Frustration Posted October 13, 2021 Posted October 13, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, StanLemon said: All true, but it would be a pointless deception. The only character who from Jasnah's pov could have questioned why a gem didn't break would be Taravangian, who at the time she didn't consider particularly bright. A much simpler deception that still would have made sense is to Soulcast the stone and say that it was fortunate the stress didn't break her gemstone There were Ardents there if I recall correctly. Edited October 13, 2021 by Frustration
NameIess Posted October 13, 2021 Posted October 13, 2021 1 minute ago, StanLemon said: All true, but it would be a pointless deception. The only character who from Jasnah's pov could have questioned why a gem didn't break would be Taravangian, who at the time she didn't consider particularly bright. A much simpler deception that still would have made sense is to Soulcast the stone and say that it was fortunate the stress didn't break her gemstone Actually, I don't think Jasnah lost a gemstone soulcasting the stone. Even so, there were servants around, and if someone observant (Such as the ghostbloods) were to interview people who had seen Jasnah soulcast, they might notice that she never or almost never broke gemstones. 3 minutes ago, Frustration said: There were Ardents there if I recall correctly. I checked the book and I don't believe there are any, although there were lighteyed servants.
StanLemon Posted October 13, 2021 Posted October 13, 2021 Not to completely derail things but I noticed this line while looking for quotes. Foreshadowing for Pure Tones maybe? Quote And then briefly, Shallan heard a sound. A low thrumming, like a distant group of voices, humming together a single, pure note.
NameIess Posted October 13, 2021 Posted October 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, StanLemon said: Not to completely derail things but I noticed this line while looking for quotes. Foreshadowing for Pure Tones maybe? Yeah. That and humming helping you soulcast. I would guess that humming Honor or Cultivation's tone would help. (Imagine what could happen with Ruin's tone)
Arod Posted October 13, 2021 Author Posted October 13, 2021 (edited) I've been digging trying to keep up with all of this intriguing discussion, and found that one of my original conclusions may have been incorrect. This WoB seems to indicate that the type of gemstone is indeed important, though it IS old - https://wob.coppermind.net/events/149-rithmatist-albuquerque-signing/#e2784 Now I'm wondering if I got the wrong impression from the rampant Transformation happening at the end of OB and during Jasnah's wild run in RoW. That is, during the Battle of Thaylen Field, it seems that the Perpendicularity may have made for the ease of Transformation rather than the abundance of random light from scattered spheres/gemstones. Edited October 13, 2021 by Arod
Frustration Posted October 13, 2021 Posted October 13, 2021 6 minutes ago, Arod said: This WoB seems to indicate that the type of gemstone is indeed important, though it IS old - https://wob.coppermind.net/events/149-rithmatist-albuquerque-signing/#e2784 It's more inportant for Fabrial soulcasters, Radiants would only notice a small diference, when using different gems.
mathiau he/him Posted October 14, 2021 Posted October 14, 2021 5 hours ago, StanLemon said: Not to completely derail things but I noticed this line while looking for quotes. Foreshadowing for Pure Tones maybe? Maybe it's the the Pulse of Soulcasting?
+Invocation Posted October 14, 2021 Posted October 14, 2021 4 hours ago, Frustration said: It's more inportant for Fabrial soulcasters, Radiants would only notice a small diference, when using different gems. Still can't believe Lopen can taste the difference. Hilarious.
LewsTherinTelescope Posted October 30, 2021 Posted October 30, 2021 On 10/13/2021 at 8:10 PM, mathiau said: Maybe it's the the Pulse of Soulcasting? Some interesting relevant phrasing from the Stoneshaping AA entry: Quote Stone seems to be uniformly willing to obey the commands of a Surgebinder attuned to Cohesion. This is curious, as stone is often among the most difficult of materials to work with in Soulcasting—even more difficult than living beings, depending on those beings’ emotional, mental, and spiritual states. Sorta reminds me of the explanation Raboniel gives for why Lights respond to tones: Quote “I have heard,” Raboniel said, “that the Lights respond to sound because it is reminiscent of the voice of the Shards commanding them to obey.”
Tglassy Posted October 31, 2021 Posted October 31, 2021 Personally, I think Soulcasting DOES require certain gemstones. When Shallan soulcast the Goblet into blood, she'd had a Garnet with her. She didn't try to soulcast it into anything. She certainly wasn't thinking about Blood. But it said "I will change", and then turned into blood. Why? Because the only gemstone Shallan had at the time was a Garnet. Jasnah asked for a Garnet when soulcasting Shallan's blood. Maybe it's possible to just use whatever Stormlight you have, or to draw it into yourself first and then use it. But I think using the right FLAVOR of gemstone will just make it easier. Less resistance. So Jasnah wanted a Garnet, because she doesn't do Blood or organic things very well. She wanted the help. When Shallan tried to soulcast the Stick into Fire, I think she just didn't have the right gemstones, and not enough experience to get around that problem.
Frustration Posted October 31, 2021 Posted October 31, 2021 12 minutes ago, Tglassy said: Personally, I think Soulcasting DOES require certain gemstones. When Shallan soulcast the Goblet into blood, she'd had a Garnet with her. She didn't try to soulcast it into anything. She certainly wasn't thinking about Blood. But it said "I will change", and then turned into blood. Why? Because the only gemstone Shallan had at the time was a Garnet. While it might have minor differences, for a Radiant it wouldn't matter Spoiler The Forumlurker (paraphrased) If a Radiant tried to Soulcast directly with the Stormlight from the highstorm, what essences could they create? Brandon Sanderson (paraphrased) They could basically do whatever they want. There wouldn't be any limitations, but only for Radiant Soulcasters. Stuttgart signing (May 17, 2019) 19 minutes ago, Tglassy said: Jasnah asked for a Garnet when soulcasting Shallan's blood. Maybe it's possible to just use whatever Stormlight you have, or to draw it into yourself first and then use it. But I think using the right FLAVOR of gemstone will just make it easier. Less resistance. So Jasnah wanted a Garnet, because she doesn't do Blood or organic things very well. She wanted the help. Blood is one of the essences so she wouldn't need the help, she just wanted to continue her sharade.
Arod Posted November 1, 2021 Author Posted November 1, 2021 I tend to agree that the garnet was only for show. I don't think we've seen evidence of specific gemstones being used (not just requested) for the surge of Transformation when being performed by a Radiant.
NameIess Posted November 23, 2021 Posted November 23, 2021 Looks like we have confirmation that drawing stormlight out of a gemstone too quickly will break it: Quote Hut on a Hill One last question, why do gems crack when Stormlight is drawn out of them quickly? Brandon Sanderson When the Stormlight is coming out--you'll notice that there's the slightest physical presence of lots of spren, seons. A lot of this Investiture does have a physical side to it you can feel and that much Stormlight coming through... like when it's leaking out, it is generally going through micro cracks in the structure--where the crystal lattice didn't line up or flaws in the structure--and it coming out quickly like that, it's like hitting it with a hammer from inside along those fault lines. Much less likely to happen based on how good your gemstone is. YouTube Live Fan Mail Opening 1 (Oct. 30, 2021) 1
Frustration Posted November 23, 2021 Posted November 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Nameless said: Looks like we have confirmation that drawing stormlight out of a gemstone too quickly will break it: Hm, it would seem you were right. I concede, you win.
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