Journey to the Cosmere

[Kingsdaughter613 she/her]

17 minutes ago, Tani said:

 

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There’s no WoB, but we’ve seen how they work in the book. It’s a distinct thing which is tapped, but it automatically returns to the medallion. I suspect it has to do with Connection and whatever allows anyone to tap it in the first place. So unless YOU have evidence otherwise, we’re going with what the books showed us.

You can compound your own stores to make yourself more powerful if you’d like. But no messing with medallion tech until we know more about it.

Also, if you start causing trouble like that Kelsier will kill you. Very literally.

 

[Quivil]

1 minute ago, Kingsdaughter613 said:

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There’s no WoB, but we’ve seen how they work in the book. It’s a distinct thing which is tapped, but it automatically returns to the medallion. I suspect it has to do with Connection and whatever allows anyone to tap it in the first place. So unless YOU have evidence otherwise, we’re going with what the books showed us.

You can compound your own stores to make yourself more powerful if you’d like. But no messing with medallion tech until we know more about it.

Also, if you start causing trouble like that Kelsier will kill you. Very literally.

 

 

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1. No nicrosil compounders in the book

2. I didn't see that in the book, please give me pages/passages that prove your point.

3. How is getting H-nic-f-iron causing trouble?

 

[Kingsdaughter613 she/her]

9 minutes ago, Tani said:

 

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No one retains the abilities gained by the medallions. The reason is unknown, but there’s no indication that you can transfer that Investiture elsewhere which is what you are doing.

And it’s trouble because I say it is. Kell is my character. He invented the medallions, so I’m claiming it doesn’t work on his behalf. You can decide how technology YOUR character created works.

 

[Quivil]

30 minutes ago, Kingsdaughter613 said:

No one retains the abilities gained by the medallions. The reason is unknown, but there’s no indication that you can transfer that Investiture elsewhere which is what you are doing.

And it’s trouble because I say it is. Kell is my character. He invented the medallions, so I’m claiming it doesn’t work on his behalf. You can decide how technology YOUR character created works.

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1.  There aren't even any F-nicrosils mentioned in that book. Of course there's no indication of transfer.

2. Aww, sad. Why? She's putting it back...

Honestly tho, why's it bad that she wants to collect more powers without more spikes? She's already controllable by a duralumined Soother(and therefore easily controllable by Kelsier and controllable\influenceable on a whim by Sazed), so...

 

Edited May 3, 2021 by Tani

[Kingsdaughter613 she/her]

6 minutes ago, Tani said:

 

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Because I don’t want that capability in medallion tech and I don’t think Kell would want it either. It’s too easily exploitable and could enable the creation of someone as powerful as he is. Which is why he’d kill Rylia if she discovered a loophole enabling that that he hadn’t considered.

But I think he DID consider the possibility. And he invented the medallions, so that loophole doesn’t work.

Note that it did not appear to work with the BoM which granted the ability to use Nicrosil.

 

[Trutharchivist he/him]

1 hour ago, Kingsdaughter613 said:

“It allows you to store your weight,” Kelsier explained. “We’ll need you to that once we start flying.”

Hoblim took a medallion and climbed aboard, shaking his head. Of course Kelsier won't tell them where they're going. That should've been obvious. And now they are completely in his power. Wonderful.

He went to Trésor. "So, shall we go on with my training?"

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I'm going to assume Hoblim already started training under Trésor using copper.

 

[Quivil]

1 minute ago, Kingsdaughter613 said:

Because I don’t want that capability in medallion tech and I don’t think Kell would want it either. It’s too easily exploitable and could enable the creation of someone as powerful as he is. Which is why he’d kill Rylia if she discovered a loophole enabling that that he hadn’t considered.

But I think he DID consider the possibility. And he invented the medallions, so that loophole doesn’t work.

Note that it did not appear to work with the BoM which granted the ability to use Nicrosil.

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Did anyone try that with the BoM? Why would they, since they already had everything there in the BoM? Also, everyone was kind of in a really intense situation at that point and Wax and Marasi agreed that they didn't want the responsibility of the BoM, so why would they want something similar?

 

[Kingsdaughter613 she/her]

2 minutes ago, Trutharchivist said:

Hoblim took a medallion and climbed aboard, shaking his head. Of course Kelsier won't tell them where they're going. That should've been obvious. And now they are completely in his power. Wonderful.

He went to Trésor. "So, shall we go on with my training?"

 

She nodded. “Try storing the sensations as we pass through the city. Sight and sound, but also smell and taste. Try to avoid storing memories of touch.”

Just now, Tani said:

 

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It doesn’t matter. Kelsier would not allow that loophole to exist. It’s my character’s technology so I’m deciding how it works based on how he would have designed it.

 

[Quivil]

Just now, Kingsdaughter613 said:

It doesn’t matter. Kelsier would not allow that loophole to exist. It’s my character’s technology so I’m deciding how it works based on how he would have designed it.

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You can't just change how the magic system works, no matter who your character is. Brandon was Kelsier first.

Fine, Rylia won't do it, I'll pretend like she wouldn't know that's an option, but it IS an option.

 

[Kingsdaughter613 she/her]

2 minutes ago, Tani said:

 

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YOU are inventing a part of the technology that doesn’t exist. Whatever you are tapping returns to the medallion automatically. We’ve seen this. There is no indication that you can move the Nicrosil store to another metalmind. Which you would have to ingest to compound anyway. THAT is what I am objecting to.

The Nicrosil store can’t be moved to another Nicrosil mind unless you can find proof that it can be. Everything we’ve seen (which isn’t much, admittedly) indicates that the Nicrosil Investiture is somehow tied to the metalmind. Until you find me that proof that you can move that store, Kelsier created the medallions in such a way that you can’t.

 

[Quivil]

9 minutes ago, Kingsdaughter613 said:

YOU are inventing a part of the technology that doesn’t exist. [1] Whatever you are tapping returns to the medallion automatically. We’ve seen this. [2] There is no indication that you can move the Nicrosil store to another metalmind. [3] Which you would have to ingest to compound anyway. THAT is what I am objecting to.

[4] The Nicrosil store can’t be moved to another Nicrosil mind unless you can find proof that it can be. [5] Everything we’ve seen (which isn’t much, admittedly) indicates that the Nicrosil Investiture is somehow tied to the metalmind. Until you find me that proof that you can move that store, [6] Kelsier created the medallions in such a way that you can’t.

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[1] I didn't see that, where is it? [2] How do you think Hundredlives' compounding worked? [3] You did say she would get more exotic metals in Elendel, and we were just in Elendel. Also, do I have to say everything my character does? You don't know when she swallowed it, and you can store things in metals inside you. (LordRuler did it, so did Hundredlives, and Sazed tapped from inside him.) [4] See 2. [5] See 1. [6] "Kelsier created the medallions in such a way that you can't." This implies changes in the magic system, because we haven't seen any indication of this being the case in canon.

 

[Kingsdaughter613 she/her]

1 minute ago, Tani said:

 

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Every time someone has tapped Nicrosil it automatically returned to the medallion after. Nicrosil is not a normal store; it acts like Copper. So it SHOULD permanently transfer to the person tapping. The fact that it doesn’t is because something else - we don’t know what - is going on. Since the store doesn’t permanently transfer to the tapper, it seems very unlikely that it could go to another metalmind entirely. The entire way the Nicrosil part of the medallion works is strange.

Kelsier has been with Rylia every step of the way. She had no opportunity to get more metals.

Miles had metal under his skin that he could tap. Burning metals not in the stomach takes practice and knowing it’s possible - which almost no one knows.

Seeing as Kelsier somehow managed to make the medallions not permanently grant new abilities to people - which they SHOULD do, but don’t -, I’m going with ‘what you’re trying to do won’t work because he clearly took steps to prevent it based on how the medallions work.’

You do get that Nicrosil acts like copper, right? You store Investiture and you no longer have that ability until you tap the medallion. Just like you lose a memory you store until you tap it again.

 

[Quivil]

4 hours ago, Kingsdaughter613 said:

 

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You know what it doesn't matter. I'll follow your rules here, and you're right about her not having nicrosil flakes.

 

[Goob he/him]

Woah. I start to fill iron and the sensation gives me vertigo for a moment before settling into a general feeling of uneasiness, which subsides after a couple of minutes. The feeling of weightlessness was actually quite enjoyable once you got used to it- like jumping on a trampoline or using a swing. 
After a couple more minutes, however, the novelty begins to wear off and my mind begins to wander to other topics. "Hey, uh, Kelsier, is there anything else I need to learn with brass other than... uh... excuse me, hand-to-hand combat?" I probably shouldn't of brought that up. I am not a athletic person and I internally shudder at the memory of a Taekwondo class my mother signed me up for a couple years ago.

[Trutharchivist he/him]

16 hours ago, Kingsdaughter613 said:

She nodded. “Try storing the sensations as we pass through the city. Sight and sound, but also smell and taste. Try to avoid storing memories of touch.”

 

"Sounds like learning to use tin." Mumbled Hoblim, concentrating.

Then again, he thought, it's an exercise in storing sensory memory. I guess factual memory will come later.

He started storing carefully, noting what he wanted to store. There's no use, he knew, in trying to avoid storing what you didn't want; it only brought it to the forefront of his mind and interfered with storing what he wanted. 

He tried also not to store his thoughts - mainly by storing his immediate memories. It wasn't very easy, but he managed.

[Kingsdaughter613 she/her]

6 hours ago, AmazingGoob said:

Woah. I start to fill iron and the sensation gives me vertigo for a moment before settling into a general feeling of uneasiness, which subsides after a couple of minutes. The feeling of weightlessness was actually quite enjoyable once you got used to it- like jumping on a trampoline or using a swing. 
After a couple more minutes, however, the novelty begins to wear off and my mind begins to wander to other topics. "Hey, uh, Kelsier, is there anything else I need to learn with brass other than... uh... excuse me, hand-to-hand combat?" I probably shouldn't of brought that up. I am not a athletic person and I internally shudder at the memory of a Taekwondo class my mother signed me up for a couple years ago.

 

6 hours ago, Trutharchivist said:

"Sounds like learning to use tin." Mumbled Hoblim, concentrating.

Then again, he thought, it's an exercise in storing sensory memory. I guess factual memory will come later.

He started storing carefully, noting what he wanted to store. There's no use, he knew, in trying to avoid storing what you didn't want; it only brought it to the forefront of his mind and interfered with storing what he wanted. 

He tried also not to store his thoughts - mainly by storing his immediate memories. It wasn't very easy, but he managed.

Once everyone was on board Roues set off. A hidden lock moved them into the canals and from there he made his way toward the sea.

”You can walk through fire,” Kelsier answered. “In many ways storing is more useful than tapping. I’ve used it to walk through a live volcano.”

[Random Bystander she/her]

4 hours ago, Kingsdaughter613 said:

 

Once everyone was on board Roues set off. A hidden lock moved them into the canals and from there he made his way toward the sea.

”You can walk through fire,” Kelsier answered. “In many ways storing is more useful than tapping. I’ve used it to walk through a live volcano.”

Lilliana blinked, her brain trying to properly process that information. Why am I even able to be surprised anymore? After all of the insanity that has been the past few days, I don't think I should be able to be this surprised anymore. I died! Why does the fact that he was able to walk through a volcano surprise me? She opened her book, and started reading.

[Quivil]

Rylia sits down, stores weight in the medallion, starts compounding steel to extreme levels, and opens Arcanum Unbounded.

Everyone around her slows down as she reads. She gets confused almost as soon as she starts reading, stops tapping speed, and asks Lilliana about it. She's a few pages in.

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I don't actually have a copy of Arcanum Unbounded with me (and don't own one, my sister does tho) so I'm not gonna write out the questions or use page numbers.

[Kingsdaughter613 she/her]

1 hour ago, Tani said:

Rylia sits down, stores weight in the medallion, starts compounding steel to extreme levels, and opens Arcanum Unbounded.

Everyone around her slows down as she reads. She gets confused almost as soon as she starts reading, stops tapping speed, and asks Lilliana about it. She's a few pages in.

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I think ES was the first story.

Roues maneuvered the ship easily through the canals, the allomantic motor giving them the necessary thrust. It wasn’t long before they reached the shimmering waters of the sea. Roues carefully raised their speed, sending the ship speeding across the bay.

Kelsier leaned against the rear porthole, watching Elendel recede. Soon they’d be far enough to fly.

[Random Bystander she/her]

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Yep. The first one is the Emperor's Soul.

2 hours ago, Tani said:

Rylia sits down, stores weight in the medallion, starts compounding steel to extreme levels, and opens Arcanum Unbounded.

Everyone around her slows down as she reads. She gets confused almost as soon as she starts reading, stops tapping speed, and asks Lilliana about it. She's a few pages in.

Lilliana blinked. "Huh? What?" She said, confused. She had been reading her book, and had not been paying attention to her surroundings. The only reason she noticed Rylia at all was because she had finished a chapter. She had trained herself to check her surroundings before starting a new one years ago.

[Quivil]

46 minutes ago, Random Bystander said:

Lilliana blinked. "Huh? What?" She said, confused. She had been reading her book, and had not been paying attention to her surroundings. The only reason she noticed Rylia at all was because she had finished a chapter. She had trained herself to check her surroundings before starting a new one years ago.

Rylia asks again. "What happened to Devotion and Dominion? How were they destroyed? What's Adonalsium? And what's the Cognitive Realm?"

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Emperor's Soul explains the realms so you could just say 'read that' for some of her questions.

[Kingsdaughter613 she/her]

32 minutes ago, Tani said:

Rylia asks again. "What happened to Devotion and Dominion? How were they destroyed? What's Adonalsium? And what's the Cognitive Realm?"

“Devotion and Dominion were Shards, like Harmony,” Kelsier explained. “They were destroyed by Odium -another Shard - long ago. Adonalsium was the original god-being of the Cosmere. He was broken into sixteen Shards of power, which were taken up by sixteen people.

”The Cognitive realm is the realm of the mind, of concepts and ideas. Lilli and I are Cognitive entities.”

[Quivil]

"What does that mean? The part about you and Lilliana being cognitive entities?"

[Kingsdaughter613 she/her]

1 hour ago, Tani said:

"What does that mean? The part about you and Lilliana being cognitive entities?"

“We’re sapient minds sustained with Investiture, spiked to the Physical Realm. But we aren’t naturally Connected to it; not anymore anyway.”

[Quivil]

"Say that again in a language other than High Imperial please."