Szeth Pancakes he/they Posted April 28, 2021 Posted April 28, 2021 28 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: +Ash I think too but I forgot to quote Anyway- lotta people jumping on this. I'm leaning towards Illwei's statement that there's a whole lot of attention here really fast and that probably means Araris is village :P. I still don't understand how his first post was any different from any of his first posts ever but idk Also not a fan of the Dannex train. I see no basis and they die early a lot. Meta reasoning isn't the best idea in this case I think :P. But I also don't like Dannex's retaliation vote, so that's a fun little circle. Did you say reasoning? I was thinking that I didn't like Szeth right now, but rereading I just don't like this: Because there is pretty much zero reasoning. But everything else they've said seems fine to me. I remembered Archer saying something about meta reasoning with Dannex in one of his huge posts, so I was assuming Illwei had based their vote off of that.
Mat he/him Posted April 28, 2021 Posted April 28, 2021 Just now, Szeth_Pancakes said: I remembered Archer saying something about meta reasoning with Dannex in one of his huge posts, so I was assuming Illwei had based their vote off of that. Well, Archer is currently voting Illwei for said meta reasoning :P.
Szeth Pancakes he/they Posted April 28, 2021 Posted April 28, 2021 Also, @Ashbringer I have exactly zero experience with forum mafia games. This is my first one. I’ve played a few games of in-person mafia, and have spent a lot of time on Among Us servers (Among Us is basically mafia, but you, like, walk around.)
Jondesu he/him Posted April 28, 2021 Posted April 28, 2021 (edited) Wow, I’m sick for a day, and come back to find day one has 105 posts? Yikes. I’ll try to catch up and post more, and make a vote. I don’t want to throw out even a poke vote without reading the thread, though of course I don’t want miss it either. I’ll be reading for a bit on my phone I guess, can’t sit at my computer for now. Not planning any elaborate strategy this game so far. I might hand out suggestions or info about me in PMs, once I’ve decided who is somewhat trustworthy, but I don’t plan on sharing anything about myself or any abilities I have (if any) via the thread, at least not until maybe very late if it’s helpful then. If I learn info about others, I will of course make the decision then about whether it’s good info to share or not. Edit to avoid double posting: @Matrim's Dice, I’m here, I’m not a good vote target, and while I appreciate a good poke vote, perhaps you can move it elsewhere now? As for my own vote, that quick vote with seemingly good at first glance but then questionable reasoning by Quinn makes me wonder. This is only a first vote and not thoroughly thought through (Holy Alliteration, Batman!) so don’t be offended, but it’s also the best I’ve got so far (I’ve read the whole thread now but haven’t really done a ton of analysis, just going by gut for now). 1 hour ago, Ashbringer said: Jondesu: A returning player, medium-low activity but if they scare Araris, they scare me. Also, this pleases me. (Sorry about now double-posting, but on mobile I can’t put this into an edited post that I know of.) Edited April 28, 2021 by Jondesu 1
Mat he/him Posted April 28, 2021 Posted April 28, 2021 15 minutes ago, Jondesu said: @Matrim's Dice, I’m here, I’m not a good vote target, and while I appreciate a good poke vote, perhaps you can move it elsewhere now? Sure thing, Jondesu. Dannex's Illwei vote/switch off as soon as it was mentioned doesn't sit right with me. Huge asterisk that this has about a zero percent chance of sticking because of how much Dannex dies early and how little he's done but that's my thoughts right now :P.
vonnegut she/her Posted April 28, 2021 Posted April 28, 2021 5 hours ago, Illwei said: Anyways Time for me to start Illwei's Foolproof Elim Finding Methods @vonnegut If you were about to play a game of badminton against @Szeth_Pancakes, who from this playerlist would you pick? Dont overthink it :P. Szeth same question at you, but reversed :P. Umm. You? You seem to have it together. Hello everyone. I'm going to act really hard like I know what is going on, but right now just trying to catch up in this thread. I've played Mafia before on another forum, but it was a lot less complicated (none of the extra roles, abilities, items) AND it was like... 10 years ago... and I'm suddenly questioning myself really hard for throwing myself into this. Let me know if I'm screwing up... And if I can ask this-- what are the things you *can't* do/say? When I played before, any communication outside of the thread was absolutely forbidden unless you were Mafia, so PMs being allowed is throwing me for a loop. You can't say any information from your role PM that the game-runner sends, right? I'll be back later this evening and will try to finish reading and make a vote. In the meantime, since I don't know any of you... if you played Mafia in the past, and were assigned a "Mafia"/Bad-Guy role, what mistakes did you make that led to you being found out? How are your actions as Mafia different from your actions as Town?
Mat he/him Posted April 28, 2021 Posted April 28, 2021 7 minutes ago, vonnegut said: Hello everyone. I'm going to act really hard like I know what is going on, but right now just trying to catch up in this thread. Hello! 7 minutes ago, vonnegut said: And if I can ask this-- what are the things you *can't* do/say? When I played before, any communication outside of the thread was absolutely forbidden unless you were Mafia, so PMs being allowed is throwing me for a loop. You can't say any information from your role PM that the game-runner sends, right? I mean, you can say whatever you want But yeah, no direct quoting from PMs in general, anywhere. You're also not supposed to talk about the game outside of the controlled PMs with the people running it (and the thread). 9 minutes ago, vonnegut said: In the meantime, since I don't know any of you... if you played Mafia in the past, and were assigned a "Mafia"/Bad-Guy role, what mistakes did you make that led to you being found out? How are your actions as Mafia different from your actions as Town? ...Why do you ask? Just conversation? I'd like to think I'm the same in both alignments This one game I was outed, but claimed a village role in a super complex lie that fell apart. But I almost got away with it. Another time my teammates were scanned submitting the kills and I had linked myself to them. Uhhh I think the other games I was evil it went alright.
Illwei Posted April 28, 2021 Posted April 28, 2021 5 minutes ago, vonnegut said: In the meantime, since I don't know any of you... if you played Mafia in the past, and were assigned a "Mafia"/Bad-Guy role, what mistakes did you make that led to you being found out? How are your actions as Mafia different from your actions as Town? Self-meta engage! 1. I know nothing about playing badminton and the lack of other teammates is saddening. We lost against Szeth's team :pensive: 2. Where did you play? I mean, good chance i wont know it, but- yes our games tend to be mech heavy. And the Elims have a google doc they use to communicate, but in this game you are allowed to PM other people outside of the thread, as per the rules in the OP. 3. Mistakes mistakes...where do i start. Idk man, so many? :P. My pushes as an Elim are flimsy at best and i back off too easily. (Ofc, ...i might do the same as town??) If im pushing hard as an elim then its a safe bet that theyre my teammate :P. Otherwise its generally hard to say for me, im not so self aware in retrospect (...if that sentence makes sense...) i dont think :P. Though, now that i think about it, i definitely am, but also not. So im not going to ramble...too late. But yeah idk. Someone else answer for me idk. I like to think im not a busser as an elim. Uhhhhhhh idk man. Im usually more in PMs as village, or more just...doing random things. Because self awareness or whatnot. Idk.
Quintessential she/her Posted April 28, 2021 Posted April 28, 2021 (edited) 20 minutes ago, vonnegut said: And if I can ask this-- what are the things you *can't* do/say? When I played before, any communication outside of the thread was absolutely forbidden unless you were Mafia, so PMs being allowed is throwing me for a loop. You can't say any information from your role PM that the game-runner sends, right? You can't communicate with other living players except in official PMs that include the GM (game master), co-GM, and IM (impartial moderator). For reference, they are @Elandera, @The Unknown Order, and @Devotary of Spontaneity respectively. You can't directly quote from any PMs, and if you're in the elim doc you can't directly quote from that either. However, you can paraphrase what someone said to you in a PM, and you're allowed to reveal the role that the GM gave you, just so long as you don't give the exact phrasing used. 20 minutes ago, vonnegut said: In the meantime, since I don't know any of you... if you played Mafia in the past, and were assigned a "Mafia"/Bad-Guy role, what mistakes did you make that led to you being found out? How are your actions as Mafia different from your actions as Town? In my third game as elim (our word for mafia/scum), I tried to save our vote-manipper by directing the vote onto another teammate of mine, who was vanilla and the only other person under suspicion at the time. Unfortunately, the vote-manipper got voted off the next turn, at which point it became pretty clear to everyone that I was an elim and had tried to save a teammate with a role in favor of a teammate without one. We still won that game, though. In my second game as elim, I got voted off during the first Day for... no apparent reason. I would have survived, but my teammates had already interfered enough to tie themselves permanently to me and they couldn't risk doing so anymore. After I died, it led to a domino-chain of my other teammates being found. We lost that game. In my fourth and most recent game as elim (by recent I mean seven games ago : P), my teammates and I tied ourselves together too strongly--partly out of necessity because one of us was the main exe target during the first cycle. I died C3 because people began to suspect me for tunneling so hard on Dannex (which I'd been doing to try to redirect attention off of the teammate who'd been the main exe target C1 but survived due to her role), and then backing off suddenly. We actually could have won that game, but the last elim standing decided to gamethrow (edit: to be clear, not a thing that's generally acceptable in SE, and it wasn't in that game either. But it happened, and we lost because of it :P). Edited April 28, 2021 by Quintessential
Ashbringer he/him Posted April 28, 2021 Posted April 28, 2021 39 minutes ago, Quintessential said: Ignore the bit about me and PMs--I did the PM spidering thing once, tried to do it a couple more times, and honestly it's exhausting. If you PM me this game, I'll respond, but don't expect me to start PMs with you, and I'm not roleclaiming, period. Not after what happened in LG74. No thank you. I would say that at this point I play almost entirely in-thread. I do a lot of short posts but will also put together monstrous analysis posts on occasion, usually around C3, with mixed results (from "guessing the entire elim team" to "literally none of the people I'm sus of are actually elim"). I keep track of votes especially, and base a lot of my analysis off of them, so if you need a VC, the quickest way to get one is to @ me ... I'm not sure to edit this in or just say *doubt* 27 minutes ago, Szeth_Pancakes said: Also, @Ashbringer I have exactly zero experience with forum mafia games. This is my first one. I’ve played a few games of in-person mafia, and have spent a lot of time on Among Us servers (Among Us is basically mafia, but you, like, walk around.) I didn't say forum Mafia... Er, noted Among Us is fairly similar, it's just you don't end up with surprise meetings and there's roles. 10 minutes ago, vonnegut said: Umm. You? You seem to have it together. Hello everyone. I'm going to act really hard like I know what is going on, but right now just trying to catch up in this thread. I've played Mafia before on another forum, but it was a lot less complicated (none of the extra roles, abilities, items) AND it was like... 10 years ago... and I'm suddenly questioning myself really hard for throwing myself into this. Let me know if I'm screwing up... And if I can ask this-- what are the things you *can't* do/say? When I played before, any communication outside of the thread was absolutely forbidden unless you were Mafia, so PMs being allowed is throwing me for a loop. You can't say any information from your role PM that the game-runner sends, right? I'll be back later this evening and will try to finish reading and make a vote. In the meantime, since I don't know any of you... if you played Mafia in the past, and were assigned a "Mafia"/Bad-Guy role, what mistakes did you make that led to you being found out? How are your actions as Mafia different from your actions as Town? You'll do fine many first games are a swarm of chaos for people. (Right, Mat?) I think the only thing you can't say (other than things you can't say on the forum in general, ie swears, being mean, etc) is you can't quote from PMs (or Google Docs, if you have one - Elims have one to communicate faster than PMs and sometimes they show up in other places), including your Game Master PM. You can say the information that's contained in there, but you can't say exact quotes / copy-pastes. Also, if there's an out-of-game thing you need to talk about you can use blue text. Usually that's just to say "I'm going to be inactive / non active for X reason" and not have people wondering if you're telling the truth or whether you're lying to get out of making a statement. Other than that, don't talk about the game with players out of the thread / Docs / PMs when they're open. (Talking with dead players is a bit gray, but especially not living ones.) Generally I make more mistakes as a Villager/Good Guy then a Mafia/Bad Guy I don't really know what my tells are, as I... tend to not get suspect until I get very suspect.
Quintessential she/her Posted April 28, 2021 Posted April 28, 2021 1 minute ago, Ashbringer said: Generally I make more mistakes as a Villager/Good Guy then a Mafia/Bad Guy I don't really know what my tells are, as I... tend to not get suspect until I get very suspect. No, no, it's even worse than that: you tend not to get suspected until you're mechanically confirmed as the person who submitted the kill
Araris Valerian he/him Posted April 28, 2021 Posted April 28, 2021 18 minutes ago, vonnegut said: In the meantime, since I don't know any of you... if you played Mafia in the past, and were assigned a "Mafia"/Bad-Guy role, what mistakes did you make that led to you being found out? How are your actions as Mafia different from your actions as Town? Elim!me tends to be better at finding elims (I'm working on changing this from both ends), is generally more self-consistent, and probably gets more annoyed at being voted on for bad reasons. Or maybe is more annoyed by flawed arguments in general. I haven't lost an elim game for quite some time now (SE meta right now is skewed a bit towards elims, partly because of activity issues). The game that comes to mind involved basically my entire team getting scanned as having used the elim kill. Because for some reason we decided moving the kill between players made sense. I will say that regardless of my alignment I tend to hover in a vague grey area of suspicion for most the the game prior to my impending and often violent death.
Ashbringer he/him Posted April 28, 2021 Posted April 28, 2021 4 minutes ago, Quintessential said: No, no, it's even worse than that: you tend not to get suspected until you're mechanically confirmed as the person who submitted the kill ... pretty much this think that's happened 1.5 times so far (because AGcide was weird) I'm good at getting small suspicions off me, I guess. Until they become big suspicions and then it's a lot harder, and I just start writing death RP and go with it.
Illwei Posted April 28, 2021 Posted April 28, 2021 21 minutes ago, Ashbringer said: Generally I make more mistakes as a Villager/Good Guy then a Mafia/Bad Guy I don't really know what my tells are, as I... tend to not get suspect until I get very suspect. *ahem* and I quote "oops...looks like I forgot to follow the thread...again..." 1
Azmine_king Posted April 28, 2021 Posted April 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Matrim's Dice said: +Ash I think too but I forgot to quote Anyway- lotta people jumping on this. I'm leaning towards Illwei's statement that there's a whole lot of attention here really fast and that probably means Araris is village :P. I still don't understand how his first post was any different from any of his first posts ever but idk Also not a fan of the Dannex train. I see no basis and they die early a lot. Meta reasoning isn't the best idea in this case I think :P. But I also don't like Dannex's retaliation vote, so that's a fun little circle. Did you say reasoning? I was thinking that I didn't like Szeth right now, but rereading I just don't like this: Because there is pretty much zero reasoning. But everything else they've said seems fine to me. I wasn't quite saying I agree with it, I was just letting them know, haven't read up, I'll be back eventually just wanted to pop in
Illwei Posted April 28, 2021 Posted April 28, 2021 (edited) Also If we're talking specific mistakes, uhhhhh MR48? I think was- have I gotten voted off as an Elim besides that game? because that also wasn't a me problem, it was a...There are legit three people talking and voting and so the other two actives decided to vote off the third active... AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANYWAYS. (sure, Quinn, Argue you caught me there, but I wouldn't have died had the other... *thinks* like 8 people playing the game actually voted :P.) I'm generally suspected as both alignments very often, honestly moreso as village, and I do think it's because what I said earlier about being more erratic and...random? or...well, seeming so. I don't explain what I do well, if at all, and I'm just going to say that it's intentional :P. (no, most of it is intentional. Yes, perhaps a *bad* strategy, but it's *a* strategy. What's that? has it worked yet? well...no...) I guess you could say that my number one mistake is not reading my GMPM correctly... ;ph34r: Edited April 28, 2021 by Illwei being back on computer is so relieving! ahhH!hhHH!HHH!HH!!
Mat he/him Posted April 28, 2021 Posted April 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, Illwei said: (sure, Quinn, Argue you caught me there, but I wouldn't have died had the other... *thinks* like 8 people playing the game actually voted :P.) I'd argue that I caught you there and Quinn listened to me But yeah the rest of the game being inactive helped with that quite a bit :P. We still lost though.
Quintessential she/her Posted April 28, 2021 Posted April 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, Matrim's Dice said: I'd argue that I caught you there and Quinn listened to me But yeah the rest of the game being inactive helped with that quite a bit :P. We still lost though. You had a gut read. I was the one who found evidence(ish) to substantiate it.
Illwei Posted April 28, 2021 Posted April 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Ashbringer said: most skilled/dangerous player in PMs someone give me a better title so I can stop with this rep :pensive: I never get a lot of roleclaims, I just make educated guesses ;-; please talk with me ;-; 1 hour ago, Ashbringer said: Tends to end up in the Thunderdome with Quinn/Araris/others aha! false! I only thunderdome with Quinn, on occasion. Never been up against Araris I don't think? 1 hour ago, Ashbringer said: Not very serious except about roleclaims I mean, Define serious. :P. I can get serious ;-;. You forgot to put in there my D1 voting habits ;). 1 minute ago, Matrim's Dice said: I'd argue that I caught you there and Quinn listened to me But yeah the rest of the game being inactive helped with that quite a bit :P. We still lost though. I don't die often as Elim, but when I do, I make sure I distance enough for it to be worthwhile :P. Just now, Quintessential said: You had a gut read. I was the one who found evidence(ish) to substantiate it. you can find evidence for anything if you try hard enough :P. but again. :). the challenge shoulda been having to convince the rest of the people that I was evil. Alas. there were no "rest of the people" :(.
Quintessential she/her Posted April 28, 2021 Posted April 28, 2021 1 minute ago, Illwei said: I don't die often as Elim, but when I do, I make sure I distance enough for it to be worthwhile :P. except that I guessed the rest of your team by assuming you were elim, so clearly you didn't distance all that well... 1 minute ago, Illwei said: you can find evidence for anything if you try hard enough :P. but again. :). the challenge shoulda been having to convince the rest of the people that I was evil. Alas. there were no "rest of the people" :(. I convinced Liranil! That counts, right?
Illwei Posted April 28, 2021 Posted April 28, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Quintessential said: except that I guessed the rest of your team by assuming you were elim, so clearly you didn't distance all that well... You guessed the rest of my team by assuming things about voting, not related to me, yeah part of it was you assuming I was an Elim, but the same thing would have applied had you assumed I was village and someone else elim who was on the same train as me. Unlike my QF50 analysis. Edited April 28, 2021 by Illwei
Ashbringer he/him Posted April 28, 2021 Posted April 28, 2021 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Illwei said: *ahem* and I quote "oops...looks like I forgot to follow the thread...again..." ... ouch. But, I'm rather cursed to be very inactive as an Elim... usually for legitimate reasons. Although maybe because Elim!Me doesn't like to be as quippish. Still trying to figure that out. 7 minutes ago, Illwei said: aha! false! I only thunderdome with Quinn, on occasion. Never been up against Araris I don't think? Technically I was referring to me with that "others"... good old Shadowblaze game Edited April 28, 2021 by Ashbringer
Quintessential she/her Posted April 28, 2021 Posted April 28, 2021 Just now, Ashbringer said: But, I'm rather cursed to be very inactive as an Elim... usually for legitimate reasons. Although maybe because Elim!Me doesn't like to be as quippish. Still trying to figure that out. v!you is quippish? Huh, I hadn't noticed. Which probably means you're elim this game, right? Wait what does quippish even mean?
Ashbringer he/him Posted April 28, 2021 Posted April 28, 2021 ... a lot of small random posts with little meaning besides jokes or communication because I have the time to make them. Like what you do!
Illwei Posted April 28, 2021 Posted April 28, 2021 Just now, Ashbringer said: ... a lot of small random posts with little meaning besides jokes or communication because I have the time to make them. This is why I always try to insert something useful into every meaningless sentence I post. Did you know that no number from 1 to 999 includes the letter "a" in its word form?
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