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Well if aluminum is treated the way it is on earth, then it would be a very common metal. What would be interesting is if a group (whether allomancers or not), ended up doing to aluminum what De Beers did to diamonds. Diamonds are very common, but they rigged the market in order to make millions. Would also be interesting to see aluminum regarded in the same light as diamonds. For the upperclass, aluminum engagement rings and wedding bands. "Show the special lady in your life, the timelessness of your love with aluminum. Rust proof, and allomantic proof, just like your devotion."

LOL, after I wrote it, I remembered the rules for the forum and was not sure how strict it was regarding language (still a relative newbie here), so thought it was best to err on the side of caution.

so he puts his hand in the path of a sun's rays, or in front of a candle. that is touching light

Technically even light has mass and is affected by gravity, so theoretically Kal could lash and warp light

Maybe the trick the bondsmiths pulled (someone suggested this slightly already in another post) involved separating the voidspren from the parshendi. But in order to do so and balance things, the same had to be done to the radiants, thus "killing" their spren? So either kill your closest friend (spren) or have countless more people die.......

Forge yourself to be the spoiled son or daughter of a billionaire with no real world skills. If I understand forging correctly, this would result in your bank account still being zero, but you end up being a jerk too lol

Preparing to haggle in the slave market on Roshar are we? lol

I like the idea, but then why would all the other spren remember it as a betrayal rather than a sacrifice.

Thank you for the additional information king of nowhere. I still disagree that based on that premise alone and the idea that it is magic is enough to imply allomancy/feruchemy could not be prevalent in a modern version of Scadrial's society. However, yes we all could go back and forth as to whether or not a significant portion of the population end up having these abilities, but this wasn't what the core of this thread I had hoped would be. I kind of wanted it to be more a "what if" than a "what its not". Basically focus on what modern day would be like with allomancy/feruchemy, and if it ends up giving us ideas what the new trilogy might have, all the better. So in an effort to keep this thread going in innovation, if you are of the camp that allomancy/feruchemy is a small percentage, then feel free to ring in on how you feel it would affect the society and manifest. If you are of the camp that allomancy/feruchemy would be a large percentage, then feel free to ring in on how you feel it would affect society and manifest. Since I am of the camp it will be a large percentage, I came up with a few more fun ideas below: 1. Building on the sports ideas, what if there are coinshot/lurcher leagues? Basically coinshots stand in front of a anchor, ref holds up a coin between them, then yells "begin!" and they both try to push the coin. Pugilism would go from a bunch of rounds to possibly countless. Or with the inclusion of aluminum burners (i forget the names but the ones that can eliminate all your metal reserves), prior to a bout, they burn away all metals. The participators are then each given a vial of one metal in a certain amount, and then it is up to them how they burn that amount. Some fighters may not burn any pewter till a decisive punch at the end of the match at which point they flare it. Others might burn it low the whole match to help them have a bit extra oomph to work with throughout. Electrum chess players could become all the rage for the same idea. Choosing when to burn it, and how much to anticipate your opponent. 2. Themed bars/inns. The Coinshot's Corner. Lurcher's Lane. The Thug's Tea Time. Could segregation pop up at some point? Allomancers only. Only norms allowed. In warbreaker, people without breath are called dunns, I forget what are people without allomantic abilities called? Was there ever a name for them? 3. Soothers and Rioters a part of every theater troop to help plays get that extra hit to the heart. I had more but I am blanking on them at the moment. Looking forward to hearing others thoughts!

Good point. I will say this though it is a stretch but we saw how Kaladin linked his abilities and being unable to save people as a curse. If the radiants find their powers are being used to kill hundreds, with the end of the desolations only to find out it was all a lie? It is a leap, but one could in order to cope with all the deaths, blame the "source" of their powers, ie spren. Honestly as I type this I don't really feel this to be true, but I am going to post it anyway, on the possibility it may spark some other ideas, or through tossing concepts around lead to what may be the reason.

So couple of thoughts. First, maybe the bondsmiths are the order that didn't sacrifice their spren. Then that might be why the Stormfather, Nightwatcher, and Cuceh (whatever the rest of it is lol) is still around. They were the spren to the three bondsmen. The bondsmiths didn't break the oath, so when the bondsmiths died of natural causes, Stormfather and the rest were free without "dying". Secondly, do we have a time line? I think some has been thrown around here and there, but I am not sure if we have a clear picture. The best guess (which was partly already suggested) I have which could be wrong is this: -Heralds break their oath and abandon Taln -World celebrates that the Desolations are over -Radiants originally a multinational and autonomous police force now no longer has common enemy -Radiants begun separating to their countries of origin -Due to lack of common enemy, countries begin to fight each other -Radiants start being used as a "nuclear action" -countless lives are lost, leaving radiants bitter about ideals, and have either broken their oaths by fighting, or sick of it, break their oaths so as not to be used as such -bonus option, while countries are fighting each other, radiants find out what the heralds really did, feel betrayed and say screw it all and break their oaths. Why should they hold to it, if the heralds they aspire to and follow won't?

I thought that was only regarding atium because it was Ruin's body?

I thought the reason a shard investing in a world was important because it shaped how the magic was accessed? So if you were born on Scadrial, your spirit web was shaped in such a way that you used metals to tap into your spirit web? Go to Roshar and you have to learn how to use stormlight to tap into your spirit web. Go to Sel, and you have to learn how to link to a particular country to access your spirit web and so on. I don't know enough about realmatics to adequately join this debate on the nature of metals, but I will say this. IF the metals were the same across the board, and a mistborn could burn Scadrial iron, roshan iron, sel iron, and so on, I could totally see far in the future, when the planets trade using space ships that Scadrial and Roshan become regular traders. At some point mines for metal could be exhausted but Scadrial could give Roshan scrap (like what happens with the Shin), and Roshan soulcast it into the alloys they use. Scadrial could trade these strange things called chickens and cows that seem to be so rare on Roshan lol.

Be a tourist in another city, and store speed while walking down a crowded sidewalk and taking pictures.

Just don't trip or the party will suuuuuuucccccckkkkkkk.

Oh wow, I had no idea about any of this. Thank you both, and this is why I love this forum! lol. So then that leads to the question, would an human allomancer/feruchemist using their abilities interfere with an allomantic/feruchemal machine? Like if you hold a magnet to a computer? I do like how Chaos uses fabrials as templates to try and figure out how allomantic/feruchemal machines work. We have yet to see radiants actively using fabrials (except for Nale the herald), so I wonder how would a healing fabral interact with an edgedancer for instance?

Awesome essay EMTrevor. My only issue would be (and this detracts from the narrative so I completely understand why you did so), but to try to line up both forces as equally as possible in order to fully discern which would be victorious. So by including smaller Koloss, you are including a variable based on the number of smaller koloss and their heights. A more effective control would be taking a group of Koloss of all the same height, and as close to the troll height as possible to better narrow down the differences in abilities and strengths vs weaknesses. Then if curious, apply different distributions of heights. But like I said, that would completely detract from the narrative you expertly executed, so I do understand why you went the route you did.

Oh, and separate thought, hence the double post. People have been posting about allomantic, feruchemical, and hemalurgic machines. I assumed you all were referring to people with the abilities powering them (example brass feruchemist, sitting in vat of water, using brass to make it boil creating steam to fuel a power plant), but from the sounds of it, you are referring to machines separate from the allomancer/feruchemist. How does this work? It is the first time I have heard of it. Thanks!

At least on some level it seems sDNA works like regular DNA so trying to understand it by extension is possible. I have a quote below of Brandon confirming this with the link to the page: " CHAOS Since the dawn of Scadrial, why was Feruchemy isolated in a single distinct population in the world, namely the Terrismen? Allomancy, while rare within the population of Scadrial, at least was not isolated to one population, it was spread evenly, it seems. What is special about the Terrismen that only they get the power of Feruchemy? Does it have something to do with the previous Ascensions before Rashek, with the guardian keeping the power for a time? BRANDON SANDERSON It's all in the spiritual DNA, which is passed on like normal DNA. However, they are a separate people. They've kept themselves isolated, similar to the jews in our world. When I asked he said there have been some Feruchemical-mistings in the past, but they are very rare." emphasis mine. The link is shown below: http://www.theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=691#6 I also found another quote from another site and different person (not WoB) regarding the different rules: "In Hero of Ages, Sazed's notes explain that before the rise of the Lord Ruler, mistings existed, but not mistborns. The first mistborns were created by the Lord Ruler by ingesting pieces of Preservation's body. Somehow, this power was transferable through lineage (genetics are not necessarily involved) and, as a thousand years passed, its strength decreased. The natural state of allomancers seems to be that of the simple misting, having only one power. This seems to be how Preservation wanted it. The Lord Ruler changed that, however, and the noble families, having more of Preservation's power through lineage, have better chances to produce mistings, the natural occurence of allomancy. Sometimes, though, because of this meddling, Preservation's power is more concentrated in an individual, giving them the power of a mistborn." The link to that is shown below: http://scifi.stackexchange.com/questions/20627/how-do-the-inheritance-of-allomantic-powers-work edit: the way I interpret the above explanation is like a pool of pink water that has pink water flowing in and pink water flowing out. The beads of lerasium is like someone taking an eye dropper of pure red dye, and putting a few droplets in the pool. You get concentrated red for a time, till that becomes diffused, and you go back to having pink water. The pink water being mistings, and the red being mistborn that is. How do genes regarding height function? I do agree with you, I would imagine it is more complex than dominant/recessive, but given the extent of my knowledge in the field, it was the best application I could perscribe. Could you elaborate on your height example?

Lol true it is magic, but isn't referred to as literally spiritual DNA? Strafe is a tineye misting, and has numerous mistresses resulting in Elend with no abilities, a few mistings, and one mistborn. That would support the idea of recessive genes. That Elend's mother did not have the recessive gene, some of the mistresses did have one allele, and Zane's mother might have had both Alleles. Again VERY rudimentary understanding here, so I could be completely butchering the terminology.

So I want to say upfront, I don't know nor fully understand genetics. All I am about to say is literally based on googling and logical deductions extending from that information. It sounds like to me, that allomancy and feruchemy are recessive traits given that they can skip a generation. Recessive genes are MUCH harder to breed out of a population than dominant as they can remain "hidden" through generations. I believe this was manifested when the Lord Ruler tried to breed feruchemy out of the terris men. So in my opinion, based on these thoughts, in a society now open and accepting of allomancy and feruchemy (as of the AoL time), there would be an increase in intermingling which would increase the chance of a recessive gene manifesting. Over a long enough time line this could result in greater and greater portions of the population becoming mistings and maybe even manifesting mistborn traits. So assuming anything I have said is correct, and not a complete misunderstanding of basic genetics, it would be very possible that by the time of the second mistborn trilogy (not referring to the Alloy of Law trilogy, I mean the "present day" trilogy), that a significant portion of the population would be mistings/ferrings. If anyone has a degree in genetics or is more knowledgeable please ring in because I would be very interested to learn more about the potential genetic consequences of allomancy/feruchemy.

Have kandra raid a cemetery of a well known deceased individual and have them walk around for all to see.

Ah my mistake then. Thank you both for further clarifying. It does still slightly confuse me insofar as I guess based off of what you said, by using the spike over and over, it not only takes in the charge but some of the person's identity? Interesting

Ah, it seems my memory likes playing russian roulette regarding accuracy. Win some, lose some lol. Thanks!