, or find ways of avoiding detection of their pupils.

The same quote includes: "that a “place” for women must be defined and set forth to begin with. Half of the population must somehow be reduced to the role arrived at by a single conversation. No matter how broad that role is, it will be—by nature—a reduction from the infinite variety that is womanhood. I say that there is no role for women—there is, instead, a role for each woman, and she must make it for herself. For some, it will be the role of scholar; for others, it will be the role of wife. For others, it will be both. For yet others, it will be neither. Do not mistake me in assuming I value one woman’s role above another. My point is not to stratify our society—we have done that far too well already—my point is to diversify our discourse. A woman’s strength should not be in her role, whatever she chooses it to be, but in the power to choose that role." Looks like she is saying a woman should be able to choose any role. She just used two (scholar and wife) as two examples. She states a woman could choose neither, and do something completely different. Vorinism has stratified their society. Jasnah is saying a woman should be able to choose. Not to be nitpicky, but I do not see everyone agreeing with you on that. You responded to Config that you do not see that coming up. Eugenides then responded that if the Vorin Church was destroyed, then Jasnah would not have that conflict. I responded that based on what I read of the book, Jasnah is not directly opposed to Vorinism. She is accepting of all religions. What she is opposed to is the stratification, and limitation the Vorin religion has imposed on the culture and society. That it tries to prevent questions. That it forces people into roles that they would not other wise have chosen. So even if the Vorin Church was destroyed, the systemic problems in the culture and society would still prevail, and need to be over come. Which would to me, still be a conflict for Jasnah.

In the book she is quoted on writing a paper on a womans role in the world. That women should be able to chose to go beyond house work, or be able to do house work if it pleases them. That she does not want to be misconstrued to be saying that house work is something to be looked down upon. It is not. Just that a woman should be able to choose. I'll come up with the quote later Words of Radiance page 772 (shallan is reading a book by Jasnah) "What is a woman’s place in this modern world? Jasnah Kholin’s words read. I rebel against this question, though so many of my peers ask it. The inherent bias in the inquiry seems invisible to so many of them. They consider themselves progressive because they are willing to challenge many of the assumptions of the past. They ignore the greater assumption—that a “place” for women must be defined and set forth to begin with. Half of the population must somehow be reduced to the role arrived at by a single conversation. No matter how broad that role is, it will be—by nature—a reduction from the infinite variety that is womanhood. I say that there is no role for women—there is, instead, a role for each woman, and she must make it for herself. For some, it will be the role of scholar; for others, it will be the role of wife. For others, it will be both. For yet others, it will be neither. Do not mistake me in assuming I value one woman’s role above another. My point is not to stratify our society—we have done that far too well already—my point is to diversify our discourse. A woman’s strength should not be in her role, whatever she chooses it to be, but in the power to choose that role. It is amazing to me that I even have to make this point, as I see it as the very foundation of our conversation."

There was a data leak that there are new classes coming. A warmonk, and dark flier among them

The institution may be able to be destroyed, but the cultural impact would take time to change. Jasnah runs counter to Vorinism not only on a religious level as an Athiest, but she also disagrees with the separation of of "Arts" into masculine and feminine disciplines. Breaking the society and culture out of that will take time. So I believe even if the Vorin church was annihilated, Jasnah would still be seen as a cultural revolutionary

So trying to dig to find out, but does anyone know how the levin sword works with skills that specify sword or magic? It is a sword, and it uses the magic stat. So if a character gets +20 avoid when using magic, does the levin sword count or since it is a sword, it does not? I assume it does not, but I am curious.

I could see that happening.

This is just an off the cuff guess, going from my own experience. Basically there have been times I have gone to a book store, and as I walk through, there are big signs stating "such and such author to do reading from their new acclaimed book at such and such time!". Sometimes I completely ignore it. Sometimes I go, "hmmm what does this person write?". I look it up, and if it is in fantasy, I read the synopsis, and decide if I want to give it a shot. Not all signings of Brandon work that way, but I could see it as being a form of advertising to those who happen to be in the area/place. edit: actually to take things further, it would benefit even more in locations he is unheard of, or there is only a small fandom as his books will go from the corner of the fantasy section that people may just pass by, to on display by the entrance advertising the reading/signing going on that day.

But she isn't the best cosmere magic scholar ever yet. This is potentially where she gets started. I am of course assuming you are referring to Khriss?

Well the whole reason for the separate thread was because yourself and others argued that the surge of transportation for a radiant was not instantaneous. I posted the information I thought supported that it was instantaneous. We last left off with you stating you feel the soldier flying was a force push. I responded that I am of the camp it was plate, and transportation does not necessarily work in that manner. Please continue.

I agree. Otherwise I end up worrying it will go the opposite extreme of George R.R. Martin, where instead of adding gravity to the characters, it just removes attachment to them because they will randomly die.

I am sorry but I feel you are miss-representing me, especially when you have practically said the same exact thing as I have, just in regards to Adolin and Shallan. I have posted your post and mine below side by side. If me expressing my opinion is the equivalency to me saying you have to think the way I do, then you have done the same. I do not understand why what I have said can be received in such a counter manner You said: I do agree with your perspective of what love is - not a feeling but a decision, a commitment, and an active effort. I just don't see that any of that was built up in the Shallan/Adolin plot. Throughout WoR and most of OB the relationship was sort of coasting along based on expectations of the engagement and not based on deep feelings or emotions for each other. It also did not seem like either had a strong desire to be married to each other for less romantic reasons like family honor, etc. They enjoyed each other's company and were physically attracted to each other, but never seemed like a pair that would have gotten together if it weren't for the fact that they were in an arranged engagement for political reasons before they ever met. Shallan in particular seemed to care very little about her relationship and seemed to place it very low on her priority list. She was never against it, but she was never trying to actively advance the relationship either. The sudden choice of getting married which Shallan seemed to justify to herself based on deep feelings that Adolin was the one for her felt out of place. There weren't any strong feelings shown on screen except in one scene and really only from Adolin's side. It felt wrong and unearned to me. Had Shallan's choice been justified based on the fact that she believes marrying Adolin is the right thing to do based on all the logical reasons (politics, already engaged, etc) and that they enjoy each other's company and can make the marriage work, then great. That would have felt right and in context. I didn't get that sense. By contrast, Kaladin's feelings toward Shallan were well developed and built up slowly. They were not simply placed together before they ever met, Kaladin made the active choice to pursue her at a meaningful cost to himself (at least in terms of romance) and developed feelings toward her completely of his own accord. Shallan never had romantic feelings for Kaladin and that was also well written. She actually actively thought about him and figured out how she felt over time on multiple occasions. But, now that a month has passed on this one, I'll just say to each their own on this. Different people pick up on different things and it seems like to some people they felt like there were a lot of hints and clues that Adolin and Shallan really wanted to be together. I never got that sense, but that could just be my own tastes. I said: I guess I don't see the need. Why does Kaladin have to be the one to protect Gavinor? He has no familial connection. He did not bond with the child over time (like Skar and Drehy). He did not think of Gavinor when depressed over Kholinar. Skar and Drehy did a perfectly good job while Kaladin was off handling other issues. They handled things very well in a war zone. Why would Kaladin or anyone else think it has to be him to step up and guard Gavinor when Skar and Drehy can just as easily do so and have more of a reason to? Why wouldn't Jasnah give Skar and Drehy a commendation for going above and beyond in preserving the royal line. if anyone should be watching Gavinor, it should be his heroes Skar and Drehy. So I feel it artificially injects emotions in Kaladin towards Gavinor just to put him in a position to force two characters together. For myself you couldn't get more artificial. That is just one I posted, but I personally do not see the difference between how I spoke and how you spoke. You do not see any build up between Adolin and Shallan. The things people mentioned did not work for you. You explained why and ended it to each their own. I did not take what you said to mean others had to see things the way you do. My intention was not to do that either. edit: know what? never mind. I am done with this.

Honestly I don't really see where I ever said you had to see things my way, or agree with me. I feel all I have been saying is I personally do not see it and why. Feel free to do the thought experiment as you wish. For myself, as I said in my response to Karger: "So I guess good luck to those who believe the ship. If it happens, I hope you get all you wanted. if it doesn't, I hope you still get the development you sought from the relationship in another manner. " edit: I should probably just leave it, but to put it another way. If Person A believes in the ship and puts forward gavinor as a reason the ship will happen. Then Person B does not believe in the ship, but does a thought experiment on how it could happen and puts forward gavinor as a potential reason the ship could hypothetically happen, then my response in both scenarios would be the same. I would list why I do not think gavinor would play a part in my opinion, which is why I personally do not see the ship happening, or the hypothetical from occurring. But in both circumstances my intention was never to tell Person A they were not allowed to believe in the ship, nor tell Person B they were not allowed to work out the thought experiment. So I believe in both circumstances I was discussing in good faith.

I wouldn't say my cat is stupid, but one day a firefly found its way into my house. My cats are great hunters. Anytime a cricket rears its head, they tear it apart. So I thought my boy would knock it down, and pin it while I get a paper towel to finish it off and throw it away. I come back and my cat's mouth is foaming. I freak out, and use a wet wash towel to clean his mouth. He seems fine, but it seems he didn't swallow the fire fly, because I see it pop up on the couch. My cat, who just had the worst taste in his mouth, and started foaming, ran full tilt towards the bug again to try and get it. I had to pick him up and put him in the other room to have enough time to kill it. I later look online, and find out the bioluminesce in fireflies are poisonous to cats, some dogs (dependent on size), and small children. It is bad enough that I had to call poison control. Cats can die from it. Luckily I think he just sank his teeth in, and then spat it out, so he didn't swallow it and was fine. Yet he was more than ready to give it another go. So long story to say, if it looks like a meal, walks like a meal, sounds like a meal. Poisonous or not, an animal will try to eat it. edit: To give you an idea on how I perceive the intelligence of my cat. He learned that if he kneads the curtains over the radiator (without using his claws so they won't be shredded), it makes a vibration noise loud enough to wake up my wife and I. That way since we are awake, we can feed him. We jokingly call it "ringing the bell". Since then we found ways to prevent that, so he has found other ways to try and get us to do so.

LOL. Ultimately I think what it comes down to it is what is central to my understanding of Jasnah and Kaladin means they would not get together, and if they did it would not work. That core part of my understanding of them would by extension see any reason to get them together as artificial and forced. So this has become less a discussion, and more an attempt to convince me, when me pointing to my thread on Jasnah is essentially (i did not realize this originally but do now) me saying my mind cannot be changed. Kind of saying "That is Jasnah to me. That Jasnah would not get in a relationship with Kaladin." So it is kind of unfair to all to continue to bring up reasons that Jasnah and Kaladin would work, just for me to say all the reasons why that new reason would not work for me. I think I adequately related my stance at length, so me responding to further reasons would I think be counter productive. So I guess good luck to those who believe the ship. If it happens, I hope you get all you wanted. if it doesn't, I hope you still get the development you sought from the relationship in another manner.

You and anyone else are perfectly entitled to think it is reasonable for Kaladin and Jasnah to get together. I personally disagree that we should start from a place of "Kaladin and Jasnah get together" and then "lets find good reasons why they would". Personally I feel the process is the reverse. Notice things that are developing, either individually, or together for the characters, that then show they may end of together. So perhaps that is why I do not see what everyone else does? It is the equivalency to me of saying Renarin and Lyn should get together. They have had no interactions one on one at all, but now they are in bridge 4 together, they are male and female, and they both feel separate from the main stream for separate reasons. Lyn would teach Renarin to be more assertive in his feelings and stand up for himself, while Renarin would teach Lyn to be more thoughtful on her actions before she takes them. Because they are both members of bridge 4, they will end up spending all the time together, and after the 1 year gap, we will see subtle glances, lingering hand holding, blushing, and etc. For me I do not see it. Renarin is not with bridge 4 as much anymore because he is still trying to find where he "belongs". They welcome him as himself, but as Rock said, he has to decide for himself what he wants from life. That maybe being a scholar isn't so bad after all. Interest in Lyn would result in him spending more time with bridge 4, and thinking he has to be more martial. Could they potentially bond over trying to break gender norms? (her wanting to be in a male dominated area, while Renarin in a female dominated one) Sure! But I do not see it being romantic, and I do not see romance benefiting the characters. Renarin is already on that path, and he already has the help of Jasnah, Dalinar, Navani, and Adolin. The relationship would just be extra. Which isn't a problem in and of itself, but getting to that relationship is when we have, in my opinion, no foundation for it. That is what I am trying to say with Jasnah and Kaladin. I feel like it is taking two magnets and instead of turning them at opposing poles, so they are naturally draw to each other till they link, it is taking two magnets, and directing the same poles at each other, and then coming up with circumstances to push the magnets together, and then adding glue to keep it there. The magnets of the same poles naturally repel each other, so why add outside forces to push them together, and then add an additional outside force to keep them there? Could Jasnah do something that makes Kaladin suddenly drop everything, utterly lost in her eyes, and embrace her confessing his deepest love for her? Sure! Could Kaladin do something to cause Jasnah to hop into Kaladin's lap and beg him to marry her? Sure! Could a meteor suddenly shoot through space and hit Braize at just the right place to throw Braize out of orbit, resulting in Odium no longer being a threat to Roshar? (not talking mechanics) Sure! Anything could theoretically happen. Just based on my reading of the characters, I do not see/beleive: 1. the need for the characters to get involved (they will make each other better. I disagree) 2. the reason they would get involved (They will raise Gavinor together. I disagree) 3. they are attracted to each other (Jasnah smiled after a fight with Kaladin, they are both intelligent. I disagree) 4. it would progress the characters (give Jasnah an arc and help Kaladin progress in his oaths. I disagree) Repeatedly throughout my posts I never said anyone was wrong. I hoped what I conveyed is that my personal reading and understanding of Kaladin and Jasnah says to me they would not get together. That the reasons I have read do not feel plausible to me to lead to their involvement. People are more than welcome and entitled to think otherwise and I wish them luck with their ship. Just for myself, the ship does not sail, and the reasons I have stated in this thread, as well as referenced in the Jasnah thread (which I reference because instead of going over stuff I already went over, I figure it is better to just point to a place I went into it) are why it does not sail for me. Jasnah as the character I have read, would not get involved with Kaladin. The thread I linked shows Jasnah the character I have read. I totally acknowledge Brandon could write them together and it be wonderful and amazing. And I will be the first eager to read it. But to me saying something could happen, does not mean it is likely to happen. I could say I could win a million bucks tomorrow. Since I do not normally buy lottery tickets, me as a character would be unlikely to win a million bucks. So if someone said to me the reader that me the character will win a million bucks in the next chapter because they think money will benefit me as the character, I will answer I do not see it. The character has taken no actions to make me believe they would win a million bucks, so although I acknowledge it could happen, there is nothing that makes me believe it would. So that ship does not sail for me.

Tinfoil hat theory. The anomaly is the bit of ruin hanging out that when the planet of Nalthis came across it in its rotation around the sun happened to be the moment Vasher and his wife made nightblood. That is why nightblood has some ruin, and why making nightblood seems to be a unique occurrence. This would be especially twisted because it would mean Vasher wouldn't have needed to kill his wife, because nightblood would be unable to be replicated till the planet was in alignment again.

Sounds fair to me

There is a difference to me (and I believe to Jasnah) between a fool and someone less intelligent. Taravangian appeared less intelligent than a lot of people. He was derided and ignored by the highlords of his own city that he rules, yet when Shallan nearly made a cutting comment to the king, and admitted to it later, Jasnah admonished her. She said that someone like Taravangian is someone to be admired and respected for trying to make peace instead of war. Just because his intelligence seemed less, did not change the respect she felt for him. Conversely have someone like Kabsal show up and try to convert her and or steal from her, and he will be considered a fool that she has no time for. Please really read the thread I linked you to. There are plenty of examples of Jasnah working with people of various backgrounds, and treating them with the respect and deference they deserve. From sailors, to religious scholars, to ardents, to soldiers, other scholars and so on. I do not see that a relationship is required for her to be capable of these things. I do not think Kaladin needs an "infusion" of logic either. I think he needs to grow and learn responsibility is not always on his shoulders, but that isn't so much logic as acceptance of bodily autonomy. Again, I really ask you to read the thread I posted. From what I have researched, she isn't holding herself to this ideal "perfection". She is presenting a face in order to exist in a male, religious dominated world. Logic and reason are her shield. She deeply loves and cares for her family, and humanity on whole with how hard she worked herself to exhaustion in researching the desolations to stop them. That is why I continually find problems with these ships. It always comes across to me, and I am sorry to say this, but as if the person has no understanding of Jasnah as a character, and figured she is available, lets pair her off. There is a whole lot of depth to Jasnah that I feel tells me that a relationship with Kaladin would not happen and not work. I do not think Kaladin needs to control himself. That is what Lirin kept telling him and that never worked. I think he needs to learn to respect other people's choices, which he is starting to learn at the end of Oathbringer. I do not feel Jasnah is required for him to grow in this regard. If it happened off screen then as Kon-Tiki stated, I would buy it even less. It would feel forced because any gradual development that would be natural, would not exist. We would be told, instead of shown. I agree. edit: instead of constantly picking apart other people's thoughts on Jasnah and Kaladin. I will say this. I continually see the arguments as to why they should be together are: 1. Jasnah needs an arc. Her and kaladin coming together and being stronger for it is an arc. Without that, what arc does she have? A. Jasnah and Renarin working to understand his corrupted spren is an arc that involves relationships, with someone she loves B. Jasnah confronting her history in the dark room screaming, as she wondered if she is insane with the help of Ivory is an arc. Teft had hints of a dark past. Then hints of addiction popped up. Then he was full on back slide. He then confronted and over came his addiction with the help of his spren. All without a relationship. Why can't Jasnah do the same? 2. Jasnah needs Kaladin to help her become more emotional. That is her flaw. If she does not have that as a flaw, then she has no flaws and is an uninteresting character. A. Jasnah has been hurt in the past trusting people she loved. Yet she still loves and trusts her family. This has resulted in a paranoia that is well founded because she has survived multiple assassination attempts. Maintaining that trust and love in her family, while trying to remain safe while letting herself feel vulnerable to them is a very difficult balance to maintain. Once again, a romantic relationship is not needed. Finally Brandon has said the reason why the focus was not on Jasnah and Renarin in the first five books, is there is too much to unpack. There were too many people with big parts to play. So he has to be careful with bringing them out, because as he said with Renarin, he is a "pandoras" box. Same with Taln. The first five is not meant to put a spot light on Jasnah. That is for the back five. edit2 Little tid bit. Jasnah's "original" arc was Taln showing up claiming to be a herald. No one believed him including her. Then she researched, and began to believe him, and championed his cause. Brandon ultimately changed this, because as I said, he felt too much was going on at the same time, so Jasnah, Renarin, and Taln were shunted to the back five.

I think we are getting bogged down with words and semantics. I never said nor intended to say it will always 100 percent go that way. I explained that factors happening around the radiant may affect it. You (unless I misunderstand in which case I apologize), are stating its entirely individualistic, and since the spren of an order tend to go towards certain people, those people tend to be the types to lend towards one surge over the other. I believe neither of us are stating it is rigid and will occur 100 percent of the time. We just seem to disagree regarding the "source". Hopefully this will clarify things further My take: Line up 20 radiants from a random distribution of orders. Of those 20, based on what order they belong to, I can reasonably guess what was the first surge the focused on and are better at. There is a chance I will be wrong, as some may have emulated another person from a different order first, or through circumstances in their life outside their control, they learned another surge over the other. Your take: Line up 20 radiants from a random distribution of orders. Of those 20, based on what order they belong to, you think there may be a trend based on their order, because of the type of person that tends to join it. Personal preference accounts for any that contradict that trend. Did I adequately illustrate the difference?

So although I do not think this will "win the war" for Sel, I did just want to point something out. Bloodsealing I think could be quite the feather in Sel's cap that the OP said is included, but no one has really commented on. Awakening is theoretically easier in so far as using one breath per lifeless, but it is still a depreciating resource. That is a breath used on a lifeless that is lost when the lifeless is destroyed. Conversely, (from what little we know), so long as a bloodsealer has corpses, and blood, he can create Skeletals all day everyday. Skeletals are very limited in what they can do (since Shai for instance was able to fight one off), but still being able to turn any losses on any side into a fresh troop to absorb/draw attacks I think is quite the boon. Elantrians can be blasting, teleporting and so on with their aons, while forgers essentially act as an assembly line, turning crude weapons (such as rusted axes, widdled arrows, and so on) into fresh weapons for the battlefield, while skeletals march forward with Dakhor monks running among them taking out any dedicated targets. After the battle, when the wounded retreat, the skeletals grab fresh bodies from the battlefield to join their ranks. Again, not saying this means they will win, just thought it would be a nice additional tactic.

I think so. And I also think it would be epic to see a kaiju-esque battle between a thunder clast and an illusion created golem/chasmfiend/dragon what have you. Well the drones mimic real phenomena. So they use a sonic/air attack to replicate a fist hitting you. They use explosions for lightning strikes and so on. So a lightweaver using illumination and transformation to make solid illusions would definitely accomplish that.

I guess what it comes down to is waiting and seeing what is the surge the coming radiants will be using first.

I agree that there would need to be a greater plot motivation for them to come together, and there would need to be time for something to develop. I do not think it would occur, but I agree something more than Gavinor would be required if it were to happen. That is something else that I run counter to the general view. Everyone seems to think something has to happen with Gavinor right now. The Marvel Cinematic Universe is introducing a younger group here and there, hinting at them, but the movie slate does not mention anything regarding those kids. They are just putting them into place, so when they become something, it does not come out of left field. I feel if Gavinor, and Oroden are focused on now to be raised, regardless the effect it has on anyone's relationship, takes away from the current narrative. So I personally do not see it mattering who raises Gavinor because I do not think its intention is to change anything or affect anything in the current narrative. They are too young. Now having said that, I disagree that Gavinor has to have a father figure in order to be raised. I also disagree kaladin would have to be involved or married to Jasnah to provide such. And finally for all the reasons I enumerated earlier, I do not see why Kaladin would take that role for Gavinor. Gavinor already has a family that can accomplish all of that. He has Jasnah, Navani, Dalinar, Adolin, and Renarin. He has sword training ardents in Zahel. I really just don't see why the narrative has to stop to find out who's knee Gavinor bounces on. Yeah, for reasons I already stated on another thread, I do not agree with the arguments put forward that Jasnah is attracted to Kaladin. For instance smiling at the end of the fight? She does the exact same thing with Amaram, and she raises her glowing hand waiting for him to act so she can turn him to smoke. So unless people think Jasnah is the type to kill someone while being attracted to them, I personally don't think that is the case. My biggest problem with these shippings regarding Jasnah some start from this place that Jasnah needs to be "fixed". She has to learn empathy from Kaladin. She has to learn not to kill people from Kaladin. She has to learn to be more emotional from Kaladin. She has to learn to be sentimental from Kaladin. It is why I wrote that long thread which I will reference below. Jasnah has more dimensions than that. And just because she does not need to be taught, does not mean she is flawless. It means she is an autonomous individual that does not need another to define her. People can get into relationships all the time and it benefit or hinder them. But in Jasnah's case I really do not see the need. She is a well developed character as she stands, just in my opinion, the reader just has to look a little deeper to see it. You are right. This is all speculation. Jasnah and Kaladin could end up together and be wonderful. Just from what I see of Jasnah and Kaladin, I personally do not see it being likely.