Frustration Posted November 4, 2021 Posted November 4, 2021 18 minutes ago, KaladinWorldsinger said: Do we actually know that this is recent? Or could it be be that the process is a lot easier now because of something (BAM or Honor's death) Either way both of those happened after the Radiant bonded, and I highly doubt that a spren in the war effort would accept "Enlightenment" And even if they did, it seems they decided to abandon the Tower rather quickly after BAM binding 19 minutes ago, KaladinWorldsinger said: Because I find the idea that there were 10-20 truthwatchers that could see the future for over 2000 years and somehow it's still believed to be from the enemy. That is very unlikely to me. That assumes the premise that they all could, Bondsmiths started to lose restrictions at that time, why not other orders? 21 minutes ago, KaladinWorldsinger said: And the knights radiant were especially afraid of sja-anat. So they might have Guessed that this was possible Guessed, and had it happen are different things.
+Oltux72 he/him Posted November 4, 2021 Posted November 4, 2021 3 hours ago, Frustration said: Not really, by all indication Sja-anat was only able to corrupt Radiant spren recently. We have no direct records about what Sja-Anat coud do at that time other than an ability to convert animal spren. Everything else is based on conclusions and opinion we have gotten by second or even third hand. The problem there is that Sja-Anat herself was wrong in her assumption about her own capabilities, She considered herself unable to convert an oathgate's spren. She was wrong.
KaladinWorldsinger Posted November 4, 2021 Posted November 4, 2021 1 hour ago, Frustration said: Either way both of those happened after the Radiant bonded, and I highly doubt that a spren in the war effort would accept "Enlightenment" I feel like the radiant in the gem archive is clearly being secretive because he has futuresight because his spren was enlightened. No other reading is jumping out at me. The radiant foresaw thie abandonment of Urithiru. They might actually be a new recruit. A spren can totally choose to be 'enlightened' during the war effect if it wants to. We saw it with glys in the present. We know mistsren are most open to this. It's definitely pospsible one of them chose to be enlightened back in the day. Quote And even if they did, it seems they decided to abandon the Tower rather quickly after BAM binding Sorry, I didn't understand what you meant by this 1 hour ago, Frustration said: That assumes the premise that they all could, Bondsmiths started to lose restrictions at that time, why not other orders? Isn't the op's theory that any uncorrupted truthwatcher has futuresight? If instead, the loss of restrictions by honor was the reason they have futusight, I can see that happening. But wouldn't it be impossible for the shards to know their future at all? Because, here's the thing, futuresight is powerful. Renarin is a thorn on the diagram's and odium's side by just being there. Not even actively doing anything. If every truthwatcher in the back half has futuresight, it would be waay too much power for that particular order to have. It isn't comparable to a bondsmith unchained. Also doesn't explain the gem archive radiant's secrecy at all
Frustration Posted November 4, 2021 Posted November 4, 2021 8 minutes ago, KaladinWorldsinger said: I feel like the radiant in the gem archive is clearly being secretive because he has futuresight because his spren was enlightened. No other reading is jumping out at me. If you are the only one seeing the future, and everyone else says it's evil why would you not hide it? 9 minutes ago, KaladinWorldsinger said: Sorry, I didn't understand what you meant by this BAM was attacking Feverstone keep We know the Radiants broke their oaths after that, but still at Feverstone, ergo it was all in a space of a few days at most. 10 minutes ago, KaladinWorldsinger said: Isn't the op's theory that any uncorrupted truthwatcher has futuresight? If instead, the loss of restrictions by honor was the reason they have futusight, I can see that happening. But wouldn't it be impossible for the shards to know their future at all? Because, here's the thing, futuresight is powerful. Renarin is a thorn on the diagram's and odium's side by just being there. Not even actively doing anything. If every truthwatcher in the back half has futuresight, it would be waay too much power for that particular order to have. It isn't comparable to a bondsmith unchained. Actually Bondsmiths are way more powerful, they have basically unlimited mind control that works on anyone sub-shard, even being able to overcome investiture resitance.
Letryx13 Posted November 5, 2021 Posted November 5, 2021 I was listening to Oathkeeper today, and I got to the flashback chapter where Yasnah reads the Way of Kings to Dalinar. In the prologue, Nohadon explains how someone claimed to see the future, and he responded by asking if the other person had been touched by the void. Nohadon was before the orders were founded, but this suggests that Odium granted the power to see the future to people in the past, if only through the unmade, and that people feared seeing the future even then. So if ancient TruthWatchers could see the future, it's not hard to imagine they'd keep it quiet. 1
Frustration Posted November 23, 2021 Posted November 23, 2021 (edited) The Truthwatcher during the Recreance was a standard Truthwatcher Edited November 23, 2021 by Frustration 2
Cocoa he/him Posted November 23, 2021 Author Posted November 23, 2021 3 hours ago, Frustration said: The Truthwatcher during the Recreance was a standard Truthwatcher Fantastic. So either 'I foresaw this' was meant in a more mundane sense, with the Truthwatcher having pieced together it would happen, or else...
drunkenbotanist Posted December 5, 2021 Posted December 5, 2021 On 11/4/2021 at 4:05 PM, KaladinWorldsinger said: I feel like the radiant in the gem archive is clearly being secretive because he has futuresight because his spren was enlightened. No other reading is jumping out at me. The radiant foresaw thie abandonment of Urithiru. They might actually be a new recruit. A spren can totally choose to be 'enlightened' during the war effect if it wants to. We saw it with glys in the present. We know mistsren are most open to this. It's definitely pospsible one of them chose to be enlightened back in the day. Sorry, I didn't understand what you meant by this Isn't the op's theory that any uncorrupted truthwatcher has futuresight? If instead, the loss of restrictions by honor was the reason they have futusight, I can see that happening. But wouldn't it be impossible for the shards to know their future at all? Because, here's the thing, futuresight is powerful. Renarin is a thorn on the diagram's and odium's side by just being there. Not even actively doing anything. If every truthwatcher in the back half has futuresight, it would be waay too much power for that particular order to have. It isn't comparable to a bondsmith unchained. Also doesn't explain the gem archive radiant's secrecy at all Could it be that only 4th/5th ideal normal truth watchers have access to futuresight, but for renarin this is inverted? Just thinking about Shallan struggling with soulcasting, jasnah with elsecalling, szeth is told by Nale that he won't be taught division until 3rd ideal, there are definitely patterns to when certain knights progress in their use of surges
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